We've lost the war in Afghanistan, it's time to stop the costs!

Once in Afghanistan, Bergdahl like many of our soldiers, realized that we weren't in the business of helping Afghans, we were in the business of occupying that country and slaughtering Afghans in large numbers. Bergdahl didn't "adjust" to the role of bad guy. Instead of staying on through his deployment and coming home to suck a pistol -- like thousands of his fellow dis-illusioned comrades -- he deserted and may have defected.

We're pulling out of Afghanistan and when we do, without ongoing hostilities, there is no reason to keep Afghan prisoners-of-war imprisoned indefinitely at Guantanamo. When hostilities have ceased, they're going to be released, you can bank on it. So trading away the five alleged insurgent leaders now, instead of letting them all go in the next 24 months, doesn't have much meaning, does it?

The U.S. has two choices: Stay in Afghanistan and fight the Taliban for another decade, or end this un-winnable, non-productive and costly war.

What was far more important than Bergdahl's fate in this situation, was that the U.S. was able to SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATE SOMETHING WITH THE TALIBAN!

Ending America's doomed participation in Afghanistan is far more important than the immediate fate of Bergdahl or five Afghan terrorists.

On this one, Obama is right.

Negotiating with people who won't keep their word and have been at war with us since 1979. Oh, and we won it. Ask the Taliban who slink over the border to Pakistan each winter to lick their wounds and heal up. We've been whipping their asses since Oct 2001.

We've been whipping their asses since Oct 2001.


To what end?

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Negotiating with people who won't keep their wordand have been at war with us since 1979. Oh, and we won it. Ask the Taliban who slink over the border to Pakistan each winter to lick their wounds and heal up. We've been whipping their asses since Oct 2001.

Should ask the American Indians about that they have some experience with such things...fact is we told the Russians we wouldn't stick missiles where we are sticking them right now...I guess old habits die hard.

2seaoat wrote:We've been whipping their asses since Oct 2001.


To what end?

Ask the Taliban who get their asses handed to them generally most every fire fight.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:....have been at war with us since 1979....

Rhetorical bullshit. We were not at war with anyone in 1979.

 
Iran declared war on us in 1979 when they took our embassy personnel hostage and kept them 444 days. But, really, if you think about it, we have been at war with the Muslims since the days of the Barbary Pirates when they demanded we pay tribute for our ships to sail in the Med and we told them to pee up a rope in 1801 and then again in 1815.

I'm sure you would have called Thomas Jefferson, POTUS at the time, a war monger as well, huh?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

A military superpower will always win the firefights when the opposition is some camel jockeys still living in the 6th century.
So did the Russians.

But enough of the camel jockeys know how to hide in the mountains and other really remote locales so they can live to fight another day.
The Russians learned that too.

We will keep Afghanistan under some semblance of our control as long as we are occupying the country.  Obama knows that and that's why he's announced he will keep 10,000 troops there after the war has "ended".  
But Obama and our other politicians who have any smarts also know that if the war ever does actually "end" and by that I mean we bring back ALL the troops,  that the corrupt half-assed puppet government regime in Afghanistan will not be able to keep the camel jockeys from taking over again and Afghanistan will go back to what it was in 2001 on the day before we invaded.

Because so many of us are obsessed with "winning" or "losing",  neither Obama or any other president wants to be the one who has "losing the war" happen on his watch.  So Obama will keep the troops there until he's out of office.  And if it requires more than an occupying force of 10,000,  he'll have to send more back over there.  He knows that if he does not do that he will be crucified by those who are obsessed with "winning" or "losing".
His successor, democrat or republican,  will be faced with the same clusterfuck.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Negotiating with people who won't keep their word and have been at war with us since 1979. Oh, and we won it. Ask the Taliban who slink over the border to Pakistan each winter to lick their wounds and heal up. We've been whipping their asses since Oct 2001.

We won most battles with the Vietcong also, and we lost that war too. Reality.

Face the truth Pdog -- we haven't actually won a war since WWII. The reasons may vary somewhat, but what's glaringly apparent is our military forces just haven't been able to do their job.

Just like you do, our generals gloat over winning battles and ignore losing wars.

When you are forced to give up and the other guy still maintains armed forces in the field where you used to be, it's clear THEY won.


C'mon loser, tell us how we won in Iraq and Afghanistan again ... LOL

If obama is a muslim, why is he on the side of the queers and gay marriage?
Has he invented some kind of new gay friendly muslimism? Because I don't think he's gonna get that by the ayatollah.