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26politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 3:22 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

You have made me realize that liberals are just as hard on obama as conservatives are.

Not true, and you know it. But in this climate, with the constant attacks from the right wing, and if some of these people had their way, he would have NO support at all (meaning if you swallow the lies being peddled daily on the airwaves). My criticisms of the President are about the same as Sal's, with one major addition...he should have prosecuted the previous administration, precedent be damned.

And conservatives are just as willing to be fair to obama as liberals are.

Yes, of course, they idolize the President by calling him the Messiah...and an alien hater of the USA, a closet Muslim, a commie/socialist (whatever that is), an appeaser (when it suits their narrative) and a destroyer (again, when it's politically expedient), a liar, a closet homosexual, and a whole slew of racist epithets or downright coming out and saying the "N" word, attacking his wife and even his kids, cooking up one "scandal" after another to try and discredit him, obstructing his nominees, refusing to cooperate in any way with legislation he supports...am I leaving anything out?

I'm the one who's fucked up and got it all wrong.

If you say so.

27politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 3:44 pm

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Floridatexan wrote:
Bob wrote:You see,  like most everything else in life,   it aint all black or all white.  The good lord or  the flying spaghetti monster or whoever or whatever created it all,  also created shades of gray.
And just because fox news and msnbc see it as all black or all white,  that don't make it so no matter how many people are watching them tell it that way.  Hitler once had a whole fucking country believing his bullshit.  But that alone was not enough to make bullshit take the place of reality.

Thank you....I was just about to challenge your first post...vastly oversimplified, but I see what you were doing.  

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The way I understand it you, and most of the other supposedly enlightened progressive liberals around here, can see Bob. Which means you have no idea of the entire nature of what's going on around you. As for the independent with a conservative twist, that's me darlin', you can not see because I'm a...

*****CHUCKLE*****

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28politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 3:49 pm

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ZVUGKTUBM

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29politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 3:49 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Floridatexan wrote:
he should have prosecuted the previous administration, precedent be damned.



I have no idea how he would even undertake such a thing,  but if he had attempted to do so,  that would have taken this country from an era of cold civil war to another hot one.  And in the midst of trying to recover from an historic economic recession,  that would probably have sealed the coffin on this nation for good. 

30politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 4:02 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I do see one thing you liberals and conservatives have in common.
You both are convinced that the other side has no right to even call themselves Americans.  The other side and it's ideas are not really part of your America,  more like enemies to your side and your country.

That's something we haven't seen since the Civil War.

31politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 4:17 pm

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Guest

Floridatexan wrote:My criticisms of the President are about the same as Sal's, with one major addition...he should have prosecuted the previous administration, precedent be damned...

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My response to this, countless times, has been to go  ahead and do so.

However if the previous President is acquitted because it's found that misinformation being given the White House the let the treason trials being. I want to know who was feeding misinformation into the White House and they are to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Are you ready to say the same about the current administration?

*****CHUCKLE*****

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32politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 4:20 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Bob wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
he should have prosecuted the previous administration, precedent be damned.



I have no idea how he would even undertake such a thing,  but if he had attempted to do so,  that would have taken this country from an era of cold civil war to another hot one.  And in the midst of trying to recover from an historic economic recession,  that would probably have sealed the coffin on this nation for good. 


You're probably right, but there has to be accountability. And now Richard Clarke is saying that Bush, et al should be prosecuted for war crimes. He was the counterintel leader. There are still people trying to get this heard at the Hague. And almost 13 years have passed. Instead, we focus on one soldier who (I have read) witnessed US troops intentionally running over children with a truck.

And I'm tired of the constant attacks on the President. Bill Clinton's entire 2 terms of office were essentially the same--a 24/7 witch hunt...and I'm not giving him a free pass, either...nor am I giving Obama a free pass. What I AM going to do is give him credit when he deserves it. I don't think even he realized the difficulty he was facing at the outset...no one did. How about a little credit, instead of the nonstop bashing at every single opportunity?

What happened to our national conscience? What happened to the moral and ethical principles we try to teach our kids?

33politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 4:28 pm

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Guest

Floridatexan wrote: ...What happened to our national conscience?  What happened to the moral and ethical principles we try to teach our kids?      

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Yeah right! Like you listen to others and don't turn it into a witch hunt..... However you weren't hunting a witch when you and the other supposedly enlightened progressive liberals, who now can't see me, messed with me.

*****ROFLMAO*****

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34politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 4:33 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Bob wrote:I do see one thing you liberals and conservatives have in common.
You both are convinced that the other side has no right to even call themselves Americans.  The other side and it's ideas are not really part of your America,  more like enemies to your side and your country.

That's something we haven't seen since the Civil War.

I have never said anything even approaching that, except that the traitors should be held accountable. But I do feel estranged from a certain segment of society...and I consider these people brainwashed...there's no other way to look at it...reminds me of "Bubble Boy".

35politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 4:38 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

We are becoming politically what resembles two countries.
This is not a perfect map (obviously the Florida panhandle belongs in the red country as one example) but for purposes of illustrating a point it will do. 
The reason it's shaped like this is because the map is drawn proportional to the populations of each state.


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36politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 4:44 pm

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
Bob wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
he should have prosecuted the previous administration, precedent be damned.



I have no idea how he would even undertake such a thing,  but if he had attempted to do so,  that would have taken this country from an era of cold civil war to another hot one.  And in the midst of trying to recover from an historic economic recession,  that would probably have sealed the coffin on this nation for good. 


You're probably right, but there has to be accountability.  And now Richard Clarke is saying that Bush, et al should be prosecuted for war crimes.  He was the counterintel leader.  There are still people trying to get this heard at the Hague.  And almost 13 years have passed.  Instead, we focus on one soldier who (I have read) witnessed US troops intentionally running over children with a truck.  

And I'm tired of the constant attacks on the President.  Bill Clinton's entire 2 terms of office were essentially the same--a 24/7 witch hunt...and I'm not giving him a free pass, either...nor am I giving Obama a free pass.  What I AM going to do is give him credit when he deserves it.  I don't think even he realized the difficulty he was facing at the outset...no one did.  How about a little credit, instead of the nonstop bashing at every single opportunity?  

What happened to our national conscience?  What happened to the moral and ethical principles we try to teach our kids?      
 
They went out the door when people like you painted Hitler moustaches on pictures of Bush. Clinton brought everything on himself by lying under oath and having an affair on his wife in the Oval Office of all places....of course, it must be commonplace for Democrat POTUS to have an affair on his wife (see FDR and Frances Perkins).

37politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 5:01 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PACEDOG#1 wrote:of course, it must be commonplace for Democrat POTUS to have an affair on his wife (see FDR and Frances Perkins).

But your side has proven that doesn't really make any difference.  Why?  Because your side despises Obama more than any other president even though he has a normal family life.

38politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 5:38 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Bob wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
he should have prosecuted the previous administration, precedent be damned.



I have no idea how he would even undertake such a thing,  but if he had attempted to do so,  that would have taken this country from an era of cold civil war to another hot one.  And in the midst of trying to recover from an historic economic recession,  that would probably have sealed the coffin on this nation for good. 


You're probably right, but there has to be accountability.  And now Richard Clarke is saying that Bush, et al should be prosecuted for war crimes.  He was the counterintel leader.  There are still people trying to get this heard at the Hague.  And almost 13 years have passed.  Instead, we focus on one soldier who (I have read) witnessed US troops intentionally running over children with a truck.  

And I'm tired of the constant attacks on the President.  Bill Clinton's entire 2 terms of office were essentially the same--a 24/7 witch hunt...and I'm not giving him a free pass, either...nor am I giving Obama a free pass.  What I AM going to do is give him credit when he deserves it.  I don't think even he realized the difficulty he was facing at the outset...no one did.  How about a little credit, instead of the nonstop bashing at every single opportunity?  

What happened to our national conscience?  What happened to the moral and ethical principles we try to teach our kids?      
 
They went out the door when people like you painted Hitler moustaches on pictures of Bush. Clinton brought everything on himself by lying under oath and having an affair on his wife in the Oval Office of all places....of course, it must be commonplace for Democrat POTUS to have an affair on his wife (see FDR and Frances Perkins).

Bull crap. Even if you don't believe 9/11 was an inside job (like I most definitely do), it SURE WAS CONVENIENT, wasn't it? Considering the fraudulent runoff in Florida (of all places, where his brother just happened to be governor). Have the Supremes EVER decided the outcome of an election before that day? EVER? Considering, as well, that Bush's approval ratings were TANKING before 9/11? And Poppy was still on the board of the Carlyle Group? Follow the money. Read some history on the Bush family.

Read this:

http://www.visibility911.org/the-carlyle-group-kissinger-associates-saic-and-halliburton-a-911-convergence/

The Carlyle Group, Kissinger Associates, SAIC and Halliburton: A 9/11 Convergence

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"Careful investigation leads one to notice that a number of intriguing groups of people and organizations converged on the events of September 11th, 2001. An example is the group of men who were members of Cornell University’s Quill & Dagger society. This included Paul Wolfowitz, National Security Advisors Sandy Berger and Stephen Hadley, Marsh & McLennan executive Stephen Friedman, and the founder of Kroll Associates, Jules Kroll. Another interconnected group of organizations is linked to these Cornell comrades, and is even more interesting in terms of its members being integral to the events of 9/11, and having benefited from those events.

After the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center (WTC), a company called Stratesec (or Securacom) was responsible for the overall integration of the new security system designed by Kroll Asoociates. Stratesec had a small board of directors that included retired Air Force General James Abrahamson, Marvin Bush (the brother of George W. Bush) and Wirt Walker III, a cousin of the Bush brothers. Other directors included Charles Archer, former Assistant Director in charge of the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Division, and Yousef Saud Al Sabah, a member of the Kuwaiti royal family.[1]

Yousef Saud Al Sabah was also chairman of the Kuwait-American Corporation (KuwAm), which between 1993 and 1999 held a controlling share of Stratesec. The other owners of Stratesec were Walker and an entity controlled by Walker and Al Sabah, called Special Situation Investment Holdings (SSIH).[2] SSIH was said to form a group with KuwAm, and the group owned several other companies, including Commander Aircraft and Aviation General. In any case, the Kuwaiti royal family can be said to have benefited from 9/11 due to “The War on Terror” that removed Saddam Hussein from power. Of course, that was the second consecutive US war that Kuwait benefited from, the first being the 1991 Gulf War led by President George H.W. Bush..."


39politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 6:17 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

As long as we're in this hate-filled political climate,  and I see it getting worse over time rather than better,  I don't believe anyone can be a successful President anymore.

If Hillary Clinton is Obama's successor,  it will be more of the same.  She will be hated and despised by the conservatives.  
And every potential republican President will be equally hated by the liberals.

40politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 6:35 pm

2seaoat



I call BS to Bob's paradigm. Liberal and conservative matter little. It is how effective government can run and who benefits. Politics is the dividing of the pie. Talk radio has created this illusion of conservative and liberal.......it always has been what can you do for me today.

41politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 6:59 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:I call BS to Bob's paradigm.   Liberal and conservative matter little.   It is how effective government can run and who benefits.  Politics is the dividing of the pie.  Talk radio has created this illusion of conservative and liberal.......it always has been what can you do for me today.

Liberal/conservative, democrat/republican, left/right, blue state/red state, call it what you like. It now all refers to the same thing, the political division in the country.
And it's not confined to talk radio (although it's definitely exacerbated by such). It's become the national political dialogue in general.

42politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 7:17 pm

2seaoat



Therein lies your problem.......if you allow the scam artist to redefine reality, you are the scam victim. There are two classes of Americans. Those who are stealing the country, and those who are getting their pockets picked. That process crosses traditional liberal and conservative definitions. Follow the money, it is neither monolithic or simple. It is specific, it is planned, and it cannot be addressed until Americans look beyond the scammer's definitions and we as a nation look at the bottom line.

43politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 7:36 pm

Guest


Guest

Bob wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:of course, it must be commonplace for Democrat POTUS to have an affair on his wife (see FDR and Frances Perkins).

But your side has proven that doesn't really make any difference.  Why?  Because your side despises Obama more than any other president even though he has a normal family life.

We despise Obama because he is a socialist and has no respect for the constitution.

Obama is a globalist and views America different than the way we do. To him America is just a country that needs to be taught a lesson and he wants to give it one. Take it down a peg. And he has.

Why would you expect conservatives to respect a person who has create a terrible environment for job creation, created a environment to where so many people are on the gov teet more than ever, has no respect for the debt he creates, put sin place laws that make the cost of living go up while the pay scale goes down.

Why would you think we would respect a person who has and is doing that?

You sit on the fence and talk about neutrality all the time. But in fact its clear you have a lean and all of us know what it is. You favor government solutions.

44politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 7:41 pm

2seaoat



We despise Obama because he is a socialist and has no respect for the constitution.

Your literacy of the context of the Constitution and your understanding of socialism are not that reliable that you would waste such energy on despising anybody.

45politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 8:32 pm

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Guest

2seaoat wrote:We despise Obama because he is a socialist and has no respect for the constitution.

Your literacy of the context of the Constitution and your understanding of socialism are not that reliable that you would waste such energy on despising anybody.

insulting me doesn't make it a fact comrade.

facts and votes and laws that obama pushes makes him exactly what I said. a socialist and anti-constitutionalist.

46politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 9:44 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I don't even have to write the replies anymore. This is too easy. lol

47politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 9:47 pm

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:I don't even have to write the replies anymore.  This is too easy.  lol


Yup ....


.... you're a genius, Bob. 


People have opinions. 


Some are right, and some are wrong. 


That's where you go off the rails. 

48politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 9:55 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:
Bob wrote:I don't even have to write the replies anymore.  This is too easy.  lol


Yup ....


.... you're a genius, Bob. 


People have opinions. 


Some are right, and some are wrong. 


That's where you go off the rails. 

Sal, that may be like getting the advice of a $300/hour shrink for absolutely free. And this time I mean it. lol

49politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:04 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:People have opinions. 


Some are right, and some are wrong.


That's where you go off the rails. [/font">


If you only knew how you just nailed me.  And I mean like you actually got inside my head.

I have an unnatural desire to see conflict be resolved.  I cannot stand it when people are fighting each other.  
It's so bad that it's almost like the Justin Hoffman character in Rain Man.

When you watch Rain Man, you of course think the Hoffman character is the one which would be studied in Abnormal Psychology classes.
BUT,  you never know who to empathize more with.  His character or the Tom Cruise character,  the normal.  
I ended up empathizing with them both about equally.  But it took me about 20 years or whenever when I watched it again on HBO.

50politics - Page 2 Empty Re: politics 6/4/2014, 10:23 pm

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Guest

bob, ive been talking to you for over 8 years and I have never seen you or your post as someone who cant stand conflict and must see all conflict resolved.

Im sorry but this is a part of you that doesn't come through easy on here. Im not saying its not true, because what comes through in type is not always the truth.

What a predicament to be in on a political forum. Sad

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