Shinseki out at VA

Sal wrote:There's a good bit of irony in all of this.

In 2003, Shinseki went before Congress and told them the truth - that it would take many more troops and resources to fight the misbegotten war that the criminals in the Bush administration were trying to sell to the American people.

For that, he was publicly ridiculed and his military career was virtually destroyed.

Fast forward 11 years, and the criminals who lied us into that travesty have yet to be called to account, and Shinseki is being fired again for his failure to deal with the human cost of an abortion of a war, the architects of which deliberately lowballed as just another element in an infrastucture of lies and deceit.

But, Shinseki must go.

And, so here we are.

SheWrites wrote:I don't think Shinseki in or out of the VA will change a thing. The man, retired general, served in Army Infantry units. Why not hire a man with a medical administrative background?? Strong and large medical corps in the Army with retirees that could have done the job, possibly, but with government restraints on how medicine is to be "run" we see the real issue is not the man running it but the operations/procedures of a bureaucracy.

KarlRove wrote:

SheWrites wrote:I don't think Shinseki in or out of the VA will change a thing. The man, retired general, served in Army Infantry units.  Why not hire a man with a medical administrative background??  Strong and large medical corps in the Army with retirees that could have done the job, possibly, but with government restraints on how medicine is to be "run" we see the real issue is not the man running it but the operations/procedures of a bureaucracy.  

That would make too much sense.

KarlRove wrote:

Sal wrote:There's a good bit of irony in all of this.

In 2003, Shinseki went before Congress and told them the truth - that it would take many more troops and resources to fight the misbegotten war that the criminals in the Bush administration were trying to sell to the American people.

For that, he was publicly ridiculed and his military career was virtually destroyed.

Fast forward 11 years, and the criminals who lied us into that travesty have yet to be called to account, and Shinseki is being fired again for his failure to deal with the human cost of an abortion of a war, the architects of which deliberately lowballed as just another element in an infrastucture of lies and deceit.

But, Shinseki must go.

And, so here we are.

Funny how liberals always spin things back to Bush and Bush hasn't occupied the WH since Jan 2009.

Sal wrote:There's a good bit of irony in all of this.

In 2003, Shinseki went before Congress and told them the truth - that it would take many more troops and resources to fight the misbegotten war that the criminals in the Bush administration were trying to sell to the American people.

For that, he was publicly ridiculed and his military career was virtually destroyed.

Fast forward 11 years, and the criminals who lied us into that travesty have yet to be called to account, and Shinseki is being fired again for his failure to deal with the human cost of an abortion of a war, the architects of which deliberately lowballed as just another element in an infrastucture of lies and deceit.

But, Shinseki must go.

And, so here we are.

KarlRove wrote:

Sal wrote:There's a good bit of irony in all of this.

In 2003, Shinseki went before Congress and told them the truth - that it would take many more troops and resources to fight the misbegotten war that the criminals in the Bush administration were trying to sell to the American people.

For that, he was publicly ridiculed and his military career was virtually destroyed.

Fast forward 11 years, and the criminals who lied us into that travesty have yet to be called to account, and Shinseki is being fired again for his failure to deal with the human cost of an abortion of a war, the architects of which deliberately lowballed as just another element in an infrastucture of lies and deceit.

But, Shinseki must go.

And, so here we are.

Funny how liberals always spin things back to Bush and Bush hasn't occupied the WH since Jan 2009.

SheWrites wrote:I don't think Shinseki in or out of the VA will change a thing.

Sal wrote:There's a good bit of irony in all of this.

In 2003, Shinseki went before Congress and told them the truth - that it would take many more troops and resources to fight the misbegotten war that the criminals in the Bush administration were trying to sell to the American people.

For that, he was publicly ridiculed and his military career was virtually destroyed.

Fast forward 11 years, and the criminals who lied us into that travesty have yet to be called to account, and Shinseki is being fired again for his failure to deal with the human cost of an abortion of a war, the architects of which deliberately lowballed as just another element in an infrastucture of lies and deceit.

But, Shinseki must go.

And, so here we are.

2seaoat wrote:So Mr. Markle.......are you saying that invading Iraq was a good policy decision for the United States?   A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

2seaoat wrote:So Mr. Markle.......are you saying that invading Iraq was a good policy decision for the United States?   A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

Floridatexan wrote:1) "My answer is bring 'em on." —President George W. Bush, challenging militants attacking U.S. forces in Iraq, July 2, 2003 (Source)

2) "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 (Source)

3) "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." —Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding to a U.S. soldier serving in Iraq who asked him why troops had to dig through scrap metal to armor vehicles, Dec. 8, 2004 (Source)

4) "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003 (Source)

5) "F**k Saddam, we're taking him out." –President Bush to three U.S. Senators in March 2002, a full year before the Iraq invasion (Source)

6) "Ladies and gentlemen, these are not assertions. These are facts, corroborated by many sources, some of them sources of the intelligence services of other countries." –Secretary of State Colin Powell, testifying about Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons capabilities before the United Nations Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003 (Source)

7) "Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens," April 11, 2003 (Source)

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." –President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003 (Source)

9) "It's hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam’s security forces and his army. Hard to imagine." –Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, testifying before the House Budget Committee prior to the Iraq war, Feb. 27, 2003 (Source)

10) "From a marketing point of view, you don't roll out new products in August." --White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, on why the Bush administration waited until after Labor Day to try to sell the American people on war against Iraq, "New York Times" interview, Sept. 7, 2002 (Source)

11) "We found the weapons of mass destruction." –President Bush, in an interview with Polish television, May 29, 2003 (Source)

12) "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, March 25, 2004 (Source)

13) "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, when asked about weapons of mass destruction in an ABC News interview, March 30, 2003 (Source)

14) "British intelligence has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." –President Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address (Source)

15) "Already, the Kay Report identified dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations." –President Bush, 2004 State of the Union Address (Source)

16) "It's a slam-dunk case!" –CIA Director George Tenet, discussing WMD and the case for war during a meeting in the Oval Office, Dec. 21, 2002 (Source)

17) "I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are." –White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, July 9, 2003 (Source)

18) "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on, which was weapons of mass destruction, as the core reason." --Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, "Vanity Fair" interview, May 28, 2003 (Source)

19) "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." –National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, on Iraq's nuclear capabilities and the Bush administration's case for war, Sept. 8, 2002 (Source)

20) "Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day." —President Bush, telling Time magazine that he underestimated the Iraqi resistance, Aug. 2004 (Source)


21) "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet The Press" March 16, 2003 (Source)

22) "I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, June 24, 2003 (Source)

23) "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Vice President Dick Cheney, Nov. 7, 2003 (Source)

24) "I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." --Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress, Feb. 16, 2005 (Source)

25) "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —President Bush, discussing the Iraq war with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, after Robertson told him he should prepare the American people for casualties (Source)

2seaoat wrote:So Mr. Markle.......are you saying that invading Iraq was a good policy decision for the United States?   A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

2seaoat wrote:So Mr. Markle.......are you saying that invading Iraq was a good policy decision for the United States?   A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

He can only answer your question with that overused cut-and-paste that he posts about 7 or 8 times per year.

The Iraq war was one of the most catastrophic foreign policy decisions ever made by a U.S. president. But, you must realize it was made by Dubya, who was the first moron ever elected to the office of POTUS.