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The real truth about the disgraceful care of our vets!

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

This has exactly what to do with the massive failure of healthcare within the Veterans Administration?

VA healthcare is EXACTLY what you, President Barack Hussein Obama and the other Progressives have been crying for VA healthcare for all for decades. Explain why you demand shared misery for all Americans?


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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:This has exactly what to do with the massive failure of healthcare within the Veterans Administration?

VA healthcare is EXACTLY what you, President Barack Hussein Obama and the other Progressives have been crying for VA healthcare for all for decades. Explain why you demand shared misery for all Americans?


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So...ONCE AGAIN...you have NOTHING.

Now concentrate very carefully.  These the questions you are trying desperately to ignore, pretend they don't exist or both.


This has exactly what to do with the massive failure of healthcare within the Veterans Administration?

VA healthcare is EXACTLY what you, President Barack Hussein Obama and the other Progressives have been crying for VA healthcare for all for decades. Explain why you demand shared misery for all Americans?



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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:This has exactly what to do with the massive failure of healthcare within the Veterans Administration?

VA healthcare is EXACTLY what you, President Barack Hussein Obama and the other Progressives have been crying for VA healthcare for all for decades. Explain why you demand shared misery for all Americans?


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Markle

Markle



Testifying before the 9/11 Commission in April of 2004, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft made his own observations about how the “wall” had greatly hindered terrorism investigations:


“In the days before September 11, the wall specifically impeded the investigation into Zacarias Moussaoui, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. After the arrested Moussaoui, agents became suspicious of his interest in commercial aircraft and sought approval for a criminal warrant to search his computer. The warrant was rejected because FBI officials feared breaching the wall. When the CIA finally told the FBI that al-Midhar and al-Hazmi were in the country in late August, agents in New York searched for the suspects. But because of the wall, FBI headquarters refused to allow criminal investigators who knew the most about the most recent al Qaeda attack to join the hunt for the suspected terrorists. At that time, a frustrated FBI investigator wrote headquarters, quote, 'Whatever has happened to this – someday someone will die – and wall or not – the public will not understand why we were not more effective and throwing every resource we had at certain problems.'’’


Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4733096/ns/us_news-security/t/ashcrofts-commission-statement/

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:The sad truth is, unlike Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and the dozens of other major military industrialists, our vets really have no lobbying power.

Just like the rest of us common folk.


So guess whose wheels get the grease!

As for those in that wonderful Washington DC feeding trough called "congress," none of them apparently give two shits for our GIs after they've been used.

If our government was peopled by characters who actually gave a damn about our men and women in uniform, would they have wasted their lives, limbs, and zillions of our bucks on misbegotten, wasteful, losing efforts in Vietnam, Panama, Greneda, Somalia, Beirut, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now in almost every poor country in Africa?

Of course our Presidents and congresses don't give a shit for all the uniformed victims of their insane, misdirected political power exercises. What kind of rational leaders would have engaged our "volunteer" military troops in wars we have had absolutely zero intention of ever winning?

Our government used to work hard at winning foreign wars.  

No longer. Now the game is to keep those expenses going as long as possible, and who gives a shit for those demented kids who join up believing they will actually be risking their lives and limbs to defend America's freedom?

The answer, unfortunately is: nobody in Washington DC.

Having served during the Korean "Peace Action," and having lived in this country longer than most, I'll be frank: I love Americans -- in service or out. But I absolutely loath our fucked-up, dysfunctional and wholly corporate-owned government -- and I'd be happy if every one of our elected representatives and senators had terminal chest pains the rest of the summer.

Screw Amerika Inc!!!

Now you're just making it way to easy.

Here's your beloved logo too!  ENJOY!
The real truth about the disgraceful care of our vets! - Page 2 Hitlers-train-Amerika_zpseebd91bd

Listen sweetheart, you only score when the crowd thinks you scored.  Digging up your Nazi slop from your immense Nazi regalia file isn't working anymore.  Everyone knows I'm a socialist.

And you're a real Nazi.

I consider you one of my Socialist/Communist good friends but not your sweetheart.

Adolph Hitler's personal train has been YOUR signature for many years, not mine.  You finally came out of the closet as a Socialist, you're inching your way toward admitting you're a Communist.  Why would that bother you?

The real truth about the disgraceful care of our vets! - Page 2 AnimatedLaughterPink

How are my Conservative beliefs in any way related to Nazism?  

Long before you brought us your Nazi regalia pic of the Hitler train, I was signing off with: Scew Amerika Inc.

The reason that riles you so much, is that exactly like Hitler and the Nazis, you don't believe in democracy -- you believe in a powerful leader backed up by super rich corporations.

And that, sweetheart, is exactly why you're a Nazi.

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:

Long before you brought us your Nazi regalia pic of the Hitler train, I was signing off with:  Scew Amerika Inc.

The reason that riles you so much, is that exactly like Hitler and the Nazis, you don't believe in democracy -- you believe in a powerful leader backed up by super rich corporations.

And that, sweetheart, is exactly why you're a Nazi.  

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When did Markle start supporting Obama?

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Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:
VA healthcare is EXACTLY what you, President Barack Hussein Obama and the other Progressives have been crying for VA healthcare for all for decades.  Explain why you demand shared misery for all Americans?

Yet here's a curious fact that few conservatives or liberals know. Who do you think receives higher-quality health care. Medicare patients who are free to pick their own doctors and specialists? Or aging veterans stuck in those presumably filthy VA hospitals with their antiquated equipment, uncaring administrators, and incompetent staff? An answer came in 2003, when the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a study that compared veterans health facilities on 11 measures of quality with fee-for-service Medicare. On all 11 measures, the quality of care in veterans facilities proved to be "significantly better."

Here's another curious fact. The Annals of Internal Medicine recently published a study that compared veterans health facilities with commercial managed-care systems in their treatment of diabetes patients. In seven out of seven measures of quality, the VA provided better care.

It gets stranger. Pushed by large employers who are eager to know what they are buying when they purchase health care for their employees, an outfit called the National Committee for Quality Assurance today ranks health-care plans on 17 different performance measures. These include how well the plans manage high blood pressure or how precisely they adhere to standard protocols of evidence-based medicine such as prescribing beta blockers for patients recovering from a heart attack. Winning NCQA's seal of approval is the gold standard in the health-care industry. And who do you suppose this year's winner is: Johns Hopkins? Mayo Clinic? Massachusetts General? Nope. In every single category, the VHA system outperforms the highest rated non-VHA hospitals.

Not convinced? Consider what vets themselves think. Sure, it's not hard to find vets who complain about difficulties in establishing eligibility. Many are outraged that the Bush administration has decided to deny previously promised health-care benefits to veterans who don't have service-related illnesses or who can't meet a strict means test. Yet these grievances are about access to the system, not about the quality of care received by those who get in. Veterans groups tenaciously defend the VHA and applaud its turnaround. "The quality of care is outstanding," says Peter Gayton, deputy director for veterans affairs and rehabilitation at the American Legion. In the latest independent survey, 81 percent of VHA hospital patients express satisfaction with the care they receive, compared to 77 percent of Medicare and Medicaid patients.

Outside experts agree that the VHA has become an industry leader in its safety and quality measures. Dr. Donald M. Berwick, president of the Institute for Health Care Improvement and one of the nation's top health-care quality experts, praises the VHA's information technology as "spectacular." The venerable Institute of Medicine notes that the VHA's "integrated health information system, including its framework for using performance measures to improve quality, is considered one of the best in the nation."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html

The problem with the VA is access, not quality of care.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

So are you counting the ones that died waiting for treatment ?

Sal

Sal

TEOTWAWKI wrote:So are you counting the ones that died waiting for treatment ?

Access, not quality of care.

Guest


Guest

Sal wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:So are you counting the ones that died waiting for treatment ?

Access, not quality of care.

Now you sound like me when I was trying to explain that premise on Obamacare.

Turns out it seems government run healthcare has access problem too. So why do you think more gov control is going to fix a problem with private health care when they havnt fixed Thier very own gov system yet?

Are you waking up from the utopian dream?

Sal

Sal

Single payer universal healthcare makes the access problem go away. 


Why don't you get that?


Death panels?

lol

Guest


Guest

Sal wrote:Single payer universal healthcare makes the access problem go away. 


Why don't you get that?


Death panels?

lol

well, first of all, that's not obamacare now is it?

No, its not. So universal healthcare for all is another topic.

The VA is your single payer -socialized medicine example. And yes, there were death panels aka cooking the books.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/05/23/no-the-va-isnt-a-preview-of-obamacare-its-much-worse/

Why don't you get that gov intervention is not always the answer to every problem but often it is the creator of the problem to begin with?

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:The sad truth is, unlike Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and the dozens of other major military industrialists, our vets really have no lobbying power.

Just like the rest of us common folk.


So guess whose wheels get the grease!

As for those in that wonderful Washington DC feeding trough called "congress," none of them apparently give two shits for our GIs after they've been used.

If our government was peopled by characters who actually gave a damn about our men and women in uniform, would they have wasted their lives, limbs, and zillions of our bucks on misbegotten, wasteful, losing efforts in Vietnam, Panama, Greneda, Somalia, Beirut, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now in almost every poor country in Africa?

Of course our Presidents and congresses don't give a shit for all the uniformed victims of their insane, misdirected political power exercises. What kind of rational leaders would have engaged our "volunteer" military troops in wars we have had absolutely zero intention of ever winning?

Our government used to work hard at winning foreign wars.  

No longer. Now the game is to keep those expenses going as long as possible, and who gives a shit for those demented kids who join up believing they will actually be risking their lives and limbs to defend America's freedom?

The answer, unfortunately is: nobody in Washington DC.

Having served during the Korean "Peace Action," and having lived in this country longer than most, I'll be frank: I love Americans -- in service or out. But I absolutely loath our fucked-up, dysfunctional and wholly corporate-owned government -- and I'd be happy if every one of our elected representatives and senators had terminal chest pains the rest of the summer.

Screw Amerika Inc!!!

Now you're just making it way to easy.

Here's your beloved logo too!  ENJOY!
The real truth about the disgraceful care of our vets! - Page 2 Hitlers-train-Amerika_zpseebd91bd

Listen sweetheart, you only score when the crowd thinks you scored.  Digging up your Nazi slop from your immense Nazi regalia file isn't working anymore.  Everyone knows I'm a socialist.

And you're a real Nazi.

I consider you one of my Socialist/Communist good friends but not your sweetheart.

Adolph Hitler's personal train has been YOUR signature for many years, not mine.  You finally came out of the closet as a Socialist, you're inching your way toward admitting you're a Communist.  Why would that bother you?

The real truth about the disgraceful care of our vets! - Page 2 AnimatedLaughterPink

How are my Conservative beliefs in any way related to Nazism?  

Long before you brought us your Nazi regalia pic of the Hitler train, I was signing off with:  Scew Amerika Inc.

The reason that riles you so much, is that exactly like Hitler and the Nazis, you don't believe in democracy -- you believe in a powerful leader backed up by super rich corporations.

And that, sweetheart, is exactly why you're a Nazi.  

Other than you sad effort to play childish games, attempting to call someone a bad name, please explain how Nazi, in any way, describes me. You have proven that you believe we should have a Communist society in order to be..,FAIR. Whatever that is in your mind.

Na·zi [naht-see, nat-] Show IPA


noun, plural Na·zis.

1. a member of the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany, which in 1933, under Adolf Hitler, seized political control of the country, suppressing all opposition and establishing a dictatorship over all cultural, economic, and political activities of the people, and promulgated belief in the supremacy of Hitler as Führer, aggressive anti-Semitism, the natural supremacy of the German people, and the establishment of Germany by superior force as a dominant world power.

You're the one who wants government to have control over our economy and all political activities. You are also the anti-Semitism.

You seem to be pretty confused. About a lot of things.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:The sad truth is, unlike Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and the dozens of other major military industrialists, our vets really have no lobbying power.

Just like the rest of us common folk.


So guess whose wheels get the grease!

As for those in that wonderful Washington DC feeding trough called "congress," none of them apparently give two shits for our GIs after they've been used.

If our government was peopled by characters who actually gave a damn about our men and women in uniform, would they have wasted their lives, limbs, and zillions of our bucks on misbegotten, wasteful, losing efforts in Vietnam, Panama, Greneda, Somalia, Beirut, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now in almost every poor country in Africa?

Of course our Presidents and congresses don't give a shit for all the uniformed victims of their insane, misdirected political power exercises. What kind of rational leaders would have engaged our "volunteer" military troops in wars we have had absolutely zero intention of ever winning?

Our government used to work hard at winning foreign wars.  

No longer. Now the game is to keep those expenses going as long as possible, and who gives a shit for those demented kids who join up believing they will actually be risking their lives and limbs to defend America's freedom?

The answer, unfortunately is: nobody in Washington DC.

Having served during the Korean "Peace Action," and having lived in this country longer than most, I'll be frank: I love Americans -- in service or out. But I absolutely loath our fucked-up, dysfunctional and wholly corporate-owned government -- and I'd be happy if every one of our elected representatives and senators had terminal chest pains the rest of the summer.

Screw Amerika Inc!!!

Now you're just making it way to easy.

Here's your beloved logo too!  ENJOY!
The real truth about the disgraceful care of our vets! - Page 2 Hitlers-train-Amerika_zpseebd91bd

Listen sweetheart, you only score when the crowd thinks you scored.  Digging up your Nazi slop from your immense Nazi regalia file isn't working anymore.  Everyone knows I'm a socialist.

And you're a real Nazi.

I consider you one of my Socialist/Communist good friends but not your sweetheart.

Adolph Hitler's personal train has been YOUR signature for many years, not mine.  You finally came out of the closet as a Socialist, you're inching your way toward admitting you're a Communist.  Why would that bother you?

The real truth about the disgraceful care of our vets! - Page 2 AnimatedLaughterPink

How are my Conservative beliefs in any way related to Nazism?  

Long before you brought us your Nazi regalia pic of the Hitler train, I was signing off with:  Scew Amerika Inc.

The reason that riles you so much, is that exactly like Hitler and the Nazis, you don't believe in democracy -- you believe in a powerful leader backed up by super rich corporations.

And that, sweetheart, is exactly why you're a Nazi.  

Other than you sad effort to play childish games, attempting to call someone a bad name, please explain how Nazi, in any way, describes me. You have proven that you believe we should have a Communist society in order to be..,FAIR. Whatever that is in your mind.

Na·zi [naht-see, nat-] Show IPA


noun, plural Na·zis.

1. a member of the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany, which in 1933, under Adolf Hitler, seized political control of the country, suppressing all opposition and establishing a dictatorship over all cultural, economic, and political activities of the people, and promulgated belief in the supremacy of Hitler as Führer, aggressive anti-Semitism, the natural supremacy of the German people, and the establishment of Germany by superior force as a dominant world power.

You're the one who wants government to have control over our economy and all political activities. You are also the anti-Semitism.

You seem to be pretty confused. About a lot of things.

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html

As you well know TEN YEAR OLD article is of no value whatsoever. None, nada, zip, zero.

Where do you dream up these things? Fantasyland?

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Mr. Markle you are getting more shrill as you realize that government is working pretty damn good under the President, our economy is slowly moving forward, we have cut our deficit in half, we are withdrawing from the wars, people are actually coming together to make improvements in the VA, and you think what you post here makes any difference.....it would if you were an honest broker of concepts and attempted to look at what is best for America.  Instead you seem to be more out of touch in your 69 years, and frankly isolated in your beliefs.  The demographics will never go back to your Mayberry, but America will grow stronger with our new fabric.  Sorry to tell you this....they can pay you until you are a rich man to post nonsense across the state newspapers and blogs, but in the end your audience is shrinking and the sad part,  your ship has sailed.  Immigration reform, Minimum wage, and Medicare for all are as certain as the sun rising.......and you can huff and puff......but the people of this country are going to be burying their problem babyboomers over the next 20 years, and sadly your ideas will be buried with them.

You're a hoot! What fun...the DEFICIT is cut in half, which is still nearly double what the Democrats were screaming about in the proposed 2009 budget of George W. Bush.

You truly are a disciple of Adolph Hitler’s very close associate Joseph Goebbels stated!

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Even you can't believe the malarkey you post but you have fun doing so don't you?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Somebody please explain this to us: Herr Markle whines that I refer to him as a Nazi and that I'm wrong about that. Really? For well over a year I've repeatedly closed comments here with "Screw Amerika Inc.," -- as a protest against the plutocracy that owns our government.

Tortured by his frustration, where does Herr Markle turn to looking for some gem with which to retaliate? His immense Naxi regalia and fact file, of course. He discovers Amerika was the name of Hitler's favorite train. Then, using his twisted fascist logic, Herr Markle now accuses me of being ... well you guessed it. Anybody here smell something irrational? Herr Markle knows I detest him and call him out for being the racist Nazi he is, and then he claims I worship Adolph Hitler because I use "Screw Amerika Inc." so often.

Think about that. If I loved Adolph Hitler and the Nazis so much, why would I use their image as an insult?

Can you say "irrational?"

Next, responding to something 2Seaoat wrote, Herr Markle immediately dives into his huge Nazi file and writes the following:

"You truly are a disciple of Adolph Hitler’s very close associate Joseph Goebbels stated!

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


It appears that Herr Markle's many Nazi references reflect a weird, unhealthy love affair between this sick, ultra conservative, racist republican and overt Nazism.

Reality.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:Somebody please explain this to us:  Herr Markle whines that I refer to him as a Nazi and that I'm wrong about that.  Really?  For well over a year I've repeatedly closed comments here with "Screw Amerika Inc.," -- as a protest against the plutocracy that owns our government.

Tortured by his frustration, where does Herr Markle turn to looking for some gem with which to retaliate?  His immense Naxi regalia and fact file, of course.  He discovers Amerika was the name of Hitler's favorite train.  Then, using his twisted fascist logic, Herr Markle now accuses me of being ... well you guessed it.  Anybody here smell something irrational?  Herr Markle knows I detest him and call him out for being the racist Nazi he is, and then he claims I worship Adolph Hitler because I use "Screw Amerika Inc." so often.

Think about that.  If I loved Adolph Hitler and the Nazis so much, why would I use their image as an insult?

Can you say "irrational?"  

Next, responding to something 2Seaoat wrote, Herr Markle immediately dives into his huge Nazi file and writes the following:

"You truly are a disciple of Adolph Hitler’s very close associate Joseph Goebbels stated!

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


It appears that Herr Markle's many Nazi references reflect a weird, unhealthy love affair between this sick, ultra conservative, racist republican and overt Nazism.

Reality.


Such a cute try. You're the one who uses the name of Adolph Hitler's personal train as your signature, you also have prove you do not know the definition. Yet you claim to support all their values. One massive government guaranteeing shared misery for everyone but the ELITE.

The real truth about the disgraceful care of our vets! - Page 2 Socratestoo

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Somebody please explain this to us:  Herr Markle whines that I refer to him as a Nazi and that I'm wrong about that.  Really?  For well over a year I've repeatedly closed comments here with "Screw Amerika Inc.," -- as a protest against the plutocracy that owns our government.

Tortured by his frustration, where does Herr Markle turn to looking for some gem with which to retaliate?  His immense Naxi regalia and fact file, of course.  He discovers Amerika was the name of Hitler's favorite train.  Then, using his twisted fascist logic, Herr Markle now accuses me of being ... well you guessed it.  Anybody here smell something irrational?  Herr Markle knows I detest him and call him out for being the racist Nazi he is, and then he claims I worship Adolph Hitler because I use "Screw Amerika Inc." so often.

Think about that.  If I loved Adolph Hitler and the Nazis so much, why would I use their image as an insult?

Can you say "irrational?"  

Next, responding to something 2Seaoat wrote, Herr Markle immediately dives into his huge Nazi file and writes the following:

"You truly are a disciple of Adolph Hitler’s very close associate Joseph Goebbels stated!

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


It appears that Herr Markle's many Nazi references reflect a weird, unhealthy love affair between this sick, ultra conservative, racist republican and overt Nazism.

Reality.


Such a cute try.  You're the one who uses the name of Adolph Hitler's personal train as your signature, you also have prove you do not know the definition.  Yet you claim to support all their values.  One massive government guaranteeing shared misery for everyone but the ELITE.  


Screw Amerika Inc.!! You can define that phrase any way you want to.
But when I use it, it means screw our government that's owned by a hand full of bloodsucking corporations.

Pretty much the same way Nazi Germany was owned.

But, Nazi as you are, you knew all that ... LOL

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