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Republicans won't spend a dime on Vets ...

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

The right wing whackos -- particularly those featured on FOX News of late, bemoaning the outing of serious VA administration wrong-doings -- didn't want to spend a dime increasing VA budgets only 30 days ago. Reality!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/21/1300939/-Republicans-outraged-over-treatment-of-veterans-filibustered-better-healthcare-for-vets-in-February?detail=email


It's good to know who your enemies are!

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You don't remember who fixed up Walter Reed Hospital do you?

2seaoat



You don't remember who fixed up Walter Reed Hospital do you?


Joe the plumber?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/26/AR2007092601600.html

Report Says Fixes Slow To Come at Walter Reed

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By Steve Vogel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 27, 2007
More than half a year after disclosures of systemic problems at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and other military hospitals, the Pentagon's promised fixes are threatened by staff shortages and uncertainty about how best to improve long-term care for wounded troops, according to a congressional report issued yesterday.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal

Seems it took years to fix Walter Reed:

The Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal resulted from a series of allegations of unsatisfactory conditions, treatment of patients, and management at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center (WRAMC) in Washington, D.C. culminating in two articles published by The Washington Post in February 2007. Several cases of patient neglect and shoddy living conditions were reported as early as 2004. Significant public and media attention was generated, which in turn prompted a number of congressional and executive actions, including resignations of several high-ranking officers [

Initial exposure[edit]
The Washington Post published a series of articles beginning February 18, 2007, outlining cases of neglect at Walter Reed reported by wounded soldiers and their family members.[1] Although the article focused primarily on Building 18, a former hotel building just outside the post's main gates, authors Dana Priest and Anne Hull also included complaints about "disengaged clerks, unqualified platoon sergeants and overworked managers" that make navigating the already complicated bureaucracy to obtain medical care at WRAMC even more daunting. Although Army officials claimed to be surprised at these conditions, a Salon.com series beginning in January 2005 had previously exposed them.[2] In 2004 and 2005, articles appeared in the Post and in Salon interviewing First Lt. Julian Goodrum about his court martial for seeking medical care elsewhere due to poor conditions at WRAMC.[3][4]

WRAMC's Building 18 was described in Washington Post article as rat- and cockroach-infested, with stained carpets, cheap mattresses, and black mold, with some soldiers reporting no heat or water in the facility. The unmonitored entrance created security problems, including reports of drug dealers in front of the facility. Injured soldiers stated they were forced to "pull guard duty" to have some level of security. In an attempt to alleviate the toll that Building 18's condition was taking on the wounded soldiers, a staff team headed by a clinical social worker at WRAMC obtained a grant of $30,000 from the Commander's Initiative Account for improvements; however, "a Psychiatry Department functionary held up the rest of the money because she feared that buying a lot of recreational equipment close to Christmas would trigger an audit." By January the funds were no longer available.[1]

The problems associated with Building 18 were not new to the Walter Reed Army Medical Center community. As early as 1999 the extensive problems with Building 18 were identified to senior level leadership, and funding for renovations and improvements were denied. Prior to its role housing wounded warriors, Building 18 had long served as the barracks of WRAMC Student Company. Between 1999 and 2001, under the Command of then Captain Michael D. Dake, the Student Company leadership identified the deplorable conditions in and around Building 18 to two Medical Center Brigade Commanders (COL Terry D. Carroll, and COL Larry S. Bolton respectively). By 2002, the requests for funding to improve conditions in and around Building 18 had made it to the attention of Major General Kevin C. Kiley. Kiley, who toured the facility as part of his Commander's in-brief after arriving in June, personally inspected the facility and spoke to the Soldiers and the Leadership. He then also denied funding for improvements. By 2004, renovation of Building 18 had been anticipated in connection with the enhanced use lease of Building 40, but since the post was slated for closure under BRAC in 2005, the anticipated in-kind services by the Building 40 developer did not materialize.

Although the Post's authors are quick to point out that "not all the quarters are as bleak as" Building 18, "the despair of Building 18 symbolizes a larger problem in Walter Reed's treatment of the wounded. The typical soldier is required to file 22 documents with eight different commands – most of them off-post – to enter and exit the medical processing world, according to government investigators. Sixteen different information systems are used to process the forms, but few of them can communicate with one another. The Army's three personnel databases cannot read each other's files and can't interact with the separate pay system or the medical recordkeeping databases."[5] This complicated system has required some soldiers to prove they were in the Iraq War or the War in Afghanistan in order to obtain medical treatment and benefits because Walter Reed employees are unable to locate their records.

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Now for the sake of humoring me since I've been following all this outrage over the VA and I have also used it in two states.

Although some VA facility's are deplorable and is may take a while to get an appointment, don't you think a prudent person with a medical problem would go anywhere to seek treatment if they had to wait months for the VA? Some of those people I understand were over 65, hello, this tells me they were on or should have been on Medicare. Did they not want to pay their Medicare deductible's so they lay waiting for the VA? Sorry for them, but if you are sick with any condition and you have to wait that long to see someone get off your ass and go to the ER and then submit it through the VA.

Now Obama and his administration better get things fixed up and Jeff Miller.

knothead

knothead

[quote="ppaca"]Now for the sake of humoring me since I've been following all this outrage over the VA and I have also used it in two states.

Although some VA facility's are deplorable and is may take a while to get an appointment, don't you think a prudent person with a medical problem would go anywhere to seek treatment if they had to wait months for the VA? Some of those people I understand were over 65, hello, this tells me they were on or should have been on Medicare. Did they not want to pay their Medicare deductible's so they lay waiting for the VA? Sorry for them, but if you are sick with any condition and you have to wait that long to see someone get off your ass and go to the ER and then submit it through the VA.

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[quote="knothead"]
ppaca wrote:Now for the sake of humoring me since I've been following all this outrage over the VA and I have also used it in two states.

Although some VA facility's are deplorable and is may take a while to get an appointment, don't you think a prudent person with a medical problem would go anywhere to seek treatment if they had to wait months for the VA? Some of those people I understand were over 65, hello, this tells me they were on or should have been on Medicare. Did they not want to pay their Medicare deductible's so they lay waiting for the VA? Sorry for them, but if you are sick with any condition and you have to wait that long to see someone get off your ass and go to the ER and then submit it through the VA.

 cheers cheers cheers 

My dad has to use the VA because he has a condition related to his disabilities and he doesn't have to pay except for a charge for the visit. He and I have both earned that right. I'm going through a medical retirement myself and I WILL use the VA. It is owed to me.

2seaoat



My story about a VA hospital is a sad story. I worked on car lots in high school. I got to get to know a great many car salesmen over those three years. They would, late at night when no customers were coming in, sit and talk with me. Harvey was a big man who had a wooden leg. He told me his jeep in Korea overturned on a bad road when he sustained his injury while serving in the Army. He had a great deal of difficulty getting around to meet customers, but damn if he was not a good salesmen, but he also drank too much, and I went off to college and did not keep in touch.

I was working as an adult about fifteen years after I had worked with Harvey, and I was told by a mutual friend that he was in Hines Va hospital in Maywood Illinois. I decided to visit him because I knew his wife and daughter had died, and he was without family. It was a sad day for my visit. Hines was not like any other Hospital when I had visited friends. They had the folks packed into a room with all of these folks on ventilators. Harvey was in and out of conciousness and did not recognize me at first because I had changed a great deal from the 16-17 year old kid who was doing lot maintenance on the cars. I just told him who I was and I wanted to see how he was doing, and let him know I turned out ok and had a job. The look in his eyes when he finally recognized me was priceless. I called some friends who knew harvey and asked them to please give him a visit. They did. The second visit he lit up and seemed to be doing much better, and I spoke to a doctor who said he had no visits and the visits were helping tremendously. I got in touch with one of his drinking buddies and he visited him weekly, but we agreed how fricking dismal the VA hospital was and the way the patients were stockpiled. It left a life long impression that the care in a VA hospital was not the best, and that folks were really neglected. Harvey passed about three months after I was visiting, and I felt good about those evenings he would talk about Korea and tell me his stories when we worked together and I was a young kid.....but I had a guilty feeling on the care he was getting at the end of his life.. ....I went back to raising my family, and did nothing to raise my concerns on the funding of VA hospitals and the care given to our veterans.......the truth is out of sight.....out of mind. I hope our vets are getting better care than what I witnessed in 1985. President Obama I believe sincerely cares about vets, but he needs to fix this mess.

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There have always been periodic scandals with the VA. Something will be brought to the forefront, get fixed, and things will quiet down until the next scandal erupts.

You have to know what the VA is good for, and what they are not so good for. Also, the VA does much more than just medical care, and is a great resource for vets and disabled vets.

I use the JACC at Corry Station for very general things. I would not want the VA to perform any detailed surgical procedure on me. I realize some vets have no other resources, but I would elect to use other health insurance over the VA for major procedures.

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Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:The right wing whackos -- particularly those featured on FOX News of late, bemoaning the outing of serious VA administration wrong-doings -- didn't want to spend a dime increasing VA budgets only 30 days ago.  Reality!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/21/1300939/-Republicans-outraged-over-treatment-of-veterans-filibustered-better-healthcare-for-vets-in-February?detail=email
It's good to know who your enemies are!

Another lie from my Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger who is ashamed of the care given by the VA. His most sincere hope is that ALL Americans would be subjected to the same, substandard care. He loves shared misery and willingly lies to support that philosophy.

Wordslinger, and any other Progressive who wishes to help him, what was the budget for the VA when President Barack Hussein Obama took office and what is it today.

Progressives strong belief is that to correct a problem, just throw more money at the issue. Wordslinger would never think to look at accountability, efficiency or responsibility.

President Barack Hussein Obama has not met with Eric K. Shinseki (Secretary of the Veteran Affairs) in two years. That's how "urgent" President Obama considers the VA problem.

VA healthcare is what President Obama and Wordslinger envisions for all America. Shared misery.

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