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Is Hobby Lobby circumcised?

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1Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/25/2014, 3:36 pm

polecat

polecat

From Americablog

Hobby Lobby, an arts and crafts chain run by an uber-Christian family, says it should be exempt from the Affordable Care Act’s (Obamacare’s) contraceptive mandate because the store’s owners, and thus the store itself, is “Christian.”

As a person of faith, Hobby Lobby says it shouldn’t be compelled by the government to act against its Christian beliefs.

But I was having a hard time understanding how a store could be a person, let alone a person of faith. And the more I thought about it, the more confusing it became.

So, if Hobby Lobby is really a person of faith, I have some questions for it:

1.Is Hobby Lobby circumcised?
2.Is Hobby Lobby baptized?
3.When was the last time Hobby Lobby went to confession?
4.If Hobby Lobby went to confession, what kind of sins would it confess? (Dear Lord, I coveted my neighbor’s bridal shop?)
5.Does Hobby Lobby only date other Christian stores?
6.Are there Mormon stores too? And do they spend a lot of time telling coffee chains how to live?
7.Has Hobby Lobby ever been married? (I’ll bet Walmart’s looking for an uptight Christian brand who knows its place.)
8.How old should a store be before it can merge?
9.How does Hobby Lobby feel about inter-racial mergers — you know, when, say, an arts and crafts store wants to merge with a sports store? Is that an abomination?
10.Is American Girl a jezebel?
11.Is Abercrombie kinda gay? And if so, do we now need a Defense of Corporate Marriage Act?
12.Has Hobby Lobby ever been divorced?
13.Is there a corporate hell that bad stores go to?
14.Are Jewish stores going to hell?
15.Are all Muslim stores terrorists?
16.Is bankruptcy abortion?
17.Did Entenmann’s kill Jesus?

2Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/25/2014, 3:43 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Corporations are persons under the law so are cities and many other "families "of people. Hey if Obama's letting the Muslims off why not all Christians SMELLS LIKE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION ! where's those damned crusaders when you need them..Mount up we attack at dawn !

3Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/25/2014, 4:24 pm

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4Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/25/2014, 4:34 pm

polecat

polecat

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Corporations are persons under the law so are cities and many other "families "of people. Hey if Obama's letting the Muslims off why not all Christians SMELLS LIKE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION ! where's those damned crusaders when you need them..Mount up we attack at dawn !

If corporations are people why don't republicans want to cut there welfare to?

5Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/25/2014, 4:41 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

polecat wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Corporations are persons under the law so are cities and many other "families "of people. Hey if Obama's letting the Muslims off why not all Christians SMELLS LIKE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION ! where's those damned crusaders when you need them..Mount up we attack at dawn !

If corporations are people why don't republicans want to cut there welfare to?

Don't know any real republicans..they are like dinosaurs..they once roamed and thundered on the earth but were replaced by sniveling little ratlike mammals called neocons..and smaller skunk like mammals called RINOS.

6Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/28/2014, 1:57 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

polecat wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Corporations are persons under the law so are cities and many other "families "of people. Hey if Obama's letting the Muslims off why not all Christians SMELLS LIKE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION ! where's those damned crusaders when you need them..Mount up we attack at dawn !

If corporations are people why don't republicans want to cut there welfare to?

 cheers cheers cheers 

7Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/28/2014, 2:00 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

There are a couple of interesting unintended consequences that could result if the court decides in "favor" of this Hobby Lobby religious view:

It’s going to be argued on the grounds that a business can have a “religion”—which can contain any beliefs they want—and that they have wide berth to use that “religion” to discriminate against their employees. Maybe it will be limited to compensation, or maybe it will be bigger than that. After all, if they’re allowed to withhold benefits because they disapprove of your private life, then what else will they be able to do? Refuse to hire women at all?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/26/the-hobby-lobby-lawsuit-is-a-trojan-horse/

8Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/28/2014, 2:06 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

All of this is a sideshow to the ensuing carnival of unintended consequences that will be unleashed should our venerated SCOTUS, inc.--or more precisely, Justice Kennedy, inc.--decide to grant supernatural powers to every corporation in America.

So says trial lawyer extraordinaire and Ring of Fire radio host Mike Papantonio (appearing yesterday on the Ed Schultz radio show) who says such a ruling would be good news for anyone damaged by corporate malfeasance.  For Hobby Lobby's super Jesus Powers would not only mark the end of Corporate Personhood.  It would end Corporate Indemnity.  Or as Mike Papantonio says, it would completely alter corporate law on such a grand scale, "It would pierce the corporate veil," and allow law suits to proceed against the owners of a corporation for the illegal or negligent acts of the corporation.  

That's right cowboy.  The saloon door swings both ways. And sometimes it smacks you in the face.  Doh!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/28/1287909/-Papantonio-Hobby-Lobby-Is-DOA?detail=email

9Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/28/2014, 2:07 pm

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Screw Amerika Inc!!

10Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/28/2014, 2:15 pm

knothead

knothead

othershoe1030 wrote:There are a couple of interesting unintended consequences that could result if the court decides in "favor" of this Hobby Lobby religious view:

It’s going to be argued on the grounds that a business can have a “religion”—which can contain any beliefs they want—and that they have wide berth to use that “religion” to discriminate against their employees. Maybe it will be limited to compensation, or maybe it will be bigger than that. After all, if they’re allowed to withhold benefits because they disapprove of your private life, then what else will they be able to do? Refuse to hire women at all?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/26/the-hobby-lobby-lawsuit-is-a-trojan-horse/

Completely agree OS . . . . the rights of the female employees (in this case) would be determined by their employer and if upheld could easily extend to other whims under the guise of 'religious' beliefs. Good post!

11Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/28/2014, 4:24 pm

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by Wordslinger Today at 2:07 pm
Screw Amerika Inc!!

12Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/28/2014, 10:55 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

knothead wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:There are a couple of interesting unintended consequences that could result if the court decides in "favor" of this Hobby Lobby religious view:

It’s going to be argued on the grounds that a business can have a “religion”—which can contain any beliefs they want—and that they have wide berth to use that “religion” to discriminate against their employees. Maybe it will be limited to compensation, or maybe it will be bigger than that. After all, if they’re allowed to withhold benefits because they disapprove of your private life, then what else will they be able to do? Refuse to hire women at all?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/26/the-hobby-lobby-lawsuit-is-a-trojan-horse/

Completely agree OS . . . . the rights of the female employees (in this case) would be determined by their employer and if upheld could easily extend to other whims under the guise of 'religious' beliefs. Good post!

Even more intriguing than the possible effect of letting businesses pick and choose how they want this law to be applied is the thought that maybe deep down the corporate world doesn't want to really be treated like a person if that treatment includes having to take responsibility for their screw-ups like the BP oil spill, coal mining slag pollution etc. Papantonio suggests that they could very well be exposed personally if the SCOTUS ruled "in their favor". It might come under the heading of "be careful what you wish for!"

Now wouldn't that just be poetic justice?

[For those of us who don't do law, an amicus brief is basically an opinion offered by someone who is not a party to a case but has an interest in its outcome enough to pay some lawyer thousands of dollars to make the argument to the SCOTUS and add it to the case record. ]

According to Mr. Papantonio, Citizens United has already breached the veil and test cases are imminent challenging the separation of corporation from owner based on that steaming pile of, uh, jurisprudence. Add supernatural powers and suddenly "There's no distinction between the owner of a corporation and the corporate entity and then all of a sudden the protection...this corporate veil protection...that says you can't sue...the owner of the corporation no matter how bad their conduct is..." goes poof!

Mr Papantonio argues that the lack of amicus briefs is the corporate world's way of telegraphing to its fully owned subsidiary majority on the SCOTUS, inc., to Have fun with your God fit, but don't you dare rule in favor of these morans.

13Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/29/2014, 10:41 am

Guest


Guest

polecat wrote:From Americablog

Hobby Lobby, an arts and crafts chain run by an uber-Christian family, says it should be exempt from the Affordable Care Act’s (Obamacare’s) contraceptive mandate because the store’s owners, and thus the store itself, is “Christian.”

As a person of faith, Hobby Lobby says it shouldn’t be compelled by the government to act against its Christian beliefs.

But I was having a hard time understanding how a store could be a person, let alone a person of faith.  And the more I thought about it, the more confusing it became.

So, if Hobby Lobby is really a person of faith, I have some questions for it:

1.Is Hobby Lobby circumcised?
2.Is Hobby Lobby baptized?
3.When was the last time Hobby Lobby went to confession?
4.If Hobby Lobby went to confession, what kind of sins would it confess?  (Dear Lord, I coveted my neighbor’s bridal shop?)
5.Does Hobby Lobby only date other Christian stores?
6.Are there Mormon stores too? And do they spend a lot of time telling coffee chains how to live?
7.Has Hobby Lobby ever been married? (I’ll bet Walmart’s looking for an uptight Christian brand who knows its place.)
8.How old should a store be before it can merge?
9.How does Hobby Lobby feel about inter-racial mergers — you know, when, say, an arts and crafts store wants to merge with a sports store? Is that an abomination?
10.Is American Girl a jezebel?
11.Is Abercrombie kinda gay? And if so, do we now need a Defense of Corporate Marriage Act?
12.Has Hobby Lobby ever been divorced?
13.Is there a corporate hell that bad stores go to?
14.Are Jewish stores going to hell?
15.Are all Muslim stores terrorists?
16.Is bankruptcy abortion?
17.Did Entenmann’s kill Jesus?
Why confuse religions here? Circumcision has only been a religious rite of the Jewish and that ended with the New Covenant when Christ came. Paul speaks about it in his writings.
Of course, with the atheist crowd here religion bashing is in style.

14Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/29/2014, 10:47 am

dumpcare



Anyone know if there are any Florida corps involved in this? Just wondering because BC has covered generic birth control for years, even before obama.

15Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/29/2014, 11:28 am

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Guest

this one is just hobby lobby that has gone to the supreme court. over a 100 similar suits have occurred though because of this.

The problem here is most people here do not understand what that very old ruling about corporate personhood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

The central focus of the( THIS) case was the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, passed by Congress in 1993. It was designed to give those with religious beliefs a way of fighting back against laws they consider a violation of those beliefs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act

Signed into law by bill Clinton LOL

16Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/29/2014, 11:31 am

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Guest

Hatch: Contraception mandate violates Religious Freedom Restoration Act
http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/03/27/hatch-contraception-mandate-violates-religious-freedom-restoration-act/#.UzbmxmdOU5s

looks like Obama is going to have to make another adjustment LOL

17Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/29/2014, 2:55 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

ppaca wrote:Anyone know if there are any Florida corps involved in this? Just wondering because BC has covered generic birth control for years, even before obama.

Controversy over birth control, are we back in the 60's? You'd think that people who are against abortions would welcome free birth control since it reduces unwanted pregnancies?

I really think that the far right is grasping at straws by stirring up this crazy so called religious freedom angle because they know they are on the wrong side of history when it comes to marriage equality and they need another hot button issue to keep their flock focused. Perhaps a good ol' war on women with Biblical roots is just the thing?

The problem I think is that corporations or businesses could claim such a wide range of "religious beliefs" as reasons for not following some law that a significant portion of the legal system could be thrown into turmoil.

18Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/29/2014, 3:01 pm

dumpcare



One of the female agents at work is a member of the tea party and she disagree's with hobby lobby on the grounds birth control is also used for other things rather than just controlling births. She's been pretty upset about it.

19Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/29/2014, 3:27 pm

Guest


Guest

ppaca wrote:One of the female agents at work is a member of the tea party and she disagree's with hobby lobby on the grounds birth control is also used for other things rather than just controlling births. She's been pretty upset about it.

I think it's bs too... I wouldn't work for narrow minded busybodies like that.

20Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/30/2014, 10:03 am

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Here's Papantonio's interview on The Ed Show explaining his take on the Hobby Lobby case. Listen to the whole clip because he makes some interesting comments right at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhYhIDJzj6s

21Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/30/2014, 10:20 am

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Guest

Pap is a left wing idiot who wasnt even able to keep a radio show going due to his stupid train of thought.

22Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/30/2014, 10:20 am

Guest


Guest

He just needs to stick with lawyering

23Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/30/2014, 10:29 am

Guest


Guest

I think we'd get much better ethics from corps if the ability to hold owners and boards legally accountable were easier.

24Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? Empty Re: Is Hobby Lobby circumcised? 3/30/2014, 7:59 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Pap is a left wing idiot who wasnt even able to keep a radio show going due to his stupid train of thought.

Looks like Ring of Fire is alive and well. Maybe just not on the radio in our area?

http://www.ringoffireradio.com

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