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TransCanada Pipeline Explodes in Manitoba

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Sal

Sal

So, these are the guys who want to a build a continent-spanning death funnel that will bring the world's nastiest fossil fuels from the environmental moonscape of northern Alberta down through the richest farmland in the world to the foreign trade zones of Texas where it will be sold tax-free to China?

What could possibly go wrong?




A natural gas pipeline explosion near Otterburne, Man., 50 kilometres south of Winnipeg, has left thousands without heat as temperatures drop to -20 C, or -34 C with the wind chill. A fire is out after burning for more than 12 hours at the site of a natural gas pipeline explosion near Otterburne, Man., about 50 kilometres south of Winnipeg. But officials say there are now natural gas outages affecting as many as 4,000 people in nearby communities, where temperatures dipped to near -20 C overnight.

"Massive, like absolutely massive," he said. "The police were by [Highway] 59 and you could just see little cars out there and you could see in comparison how big the flame was. It was just literally two to 300 metres in the air. And bright, I mean lit up the sky." Tyler Holigroski, wholives in the Otterburnearea, remembers seeing a flickering, bright light in the sky. "Thought it was the neighbours' house or something like that," he said. "I thought there was a fire, but the way it lit the sky, it was like the sun coming up. The only thing is it was flashing. It would get brighter, get dim, get brighter, go dim. "It lit up the whole sky here for half an hour," Holigroski said.

The pipeline, which is owned by TransCanada, has been temporarily shut down according to a statement from a company spokesman. The statement also said that nearby roads have been closed, and that the company is not aware of any reports of injuries. However, five houses within the vicinity of the fire were evacuated by RCMP and St-Pierre-Jolys Fire Department. The residents of two of the homes have been allowed to return, but police were not letting residents return to the three homes closest to the site. Crews spent most of the day venting the natural gas from the system to eliminate the fuel source for the fire. The company said that process generated a loud noise but posed no risk to the public. By Saturday afternoon, more than 12 hours after it started, TransCanada officials said the fire was out.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/natural-gas-pipeline-explodes-near-otterburne-man-1.2510873

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Yes, the pipeline very likely will be approved. I don't think Obama is progressive enough to push-back against big-oil/big corporations that much. They will find a way to get it approved either just before or right after the 2014 elections.

There is not much that will stand in the way of the ongoing North American energy revolution. The Bakken shale is booming. The Texas Permian Basin holds 100 billion barrels of recoverable oil in several stacked shale formations. The Monterey Shale formation in California's San Joaquin Valley is just gearing up. Several shale gas basins all over the U.S. are also booming.

Canada holds 175 billion barrels of recoverable bitumen from the Athabasca oil sands in Alberta and will be extracting 5 million barrels per day from that resource by 2020. After 2020, this resource will no longer be mined, but will be recovered using in-situ techniques. Mexico just passed major reforms pertaining to its energy resources and will soon invite foreign participation for the first time since 1938, to help bring its still undetermined, but massive shale oil resources to market.

From a geopolitical standpoint, North America will soon be in a position to dictate terms to the rest of the world when it comes to energy. U.S. oil production will equal Saudi Arabian production by 2020 and surpass it by 2030. The Persian Gulf region will become much less relevant to American security in the coming years.

While our overall energy security increases, the U.S. will continue down the road of massively increasing energy efficiency, and bringing more renewable and alternative energy resources into the mix. I just read the other day that U.S. reliance on renewables (mostly wind and solar) will increase 277% in the coming years. Truck fleets and trains are very slowly moving away from diesel to compressed and liquefied natural gas, which is currently plentiful, cleaner-burning, and cheaper than liquid fuels derived from crude oil. By 2050, most cars will either be EVs or hybrids (and they will also be driverless!). These efficiency moves should help satisfy the climate-change gods somewhat.

My one hope in all of this is that our politicians realize that for the next several decades, there will be no need to sacrifice American military personnel fighting over oil resources that come here from remote parts of the world. China is now the world's leading oil importer; a distinction America dubiously held for many years.

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2seaoat



This was a natural gas pipeline, and not an oil pipeline. I used to have a 3foot 300pound per square inch pipeline in my backyard. If it was compromised my family would have first suffocated, and then it would have found an ignition source and then we would have scotty beam us up.

The silly thing about the pipeline debate is that over 5 years ago they installed the first leg of the pipeline to Illinois and their refineries, and there were crickets......few people know that 50% of the pipeline capacity has already been installed. An oil pipeline rarely has the explosive capability of a ng pipeline.

2seaoat



I have told this story in the PNJ, but we had rented a houseboat on Dale Hollow Lake on the tn/ky border and we were in our second night and were enjoying fishing when off in the distance we saw the top of a large mushroom cloud and then sometime later a huge roar from an explosion. We had no cell phone coverage, and figured nashville had been Nuked. Now reasonable men would have fired the motor up and headed back to the outfitter......we kept fishing and drinking that night....we figured it did not make much difference if folks were slinging nuclear bombs. When we returned the next afternoon to the outfitter we were told that a huge ng tank had exploded about 15 miles away.....we were relieved, but the damn fish were scared to death....we had been skunked that Sat night.

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Sal

Sal

2seaoat wrote:This was a natural gas pipeline, and not an oil pipeline.  I used to have a 3foot 300pound per square inch pipeline in my backyard.  If it was compromised my family would have first suffocated, and then it would have found an ignition source and then we would have scotty beam us up.

The silly thing about the pipeline debate is that over 5 years ago they installed the first leg of the pipeline to Illinois and their refineries, and there were crickets......few people know that 50% of the pipeline capacity has already been installed.  An oil pipeline rarely has the explosive capability of a ng pipeline.

That's not the point of the thread.

The point is the piss poor safety record of this company in operating and maintaining their pipelines, and the enormous risk this new pipeline poses to our country environmentally with zero benefit to be derived by the American people.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

If the pipeline is not built then the oil will continue to be transported by rail to the different U.S. refineries that process it. These trains currently cross the same aquifers that the proposed pipeline will cross (along with the other thousands of miles of pipeline already crossing said aquifers). Two notable (and explosive) rail accidents have happened in the last year, so the choice is rail or pipeline.

My bet is Obama eventually caves and approves the pipeline. His Republican opponents will nod their heads in approval, while finding a way to cite his decision as a "failure." The President's base will not be happy, but they will let it slide. The Oil & Gas Journal will then publish an editorial praising the President's decision as one that is "right," and all will be good.

President Obama has been very friendly to the petroleum industry during his tenure. U.S. oil production has climbed every year he has been in office. He has not saddled the industry with any onerous regulations, oversight, or taxation, much to the chagrin of climate-change proponents. That trend is likely to continue for the remainder of his term.

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal wrote:
2seaoat wrote:This was a natural gas pipeline, and not an oil pipeline.  I used to have a 3foot 300pound per square inch pipeline in my backyard.  If it was compromised my family would have first suffocated, and then it would have found an ignition source and then we would have scotty beam us up.

The silly thing about the pipeline debate is that over 5 years ago they installed the first leg of the pipeline to Illinois and their refineries, and there were crickets......few people know that 50% of the pipeline capacity has already been installed.  An oil pipeline rarely has the explosive capability of a ng pipeline.

That's not the point of the thread.

The point is the piss poor safety record of this company in operating and maintaining their pipelines, and the enormous risk this new pipeline poses to our country environmentally with zero benefit to be derived by the American people.

I actually can't remember anything recently that was done for the good of the American people...thinking....nope.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Sal wrote:
2seaoat wrote:This was a natural gas pipeline, and not an oil pipeline.  I used to have a 3foot 300pound per square inch pipeline in my backyard.  If it was compromised my family would have first suffocated, and then it would have found an ignition source and then we would have scotty beam us up.

The silly thing about the pipeline debate is that over 5 years ago they installed the first leg of the pipeline to Illinois and their refineries, and there were crickets......few people know that 50% of the pipeline capacity has already been installed.  An oil pipeline rarely has the explosive capability of a ng pipeline.

That's not the point of the thread.

The point is the piss poor safety record of this company in operating and maintaining their pipelines, and the enormous risk this new pipeline poses to our country environmentally with zero benefit to be derived by the American people.

I actually can't remember anything recently that was done for the good of the American people...thinking....nope.

Ur right... we're going to need alot more bureaucrats. Cause public safety has a direct correlation with fat slow lazy corrupt pencil pushers. The only real problem is that more rules aren't mandated and the size of govt is way too small.

2seaoat



Ur right... we're going to need alot more bureaucrats. Cause public safety has a direct correlation with fat slow lazy corrupt pencil pushers. The only real problem is that more rules aren't mandated and the size of govt is way too small.

whoa....I was beginning to worry....you are back in Hona Lee....I am relieved, I actually thought you might post in the real world. The real world requires stringent safety standards with pipeline transmission systems. Many easements go through heavily populated areas and many of the pipelines are over forty years of age. They flew over my NG pipeline in my backyard every Thursday as a small plane would buzz the top of the roofs photographing any earth changes or vegetation changes. When I was backfilling my house for final grade and landscaping this guy in a big white truch drives right up in my yard and starts yelling at me about moving dirt in the easement with the pipe only 48 inches in the ground, and he quickly changed his attitude after I read him the easement and my rights to landscape in an easement, and then asked him who I make a claim with for the damage to my yard because of his truck......why is it that people with a little bit of authority think they can bully somebody....it was a good day for bobcat operators.....but he did leave me with this tidbit......if I scratch the fiberglass wrappings on the steel pipe the minimum charge is 100k.

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Good ideas are squashed... Bad ideas are subsidized. You find us an equality... I don't think you can in a free market.

2seaoat



Good ideas are squashed... Bad ideas are subsidized. You find us an equality... I don't think you can in a free market.

Thought I might help you with the words for your fantasy world of Hona Lee.

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