Bet no liberals care to discuss this

Or discuss this

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Or discuss this

I went to an insurance agent (ppaca on the forum) and he used the obamacare website to sign me up for an obamacare policy which took effect Jan 1.
I have an appointment with my same doctor for next Wednesday to get an annual physical which is covered by my obamacare policy.
You say you want discussion. So how does that cartoon apply to me?

You're one of the dew Bob.... Now explain the millions who lost insurance and have had their healthcare turnip cart dumped over for this DC power grab.

And for you Seaoat, you are like most liberals ... You can't add anything to debunk facts about the over pics I posted.

Bob wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Or discuss this

I went to an insurance agent (ppaca on the forum) and he used the obamacare website to sign me up for an obamacare policy which took effect Jan 1.
I have an appointment with my same doctor for next Wednesday to get an annual physical which is covered by my obamacare policy.
You say you want discussion.  So how does that cartoon apply to me?

Don't forget to use qwest for your blood work.

That picture does depend on what state your live, yes some lost coverage but most of insurance company's did obama's bidding and did extend their policy's well into 2014 and some 2015. But the one's who were losing their coverage were offered compliant plans at a much higher premium, but it was believed that most of these would have qualified for an advance premium tax credit.

Less people have insurance now than before and they are having to sign up for coverage that makes them pay for items that they do not need....like why would a nun need birth control or a priest need child care?

Child care? First I heard of that in the ehb's.

Birth control should be up to the individual be it a nun or another female. Your group plan has had BC included for years, in fact quite of few of the expanded benefits that are now built into individual plans have been included in group plans for year's. But I've always said any of these extra's should have been pic and choose and charge an extra premium for each one. There was no need to include BC in everyone's plan, nor maternity.

I meant maternity ....Ty

Since when do Presidents have direct control over cia field operations.....you say you have security clearance, but you simply do not comprehend what was going on in Libya. Your arguments on the Affordable Care Act are silly......talk to me in three years after the penalty phase, but this is exactly how you sounded after the elections.....just looking for excuses. We took out Mr. K, and folks now have coverage.....you simply are comfortable with being wrong.

Could be wrong, but I have a feeling the penalty for the first year for individual's will be delayed.

ppaca wrote:Could be wrong, but I have a feeling the penalty for the first year for individual's will be delayed.

By that you mean the individual mandate... correct?

What I would like to hear from everyone (including seagoat) is the unequivocal demand for the raw data.

Yes, individual mandate but that is just my thinking.

ppaca wrote:Could be wrong, but I have a feeling the penalty for the first year for individual's will be delayed.

You mean more illegal changes in the law.

By that you mean the individual mandate... correct?

What I would like to hear from everyone (including seagoat) is the unequivocal demand for the raw data.

Again, that would require that I share mental disability with those who want the score in the first inning to DETERMINE who won the game. I will watch the game and after three cycles of the penalties make a determination as to whether the penalties need to be increased to get the actuarial basis of the assumptions........but please do not let logic interfere with your mental disability..........ignorance can be corrected......it might take about five years, but stupid is permanent.

2seaoat wrote:By that you mean the individual mandate... correct?

What I would like to hear from everyone (including seagoat) is the unequivocal demand for the raw data.

Again, that would require that I share mental disability with those who want the score in the first inning to DETERMINE who won the game. I will watch the game and after three cycles of the penalties make a determination as to whether the penalties need to be increased to get the actuarial basis of the assumptions........but please do not let logic interfere with your mental disability..........ignorance can be corrected......it might take about five years, but stupid is permanent.

Lol... what possible rational can there be for withholding the full transparent information from we the people? Fear?

I understand you don't want to know... like a dog doesn't need to know where you get it's food from. Just lap it up boy.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:You're one of the dew Bob.... Now explain the millions who lost insurance

I can't explain "millions".  I don't know them.  If you know them and what their situation is then I'll leave it to you to explain what the millions have told you.
All I know is about me.  The insurance policy I had for 35 years was never cancelled.  That's even though (and ppaca will confirm this),  that insurance policy did not meet ANY of the requirements you heard about in the media.
I got two letters from the company (Mega Life and Health) informing me that "I was not to worry,  because my policy would be allowed to continue".  
I debated about keeping that "best health care in the world policy",  or opting instead for an obamacare policy.  

I weighed the difference in benefits in making my decision.

My existing "best health care in the world policy" covered virtually nothing even though it had a $4500 annual premium cost.  Well I shouldn't say nothing exactly,  because it did pay about $1100 toward a $20,000 hospital bill.

The horrible sinful progressive liberal muslim communist obamacare policy will pay the same benefits as any typical Blue Cross PPO policy.

So I opted to cancel "the best health care in the world insurance policy" and went with the evil muslim commie progressive socialist obamacare policy.

It was a tough decision because I knew if I gave up the "best health care in the world policy" and it got back to Rush Limbaugh it would hurt his feelings and he would think less of me.

The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they're being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.


Total deaths - 60
Outraged Republicans - 0

Total deaths - 60
Outraged Republicans - 0


The sad part is they think the American People are that dumb to make the silly association they have made......one would think they would get a clue after the American people soundly rejected the perverse logic that the Republicans were selling in Libya.......Hillary can only hope they continue being stupid.

For you two dimwits, the difference is that the Admin knew of the threat, they had warnings, did nothing about the threat, saw the attack take place, watched from drones as it took place, and then blamed the attack and the results on a freakin' video which had nothing to do with the attacks at all.

After that they lied about not having assets in the area with which to respond to save the ambassador and his security team and have fired or made disappear top generals who spoke out contrary to what the admin said took place. Then the admin crawfished, admitting that they knew of the threat and it was not due to a video.

This is a bigger coverup than the Watergate fiasco and none of you Dems will even admit it. To top it off, the BS liar in Secretary of State at the time FINALLY testifies for a few minutes and says, "What difference does it make?"

It would make a difference if Chelsea Clinton had been ambassador or maybe Michelle Obama, but if you aren't one of the few chosen, this admin doesn't care.

you are a funny man........an active CIA operation which can only operate with the president making micro management decisions......you still do not get it.........this was a CIA operation and CIA line command made the call.

And Seaoat making excuses .... Remember Reagan taking blame for Beirut ? I do. This POTUS u
Isn't responsible for anything unless it has a good outcome.