Morgan say Mr Oats, PKBum.Jake and others cost us a lot of money LOl Keyword "Pathological Gambler"

OH No!!!! Going to cost us 10 dollars for every One dollar the Casinos bring in!!!!  Damn!

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Looks like it was produced with a 10 dollar web cam from Big Lots

Oh NO he is probably full of shit. I hope poker or jake are going to the meeting tomorrow at psc. I wanted to go but can't make it.

ppaca wrote:Oh NO he is probably full of shit. I hope poker or jake are going to the meeting tomorrow at psc. I wanted to go but can't make it.

Not probably, is, full of crap.

Casinos are coming?

He is absolutely correct that there are negative impacts on a community because of legalized gambling. However, those negative factors must be put into context and weighed against the benefits. If Law enforcement is not currently doing their job, I suspect these concerns are very real. I think the crime rate in Pensacola would actually go down because quite frankly it is off the charts. The sheriff is worried about statistical increase of robberies, yet where is his concern for the drugs and gangs which have created an utter battlefield in most American Cities. How long has the denial of gangs in Pensacola been swept under the rug, while we get all excited about a bunch of gray beards with walkers beating up another retired person because they wanted their slot machine. The Casino I play at mostly has paved every road in the city. The city wisely did not use any of the casino proceeds for expenses, and only capital projects. With better roads, grants for capital improvements on business fronts, and residences, I have witnessed a city make a complete conversion.

Gambling is already in every area of our lives. Florida is a vacation destination, and tourists are usually not the ones who are committing crimes. Their dollars if not directed to an inflated sheriff's budget and wish list, actually can fix infrastructure and not waste dollars on salaries and more government spending. Infrastructure improvements enhance the private sector and an area can have real economic growth. Economic growth is the best deterrence to crime. I have supported the Sheriff, and will continue to because he has a difficult job, but he is wrong on this issue. I hope not one dime goes into salaries and closing budget gaps, and like other wise cities it goes only to capital projects.

I blame the crime in Pensacola on the JUDGES that let the criminals off with a slap on the hand..  How many DUI's does someone have to get before they serve more than a few days in jail??  How many roberies or breaking and enterings does someone have to do before they spend more than a few days in jail??  How many muggings, rapes, car jackings, and murders does someone have to do before spending more than a few days in jail or getting bailed out and free for months until the court date comes up and they get a slap on the hand or early release for good behavior?  
I'll go to the meeting and support casinos coming to FL with PART of the tax money they pay going towards prison expenses for the prisons and police, but NOT the lawyers and judges..

Good Jake, tell them their are illegal game's going on all over the city as you speak and some big money. If a person is going to have a gambling problem they do not need a casino. I am all for it, but look what happened in 96 when it came up for vote. I have my doubts it will ever get passed in Florida, although I am hoping.

ppaca, if you are aware of ILLEGAL games, WHY are you not calling the police, or FBI to bust them up?????

He just has his poker face on, he's bluffing!

Jake92 wrote:ppaca, if you are aware of ILLEGAL games, WHY are you not calling the police, or FBI to bust them up?????

probably because they are the ones running the show, lol

Jake92 wrote:ppaca, if you are aware of ILLEGAL games, WHY are you not calling the police, or FBI to bust them up?????

No one from these games has murdered, raped or otherwise hurt anyone. I have never attended but I know someone who has and he is 72. He used to go out to the track and do pretty good and that is where he met these people. I am one if I think something should be legal would never think of snitching.

Scott King, director of research and policy for the Mississippi Gulf Coast Business Council, said the state’s 30 commercial casinos employ about 25,000 people directly and another 10,000 jobs are created by vendor who sell produce, food and beverage to the casinos.

Casinos reported $2.4 billion in gaming revenues in 2011, down about 6.4 percent from the year before, according to the Casino Operators Association latest report. He cites the Mississippi Development Authority’s projection that about $1.8 billion of the annual gaming revenues comes from visitors to the state. “Gaming isn’t something that cannibalizes non-gaming tourism, it enhances it. It truly is an export.” King said he hasn’t seen any research to suggest that “Mississippi has a gaming problem anymore than any other state does.” And, he said, the state “has not seen a huge influence of crime.” Biloxi officials said in their 20-year report that fears of increased crime as a result of casinos did not come true.

http://msbusiness.com/blog/2012/11/21/20-years-of-casinos-how-gaming-has-matured-in-mississippi/

Bob wrote:Scott King, director of research and policy for the Mississippi Gulf Coast Business Council, said the state’s 30 commercial casinos employ about 25,000 people directly and another 10,000 jobs are created by vendor who sell produce, food and beverage to the casinos.

Casinos reported $2.4 billion in gaming revenues in 2011, down about 6.4 percent from the year before, according to the Casino Operators Association latest report. He cites the Mississippi Development Authority’s projection that about $1.8 billion of the annual gaming revenues comes from visitors to the state. “Gaming isn’t something that cannibalizes non-gaming tourism, it enhances it. It truly is an export.” King said he hasn’t seen any research to suggest that “Mississippi has a gaming problem anymore than any other state does.” And, he said, the state “has not seen a huge influence of crime.” Biloxi officials said in their 20-year report that fears of increased crime as a result of casinos did not come true.

http://msbusiness.com/blog/2012/11/21/20-years-of-casinos-how-gaming-has-matured-in-mississippi/

Damn it Bob.. Stop posting facts!!!! You remember how great things were in Biloxi before the Casino. Gone for ever due to the damn Casinos..........

Mr Ichi wrote:  You remember how great things were in Biloxi before the Casino.

I remember it very well.  Starting about 1976 I was buying old slot machines from the slot operators over there who were paying off the cops to look the other way.  Slot machines were being operated up and down the coast from Bay St. Louis to Moss Point.  The only stipulation the cops had was to keep them out of sight of tourists.

Bob wrote:

Mr Ichi wrote:  You remember how great things were in Biloxi before the Casino.

I remember it very well.  Starting about 1976 I was buying old slot machines from the slot operators over there who were paying off the cops to look the other way.  Slot machines were being operated up and down the coast from Bay St. Louis to Moss Point.  The only stipulation the cops had was to keep them out of sight of tourists.

What was the name of the Cafe/beer joint/slot machine place just as you crossed into Louisiana?  It was a hot spot.  I just can not think of the name of it,  Maybe later.  I keep thinking "Blue something"  May have closed in the Mid 60s not sure. maybe much later. I can remember my parent going into the back room and playing the slots. There was a curtain but you could see and hear the machines...

Gambling in Mississippi: Its Early History

By Deanne S. Nuwer

Gambling in Mississippi is centuries old. Before Europeans or Africans called the state their home, Choctaw, Chickasaw, and other Indian peoples in the region gambled regularly. American Indians were fond of games and gambling, according to early accounts.

One of the most popular sports that Indians wagered on was stick ball, or ishtaboli, which means “little brother of war.” Highly competitive and combative, two teams tried to score by tossing a ball against the opposing team’s goal post. Players used special sticks to hurl the ball. This game resembled a modern-day combination of football and lacrosse, without helmets and padding. Like today’s sports betting, wagers on the outcome of the game were placed. Wagers often included all of the players’ possessions.

Cards and colonists

After Europeans and Africans established themselves in the Mississippi region, gambling practices continued in different forms. Checkers, cards, and billiards were popular wagering games among early French colonists. Card playing was especially popular. Promissory notes have been found in early 18th-century settlements written on the backs of homemade cards with the loser pledging a future payment to the winner.

When Mississippi was a Spanish territory in the 1790s, horse racing enthusiasts built the Fleetfield Race Track in Natchez. Completed in 1795, Natchezians went to the track and placed bets on favorite horses and jockeys, while enjoying the social atmosphere. Thus, when Mississippi became a state December 10, 1817, gambling was already a part of its past.

Billiards in Biloxi

During the 1830s and 1840s, the population of the state grew. Entertainment opportunities also increased. Many early 19th-century Mississippians went to the Mississippi Coast on the Gulf of Mexico to enjoy its resorts and mild weather. Hotels offered lawn bowling, billiards, sailing, hunting, and dancing. Early tourist destinations in Biloxi included the Magnolia Hotel, the Nixon Hotel, Madame Pradat’s, and the Shady Grove Hotel. All of the hotels provided entertainment and gambling options.

Mississippians also traveled to Natchez and Vicksburg on the Mississippi River where gambling was prevalent, especially at The Landing, a riverside region in Vicksburg, and in the Natchez-Under-the-Hill district. In these two river cities, steamboat travelers encountered gambling houses where billiards, card games, and other betting events occurred. Horse racing and cockfighting were also popular betting sports in antebellum Mississippi, as was riverboat gambling.

Schooners and ships

After the Civil War (1861-1865), tourists returned to the Gulf Coast as the Louisville & Nashville Railroad opened passenger service between Mobile, Alabama, and New Orleans, Louisiana. Many people from New Orleans visited the Mississippi Gulf Coast, enjoying the local hospitality at the growing number of hotels.

Schooner races also became a popular activity for betting on the Gulf Coast. Many seafood factories had been built along the Coast by the 1890s, and each one of them constructed its own schooners for harvesting shrimp and oysters. However, in June and July, the factories organized races for cash prizes to see which one of them had the fastest schooner.

By 1912, the entire Mississippi Gulf Coast was connected by shell roads, railroad lines, and a trolley system. The Coast and Piney Woods regions were booming. When World War I ended in 1919, the Piney Woods region provided much-needed lumber to markets around the world. Shipbuilding to freight the lumber became an important industry to the state’s economy.

After Prohibition was enacted July 1, 1919, some of the ships once used for hauling lumber engaged in transporting illegal liquor to entertainment establishments along the Mississippi Coast and to other major cities in the Gulf region. From the Caribbean Islands, particularly Cuba, to various ports along the Mississippi Sound, ships secretly sailed around the Barrier Islands and bayous. One island, Dog Key, was a particularly popular stopping-off point for those transporting illegal liquor.

Dog Key Island, which was only three miles long and about 487 acres, had been used for years by local fishermen because artesian springs were there, providing fresh water. During Prohibition it became a haven for bootleggers. Realizing its importance because of the fresh water supply and its location twelve miles outside of the jurisdiction of United States claims, three men decided to develop a resort there. The men, Colonel Jack W. Apperson, Walter “Skeet” Hunt, and Arbeau Caillavet, financed the Isle of Caprice Hotel and Resort that was built on Dog Key in 1926. Any visitor who paid the 75-cent fare could take the short boat trip of about thirty minutes to the Isle of Caprice and gamble at its casino. There were roulette wheels, dice tables, and other gambling devices available.

The Isle of Caprice was very popular until storms and the Gulf of Mexico’s currents took their toll on the sandy Dog Key. Adding to the environmental problems, people visiting the island picked the sea oats that somewhat stabilized the island’s sand. As a result, the fragile ecosystem maintained by the plants’ root systems was destroyed. By 1932, the Isle of Caprice Resort was completely submerged.

Slots and “The Strip”

Along the Mississippi Gulf Coast, however, legal gambling continued at hotels such as the Pine Hills, the Edgewater Gulf, the Tivoli, the Buena Vista, and the White House. These hotels and many smaller establishments offered slot machines for their guests, along with other activities such as dancing and golfing. Slot machines also appeared in grocery stores and other businesses. Gambling devices were more prevalent along the Gulf Coast and in Mississippi River towns, where gambling had historically existed, than in other sections of the state. Yet, elsewhere in the inland counties of Mississippi, roadhouses supplied back room gambling activity. Roadhouses visited by white people were generally called “honky-tonks,” and those visited by blacks were called “juke joints.” In fact, a federal tax and state privilege tax were paid for each machine that operated anywhere in the state.

Because gambling was so profitable, the Broadwater Beach Hotel was built in 1938 specifically to cater to out-of-state and Mississippi gamblers who could afford to gamble. People flocked to the gaming establishments that lined the Mississippi Gulf Coast. During the Great Depression of the 1930s, gambling was viewed as a means to stimulate the economy, especially along the Gulf Coast.

Throughout the 1940s and 1950s, gambling expanded along the Coast. By 1950, the opening of U.S. Highway 90, the first four-lane super highway, boosted travel along the Coast. In nightclubs lining Highway 90, entertainers such as Elvis Presley, Jayne Mansfield, Andy Griffin, and Hank Williams Sr., performed. Gambling and entertainment were everywhere along “The Strip.”

Citizens and the Kefauver Committee

However, not every Mississippian was comfortable with the atmosphere that highlighted the gambling night life. In early 1950, a group of Gulf Coast ministers organized a movement to outlaw gambling on the Coast. Calling themselves the Biloxi Protestant Ministerial Association and a Group of Interested Laymen, they sought to outlaw slot machines in Harrison County. Their concern was that laws were not being enforced regarding the illegal operation of slot machines. Meeting regularly with like-minded citizens in their respective churches, they advertised in The Daily Herald a list of statutes that prohibited gambling as outlined in the Mississippi Law Code of 1942. The group believed gambling was harmful to family life and to individuals who could not control themselves when they spent too much money at the slot machines.

By 1951, the U.S. Senate Committee to Investigate Organized Crime in Interstate Commerce had also begun hearings to determine the extent of organized crime in the casino industry throughout the United States. Senator Estes Kefauver from Tennessee headed the committee and it was soon called the Kefauver Committee. The Gulf Coast ministers and citizens used the hearings to call more attention to the slot machine problem on the Coast. They advertised the fines and imprisonment stipulations for breaking the Mississippi laws and continued to demand the enforcement of those laws by local officials. As a result, law officials seized slot machines in various clubs and stores in Harrison County and dumped them in the Back Bay. The law officers also arrested the owners of the machines.

Officials at Keesler Air Force Base, who also believed that gambling was a bad influence on the men and women stationed there, joined in the call for enforcing anti-gambling laws in Harrison County. Keesler officials were concerned that the 327 bars, supper clubs, and other businesses in Harrison County would exploit the thousands of men and women who were stationed there. It was believed that illegal slot machines tempted the young men and women to gamble away their hard-earned money when the chances of winning at the slot machines were almost non-existent.

After several days of investigations and hearings in Biloxi, the Kefauver Committee condemned the gambling establishments, but did not close them. The report stated that the availability of slot machines and other gambling devices was demoralizing to the citizens of Biloxi and Keesler Air Force Base and called the gambling operations “unsavory.” It urged the Coast not to tolerate any disregard for the law. After this report, a crackdown on gambling operations did occur for awhile in Harrison County. The mayor of Biloxi promised to enforce laws as related to slot machines and other gambling devices during his administration. People were arrested and had to pay fines, sometimes as high as $250 for owning and operating slot machines. Thereafter, gambling operations began to decline.

Clubs on the Coast

Throughout the 1960s, clubs such as the Fiesta, Gus Stevens, the Beach Club, and Mr. Lucky’s all offered games of chance. Back room gambling had not stopped. Across the state and along the Coast, these clubs and other establishments had slot machines and such gambling devices as roulette wheels, even as public opinion was turning against gambling.

Hurricane Camille hit the Mississippi Coast on August 19, 1969, destroying homes and businesses. The gambling industry along the Coast did not recover from the damaging effects of the hurricane, nor did the Coast’s tourist industry. In the 1980s, the economy of the coastal region was still floundering.

Casinos and the new century

The 1990s, however, brought new gambling interests for Mississippi when Congress passed the National Indian Gaming Act in 1988. Consequently, by 1994, the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians had opened the Silver Star Casino in Neshoba County. Along the Mississippi Gulf Coast and in towns along the Mississippi River, local legislators also realized the revenue advantage of legalizing gambling.

Mississippi Senator Tommy Gollott, a Democrat from the 50th Senate District in Harrison County, spearheaded legislation for dockside gambling to help the slumping state economy. As a result, on June 29, 1990, the Mississippi Legislature passed the Mississippi Gaming Control Act. This act stated that casino gambling was allowed only in counties along the Mississippi River and the Gulf Coast, as long as the voters in those eligible areas approved it. To date, in addition to Neshoba County, legalized casino gambling exists in Tunica, Washington, Adams, Warren, Hancock, and Harrison counties.

Hancock County, on December 5, 1990, was the first Mississippi county to approve dockside gambling. Harrison County quickly followed. Two years after the Gaming Control Act passed, the Isle of Caprice Casino opened in Biloxi. By October 1992, Splash Casino in Tunica County opened. Today, in 2005, there are about thirty gaming properties along the Gulf Coast and Mississippi River. Over 42 million people visited Mississippi casinos in 2004, with the vast majority of them coming from outside of the state.

Deanne S. Nuwer, Ph.D., is assistant professor of history at the University of Southern Mississippi.

The name was the place was "The White Kitchen"
http://old-new-orleans.com/NO_White_Kitchen

Sometimes, on a Friday afternoon, my Aunt Myrtle would make the rounds in her trusty Pontiac, picking up all the Jackson aunts, uncles and cousins who wanted to spend the weekend at her house across the lake.  She lived in the city most of the time, but she had a little house just across the state line in Mississippi, and spent a lot of time there.  It was always a happy day when my mom agreed to let me go.  If my mom wasn't going along, before she would agree to let me go--since she was a strict disciplinarian (and my Aunt Myrtle was not a disciplinarian at all)-- she felt the need to elicit all manner of solemn promises from my aunt about what I would and would not be allowed to do.  Aunt Myrtle would nod enthusiastically and agree completely, but, by the time Chef Menteur Highway had turned into Old Highway 190, going east toward Mississippi, my mom's rules had pretty much gone right out of the open window of that old Pontiac.
  About halfway between New Orleans and our destination was a traveler's landmark and one of my all-time favorite places.  The White Kitchen was a restaurant in Slidell, LA (one of three White Kitchens).  What a great place it was--especially for me!  All the waitresses knew my Aunt Myrtle and, since I was usually the only child in the group, that meant some really neat perks for me.  Did I want a whole pickle with my burger instead of slices?  No problem.  Did I want 5 cherries on my sundae instead of one?  No problem.  Did I want to play for an hour on The Claw, trying to win one of those little teddy bears, without ever putting any coins in the machine?  No problem.
  I'll never know what it's like to be a celebrity who receives special treatment at one of the trendy clubs in L.A. or N.Y., but I've been to the White Kitchen with my Aunt Myrtle....and it can't be much better than that!   Nancy.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................I guess there were 3 of them..LOL  This the one my folks used to go to.


The White Kitchen was a favorite stop off for many New Orleans travelers heading out of the city. This restaurant, lounge, and liquor store located at the intersection of U. S. 190 and U. S. 90 was easy to find because a large roadside sign depicting a Native American beckoned all who passed by. Note the Jax Beer sign.

This circa 1950s postcard reads:
White Kitchen
The South's Most Famous Highway Restaurants
Finest Foods - Expert Mixologists - Famous White Kitchen Sauce -
24-Hour Service since 1926 - Modern Rest rooms -
35 Miles East of New Orleans - On La.-Miss. Short-Cut Highway U.S. 90

Other Location
35 Miles East of New Orleans - On U. S. Highways 11 and 190
Slidell, La.
Publisher: H. S. Crocker Co., Inc., San Francisco 1, Calif.

From http://pontchartrain.net/templates/Syst ... PID=495802

More White Kitchen unless info. LOL

Slidell, Louisiana: Jayne Mansfield's Death Site ... That's the spot: on US Hwy 90, just before the Rigolets Bridge, near a restaurant called the White Kitchen.

I'm not familiar with that Louisiana gambling spot,  Ichi.  I never did business with any location farther west than Bay St. Louis.

But I take issue with the history professor on one point...

Throughout the 1960s, clubs such as the Fiesta, Gus Stevens, the Beach Club, and Mr. Lucky’s all offered games of chance. Back room gambling had not stopped. Across the state and along the Coast, these clubs and other establishments had slot machines and such gambling devices as roulette wheels, even as public opinion was turning against gambling.

Hurricane Camille hit the Mississippi Coast on August 19, 1969, destroying homes and businesses. The gambling industry along the Coast did not recover from the damaging effects of the hurricane, nor did the Coast’s tourist industry.

The illegal slot machine operations continued after the hurricane.  I know because I witnessed it.  Throughout the 70's and 80's,  slot machines were in most of the military service clubs and many other locations.  

I'll relate one story.  A guy connected to the Chicago mob named Bill Dees came down and bought a slot machine route which was based in Gautier but had slots all over the Mississippi Coast.  He thought he was untouchable and refused to make payoffs to the local cops and made a big issue of it.  It wasn't long before the cops were backing up trucks to all his locations and confiscating the slot machines.   Those cops over there were not impressed by tough talking yankee mobsters.  
I was though. I did business with him several times and he scared the shit outta me. lol

Was it Mr Dees or his enforcers that scared the shit out of you?? LOL

Jake92 wrote:Was it Mr Dees or his enforcers that scared the shit out of you??  LOL

It was Dees himself.  Whenever you went into his office you sat in a chair opposite him.  And he always had a loaded gun sitting on his desk with the barrel pointed towards you.  And he looked and acted about as mean as a junkyard dog.  lol

I wasn't afraid of the cops though.  I did a lot of business with a reserve deputy sheriff who lived in Long Beach (west of Gulfport) who was a slot machine mechanic for several of the slot operations.  He told me if I ever got stopped and the cops discovered the slot machines in my vehicle all I had to do was tell them to call him.  lol

LOL... Imagine the money that goes from Escambia County to Biloxi and never comes back, but I do know some people won big there too.. I've heard the owner of Good Time Tours won enough to buy her first few busses when she first started out..