Democrats speak out on Obamacare

Joanimaroni wrote:WASHINGTON — Former President Bill Clinton said that President Obama should honor his oft-repeated pledge and allow people to hang on to health care plans that are being canceled as a result of the Affordable Care Act.


"I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, that the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they've got," Clinton said in an interview at OZY.com published on Tuesday.

The comments from Clinton, who has been a strong supporter of Obama's signature health care legislation, came after Obama said on Thursday that he is sorry that some Americans are losing their current health insurance plans as a result of the ACA, despite his assurances that Americans could keep their insurance plans if they like them.

STORY: Fact check: If you like your health plan, you can keep it



Also...http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/13/top-democrat-joins-push-on-health-plans-after-clinton-obamacare-critique/

cool1 wrote:They should have spoke out way before now.

Nekochan wrote:It's being reported that there are 500 bogus Obamacare websites....be careful!


And this:
No Hope Left for Obamacare’s Website, Techies Say

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/11/13/No-Hope-Left-Obamacare-s-Website-Techies-Say

bizguy wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:WASHINGTON — Former President Bill Clinton said that President Obama should honor his oft-repeated pledge and allow people to hang on to health care plans that are being canceled as a result of the Affordable Care Act.


"I personally believe, even if it takes a change in the law, that the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they've got," Clinton said in an interview at OZY.com published on Tuesday.

The comments from Clinton, who has been a strong supporter of Obama's signature health care legislation, came after Obama said on Thursday that he is sorry that some Americans are losing their current health insurance plans as a result of the ACA, despite his assurances that Americans could keep their insurance plans if they like them.

STORY: Fact check: If you like your health plan, you can keep it



Also...http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/13/top-democrat-joins-push-on-health-plans-after-clinton-obamacare-critique/

Trying to reverse this will be a major undertaking.  Insurance policies are heavily regulated at the state level.  The process of creating new (old) plans and getting them approved by each state Dept of Insurance (DFS in Florida) can take months.  This is what happens when you try to deceive people.

bizguy wrote:As a Democrat, I too will speak out on the imperfect implementation of the PPACA.  Before so doing it is interesting that I am the first Democrat posting on this thread . . . others are using the opportunity to gleefully get their pound of flesh but, I concede, your ire is not unfounded and I get that.



It has nothing to do with 'getting our pound of flesh'.  It has everything to do with the fact that the Obama administration has put millions of people at risk of losing health insurance effective January 1, 2014.  The government has had over 3 years to build, test and implement this website.  They chose to hire a firm that has a failed track record of creating a similar system.  

I will agree with you that the healthcare.gov system is much more complex than the NICS system.  However, private industry has created other online systems significantly more complex than healthcare.gov.  The difference is that those systems were not given a green light to go live until they were fully tested.

knothead wrote:It has nothing to do with 'getting our pound of flesh'

bizguy, generally speaking I will absolutely give you the benefit of the doubt but the majority of posters it is a very accurate statement.  Your other comments are also deserved as well as being spot on and I addressed the debacle we now find ourselves.  There must be a "Next Step" process that should advance to protect those injured by the Act without abandoning the objective which is a noble undertaking (my view). Thanks for a civil reply, I appreciate that.

Nekochan wrote:There is nothing gleeful about this mess.  We will all eventually be affected by it.  It is not going to be just 3% of the people, like some people keep saying.  As if those 3% don't count....they are  struggling now with figuring out what they heck they're going to do to be covered in 6 weeks...and how they will afford it.

bizguy wrote:

knothead wrote:It has nothing to do with 'getting our pound of flesh'

bizguy, generally speaking I will absolutely give you the benefit of the doubt but the majority of posters it is a very accurate statement.  Your other comments are also deserved as well as being spot on and I addressed the debacle we now find ourselves.  There must be a "Next Step" process that should advance to protect those injured by the Act without abandoning the objective which is a noble undertaking (my view). Thanks for a civil reply, I appreciate that.

I too appreciate the civil discourse and I appreciate the fact that you are supportive of the ACA.  I am not.  However, I believe folks that support the law should direct their anger at the Obama administration.  Nothing in the law required implementation on October 1, 2013.  The administration knew well in advance that the system was not ready but still created the rules that forced private insurers to cancel millions of policies.  They put millions of people at risk of having no health insurance coverage on January 1, 2014.  It did not have to come to this.  

Joanimaroni wrote:From the beginning when Obama campaigned in his first election, we needed insurance reform not Obamacare.  When Bill Clinton turned health care over to Hillary, we ended up in an insurance mess. Not unlike now.

As far as being gleeful Knothead, just who are you referrencing?  

As stated there is nothing gleeful about the situation. Nothing gleeful about rushing to pass a health care reform that did not have the plan outlined in detail for the senate and presidential voters. Nothing gleeful about millions losing their insurance. Nothing gleeful about insurance premiums skyrocketing, deductibles doubling and benefits/coverage decreasing. Nothing gleeful about signing a website contract to a Canadian company without accepting bids and knowing what kind of company you are dealing with.......now who is the gleeful person you are talking about?

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:From the beginning when Obama campaigned in his first election, we needed insurance reform not Obamacare.  When Bill Clinton turned health care over to Hillary, we ended up in an insurance mess. Not unlike now.

As far as being gleeful Knothead, just who are you referrencing?  

As stated there is nothing gleeful about the situation. Nothing gleeful about rushing to pass a health care reform that did not have the plan outlined in detail for the senate and presidential voters. Nothing gleeful about millions losing their insurance. Nothing gleeful about insurance premiums skyrocketing, deductibles doubling and benefits/coverage decreasing. Nothing gleeful about signing a website contract to a Canadian company without accepting bids and knowing what kind of company you are dealing with.......now who is the gleeful person you are talking about?

PaceDog, Vector, Markle......  The Obama 'Crash and Burn' folks....

knothead wrote:Those who claim that ObamaCare was 'shoved down their throats' are just in denial about the facts.  Was there wheeling and dealing? . . . well duh! Nothing novel about the methods politicians use to get legislation passed.  Those same types of partisan legislative agendas passed in GOP dominated so-called 'red' states are the norm . . . . legislation that is divisive yet, nevertheless are also shoving partisan agendas down the throats of the opposition so welcome to the wicked world of partisan deal making.  The shoved-down-our-throats mantra is nothing more than sour grapes . . . . both sides do it so enough already with the whining.