If Elizabeth Warren runs, Hillary loses and we win.

gulfbeachbandit wrote:

Bob wrote:

PkrBum wrote:You may be underestimating just how left the dems are heading...

It remains to be seen how left the democrats will be campaigning in 2016.
It will depend on what develops between now and then.
It will depend on the outcome of obamacare,  the performance of the economy,  and whether or not obama's left-leaning foreign policy will be successful or not.

A free chicken in every pot will be the democrat 2016 slogan.

Wordslinger wrote:The race for the next presidency won't be between a republican and a democrat; Christy can't be the republican candidate because he's too human for the hardcore whackos who will elect a confirmed national loser like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, et al.  So the real race will be the primary for the democratic party.  With Hillary, we get another politician firmly in the clutches of Wall Street and the MIC.   A sort of Obama with balls.
But she brings a lot of baggage, including Benghazi, and her disloyal husband.  

On the other hand, Elizabeth Warren has already proved her independence from Wall Street and the corporatist plutocrats.  She's a champion of the middle class, the consumer, and affordable education.  She'll get the women's vote, the youth vote and the progressive vote -- and Hillary must be having nightmares when she considers what Warren could do to her in a national debate.  

And IF somehow Christy did win, Warren would tear him apart on economic issues, women's interests, education, and his nefarious ties to big business.

Go Elizabeth!  It's time we get someone who represents we the people.
Reality

Bob wrote:My opinion has nothing whatever to do with any personal preference. I say this only as an amateur oddsmaker.
I am willing to wager any amount of money that Elizabeth Warren will not get the nomination in a race with Hillary.

Wordslinger wrote:

Bob wrote:My bet has nothing to do with Hillary or any other potential candidate.
Only Elizabeth Warren.  And I'm telling you there is not a chance in hell that she can go through the long primary process,  especially in the south,  and get the nomination.  There would be so much money spent to defeat her that she wouldn't get past South Carolina before she'd have to drop out.
She has no chance to get the nomination,  let alone get elected.

Bob: Warren's funding won't come from Wall Street but from millions of young, progressive democrats.  Her funding will match that of Obama in his first campaign -- millions from millions of supporters.

Hillary is in bed with Wall Street and the existing foreign policy line -- which has sucked zillions from our coffers, murdered thousands of our troops for NOTHING, and is a strong supporter of NAFTA.  Warren is a serious threat.  Something else to consider:  Democrats to the left of Clinton will make or break the election itself.  If Clinton gets the nomination she won't be able to count on progressive support -- and if Christy wins the republican nomination, it will be a race to the wire.

2seaoat wrote:Warren barely won in MA the most liberal state in the nation.   She has zero support in the black community, and Hillary gets spillover from Bill in the same regard.   Warren would however get about 30% of the primary voters without raising a dime because people are frustrated with politics as usual.  Warren will not run, but could seriously be considered as a VP choice, unless Biden wants the gig for another 8 years.

Wordslinger makes one big mistake.   Warren is not the smartest person in the room and she did not do well in the debates in MA.  She has zero appeal to the midwest, south and west.   She is a beltway liberal who does not sell in most of America.  She makes less sense than Randy Paul.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:The American people were gullible enough to elect an unqualified Black man twice and suffer the consequences now with equal dull stupidity they got to have a woman....Gluttons for punishment.....Got to get that boat and head for coconut rat Island....

Floridatexan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Warren barely won in MA the most liberal state in the nation.   She has zero support in the black community, and Hillary gets spillover from Bill in the same regard.   Warren would however get about 30% of the primary voters without raising a dime because people are frustrated with politics as usual.  Warren will not run, but could seriously be considered as a VP choice, unless Biden wants the gig for another 8 years.

Wordslinger makes one big mistake.   Warren is not the smartest person in the room and she did not do well in the debates in MA.  She has zero appeal to the midwest, south and west.   She is a beltway liberal who does not sell in most of America.  She makes less sense than Randy Paul.

You are completely underestimating Elizabeth Warren.  She has broad appeal because she is knowledgeable and articulate...I don't care what part of the country she calls home.  But of course you thought Newt Gingrich had something going for him...even after the utter disgrace he made of himself in the 90's.  I doubt, though, that Mrs. Warren has seriously considered the Oval Office.  I think she's more focused on reigning in the financial sector.  But make no mistake...she is a viable candidate.  Rand Paul, BTW, is a joke.

Floridatexan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Warren barely won in MA the most liberal state in the nation.   She has zero support in the black community, and Hillary gets spillover from Bill in the same regard.   Warren would however get about 30% of the primary voters without raising a dime because people are frustrated with politics as usual.  Warren will not run, but could seriously be considered as a VP choice, unless Biden wants the gig for another 8 years.

Wordslinger makes one big mistake.   Warren is not the smartest person in the room and she did not do well in the debates in MA.  She has zero appeal to the midwest, south and west.   She is a beltway liberal who does not sell in most of America.  She makes less sense than Randy Paul.

You are completely underestimating Elizabeth Warren.  She has broad appeal because she is knowledgeable and articulate...I don't care what part of the country she calls home.  But of course you thought Newt Gingrich had something going for him...even after the utter disgrace he made of himself in the 90's.  I doubt, though, that Mrs. Warren has seriously considered the Oval Office.  I think she's more focused on reigning in the financial sector.  But make no mistake...she is a viable candidate.  Rand Paul, BTW, is a joke.

Sal wrote:"Where are we now on the "Too Big to Fail" problem? Where are we on making sure that the behemoth institutions on Wall Street can't bring down the economy with a wild gamble? Where are we in ending a system that lets investors and CEOs scoop up all the profits in good times, but forces taxpayers to cover the losses in bad times? After the crisis, there was a lot of discussion about how Too Big to Fail distorted the marketplace, creating lower borrowing costs for the largest institutions and competitive disadvantages for smaller ones. There was talk about moral hazard and the dangers of big banks getting a free, unwritten, government-guaranteed insurance policy.Sure, there was talk, but look at what happened: Today, the four biggest banks are 30% larger than they were five years ago. And the five largest banks now hold more than half of the total banking assets in the country. One study earlier this year showed that the Too Big to Fail status is giving the 10 biggest US banks an annual taxpayer subsidy of $83 billion."    

"We should not accept a financial system that allows the biggest banks to emerge from a crisis in record-setting shape while working Americans continue to struggle."

"And we should not accept a regulatory system that is so besieged by lobbyists for the big banks that it takes years to deliver rules and then the rules that are delivered are often watered-down and ineffective. What we need is a system that puts an end to the boom and bust cycle. A system that recognizes we don't grow this country from the financial sector; we grow this country from the middle class.Powerful interests will fight to hang on to every benefit and subsidy they now enjoy. Even after exploiting consumers, larding their books with excessive risk, and making bad bets that brought down the economy and forced taxpayer bailouts, the big Wall Street banks are not chastened.They have fought to delay and hamstring the implementation of financial reform, and they will continue to fight every inch of the way."

- Senator Elizabeth Warren 11/12/2013

Meanwhile, Hillary is whoring for every dime she can scrape from Wall Street.

Elizabeth Warren is not running, but if she were, she'd get my vote for damned sure.