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Second quarter GDP revised up to 2.5%. Jobless claims still near recovery lows. Second quarter profits top out at a record high $1.830 trillion.

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Markle wrote:Yes, you posted facts and I posted the MEANING of those very figures as articulated by the far lefts favorite Progressive economist, Paul Krugman.  The year was different, but the figures are the same.
You didn't post the meaning of my figures. You posted a snippet from a Paul Krugman opinion piece discussing the economy of a decade ago. That you can't seem to wrap your head around this, and that you can't seem to discuss or form any original opinions about anything on your own and instead defer to your copy-and-paste word file, which often is completely irrelevant, is not my problem.


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boards, why are you still trying to carry on this charade? You're smarter than this.

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boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:Yes, you posted facts and I posted the MEANING of those very figures as articulated by the far lefts favorite Progressive economist, Paul Krugman.  The year was different, but the figures are the same.
You didn't post the meaning of my figures.  You posted a snippet from a Paul Krugman opinion piece discussing the economy of a decade ago.  That you can't seem to wrap your head around this, and that you can't seem to discuss or form any original opinions about anything on your own and instead defer to your copy-and-paste word file, which often is completely irrelevant, is not my problem.
Obviously this is something contrary to what you WANT to believe and therefore incomprehensible. I get that.

You boasted of a GNP of 2.5% and cheered about the economic growth.

It is a well accepted FACT that we need at least 3.0+% for the economy to be in a growth cycle.

Back in the last administration far left's Progressive HERO Dr. Paul Krugman said this about a much HIGHER GNP we have today. PLEASE show me where the figures I...and Paul Krugman are discussing is not true.


On October 31, 2003 this is what your Paul Krugman said about the current [Third quarter of 2003] 3.1% growth rate at the Liberal Oasis.


From the former adviser to ENRON and Socialist darling, of the far, far left, Paul Krugman. This from October 31, 2003. Wow…talk about a different tune today. For reference, the GDP for 2011 was 1.7%. The GDP for the third quarter of 2012 was 3.1%, the second quarter for 2013 was revised up to 2.5% that is A SHRINKING ECONOMY. The Obama Administration is “forecasting” 3.2% by 2013. What did Paul Krugman say about such a rate of growth. [Oops…not even close]

Now please read carefully what far left economist Paul Krugman had to say about that rate of growth when a REPUBLICAN was in the Oval Office.



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Progressives and Democrats may want to revisit the LiberalOasis interview with Paul Krugman from August 2003, after the last GDP number was released:


LiberalOasis: Second quarter GDP was just revised to 3.1% annual rate of growth [2003] . That’s near the point where many economists say job creation will kick in. Does that mean the economy is turning around, and Bush can credit the tax cuts for doing it?


Paul Krugman: Well, it’s quite possible that we will see some positive job growth. But, I still don’t see anything in there that says we’re going to have jobs growing fast enough to keep up with the growth in the population, let alone make up all the ground that’s been lost.


And the main thing to say is: gosh, if you let me run a 500 billion dollar deficit, [President Barack Hussein Obama’s has been over $1.2 TRILLION EACH YEAR FOR FOUR YEARS] I could create a whole lot of jobs. That's roughly [$500 BILLION DEFICIT] equal to the wages of 10 million average workers.


So the fact that we've managed to go from a 200 billion surplus to a 500 billion deficit, while losing three million jobs, is actually a pretty poor verdict on the policy.
http://www.liberaloasis.com/krugman.htm

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PLEASE show us all ANYTHING I posted which is not true. If Dr. Krugman was being honest in his statement, would that same statement NOT be true about WORSE figures today?

Keep in mind that the GDP averaged 4.7% during the administration of President George Walker Bush and the GDP continued to GROW after Dr. Krugman made the above, pessimistic statement. As you know too, the rate of unemployment continued to DECREASE. Although it was never as high as it has been for the entire administration of President Barack Hussein Obama.

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Markle wrote:PLEASE show us all ANYTHING I posted which is not true.  If Dr. Krugman was being honest in his statement, would that same statement NOT be true about WORSE figures today?
All you did was repost your snippet from an opinion piece by Paul Krugman.

Here again, you're only showing that you have no thoughts or words of your own to offer.  Reposting the same BS doesn't make it any more relevant or change anything from my original post in any way.


Markle wrote:Keep in mind that the GDP averaged 4.7% during the administration of President George Walker Bush and the GDP continued to GROW after Dr. Krugman made the above, pessimistic statement.
Ah.  The one time Markle decides to go off-script, he posts completely made up BS.  GDP averaged 2.1% during the Bush administration.

GDP (2009 chained dollars)

2001 - 1.0
2002 - 1.8
2003 - 2.8
2004 - 3.8
2005 - 3.4
2006 - 2.7
2007 - 1.8
2008 - -0.3

Average = 2.1

These are the numbers.  There is no need to post opinion pieces or any other fodder from your talking points vault.  These are the numbers.

http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp


Markle wrote:  As you know too, the rate of unemployment continued to DECREASE.  Although it was never as high as it has been for the entire administration of President Barack Hussein Obama.
Bush inherited an unemployment rate of 4.2% and handed off an unemployment rate of 7.8%.  

There were 111,713,000 private sector jobs when Bush took office and 111,048,000 when he left.  

Here again, no need to post opinion pieces from 2003 from your copy-and-paste vault.  These are the numbers.

Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 7.8%.  Today the unemployment rate is 7.4%

There were 111,048,000 private sector jobs when Obama took office.  Today, there are 114,186,000.


So to sum this all up:  1)  Your 4.7% average GDP figure during the Bush years is simply wrong.  Rrrrreally really wrong.  The correct figure is 2.1% - which, is less than our current 2.5%.  2) Going off script apparently isn't good for you. 3) Our labor market was obviously crippled during the Bush administration, regardless of how you try and paint it.  Off the top of my head, and I confess I could be wrong here, I suspect Bush is probably the only president in US history to ever see an actual decrease in private sector jobs during an 8 year time in office.  4) What?  Isn't there anything in your copy-and-paste vault that pertains to weekly jobless claims or corporate profits? I realize you aren't equipped to talk about these things on your own, but don't you at least have some sort of canned BS that you can respond with?


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boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:PLEASE show us all ANYTHING I posted which is not true.  If Dr. Krugman was being honest in his statement, would that same statement NOT be true about WORSE figures today?
All you did was repost your snippet from an opinion piece by Paul Krugman.

Here again, you're only showing that you have no thoughts or words of your own to offer.  Reposting the same BS doesn't make it any more relevant or change anything from my original post in any way.


Markle wrote:Keep in mind that the GDP averaged 4.7% during the administration of President George Walker Bush and the GDP continued to GROW after Dr. Krugman made the above, pessimistic statement.
Ah.  The one time Markle decides to go off-script, he posts completely made up BS.  GDP averaged 2.1% during the Bush administration.

GDP (2009 chained dollars)

2001 - 1.0
2002 - 1.8
2003 - 2.8
2004 - 3.8
2005 - 3.4
2006 - 2.7
2007 - 1.8
2008 - -0.3

Average = 2.1

These are the numbers.  There is no need to post opinion pieces or any other fodder from your talking points vault.  These are the numbers.

http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp


Markle wrote:  As you know too, the rate of unemployment continued to DECREASE.  Although it was never as high as it has been for the entire administration of President Barack Hussein Obama.
Bush inherited an unemployment rate of 4.2% and handed off an unemployment rate of 7.8%.  

There were 111,713,000 private sector jobs when Bush took office and 111,048,000 when he left.  

Here again, no need to post opinion pieces from 2003 from your copy-and-paste vault.  These are the numbers.

Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 7.8%.  Today the unemployment rate is 7.4%

There were 111,048,000 private sector jobs when Obama took office.  Today, there are 114,186,000.


So to sum this all up:  1)  Your 4.7% average GDP figure during the Bush years is simply wrong.  Rrrrreally really wrong.  The correct figure is 2.1% - which, is less than our current 2.5%.  2) Going off script apparently isn't good for you. 3) Our labor market was obviously crippled during the Bush administration, regardless of how you try and paint it.  Off the top of my head, and I confess I could be wrong here, I suspect Bush is probably the only president in US history to ever see an actual decrease in private sector jobs during an 8 year time in office.  4) What?  Isn't there anything in your copy-and-paste vault that pertains to weekly jobless claims or corporate profits?  I realize you aren't equipped to talk about these things on your own, but don't you at least have some sort of canned BS that you can respond with?
As you know, the GDP posted quarterly is NOT in chained dollars. Come back when you wish to compare apples with apples.

Thank you.

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Markle wrote:As you know, the GDP posted quarterly is NOT in chained dollars.  Come back when you wish to compare apples with apples.

Thank you.

Wrong again.  Stay on script, Markle!  Stay on script!  Speaking for yourself doesn't suit you on these forums! There must be some copy-and-paste blurb you could have responded with other than trying to post your own thoughts! That's dangerous, man!


http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp


Current dollar quarterly GDP % change:

2012q1 - 5.8
2012q2 - 3.0
2012q3 - 4.9
2012q4 - 1.6
2013q1 - 2.8
2013q2 - 3.2

2009 chained dollar GDP % change:

2012q1 - 3.7
2012q2 - 1.2
2012q3 - 2.8
2012q4 - 0.1
2013q1 - 1.1
2013q2 - 2.5

The recently reported GDP figure was 2.5%.  Which set of numbers were used, Markle?  Current or 2009 chained?


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Markle wrote:As you know, the GDP posted quarterly is NOT in chained dollars.  Come back when you wish to compare apples with apples.

Thank you.
Wrong again.  Stay on script, Markle!  Stay on script!  Speaking for yourself doesn't suit you on these forums!  There must be some copy-and-paste blurb you could have responded with other than trying to post your own thoughts!  That's dangerous, man!


http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp


Current dollar quarterly GDP % change:

2012q1 - 5.8
2012q2 - 3.0
2012q3 - 4.9
2012q4 - 1.6
2013q1 - 2.8
2013q2 - 3.2

2009 chained dollar GDP % change:

2012q1 - 3.7
2012q2 - 1.2
2012q3 - 2.8
2012q4 - 0.1
2013q1 - 1.1
2013q2 - 2.5

The recently reported GDP figure was 2.5%.  Which set of numbers were used, Markle?  Current or 2009 chained?
You are 100% correct about the quarterly figures and I am wrong.

HOWEVER, my comparison of the GDP from 2003 and today concerning Paul Krugman's statements about growth and unemployment are 100% accurate.

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:I read them and he counters you every time with facts.

Markle wrote:You are 100% correct about the quarterly figures and I am wrong.

There you go, PACEDOG. Are we good here?


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Markle wrote:You are 100% correct about the quarterly figures and I am wrong.

HOWEVER, my comparison of the GDP from 2003 and today concerning Paul Krugman's statements about growth and unemployment are 100% accurate.
In what way is your comparison accurate?  Let's have a look at this and then see if you have anything in your copy-and-paste vault that is relevant.

Bush's situation:

2000q2 - 7.8
2000q3 - 0.5
2000q4 - 2.1
2001q1 - -1.1

Obama's situation:

2008q2 - 2.0
2008q3 - -2.0
2008q4 - -8.3
2009q1 - -5.4

Clearly Obama's situation was much much worse.  Bush employed deficit spending in his situation and oversaw a net loss in private sector jobs.  Obama employed deficit spending and has overseen the creation of millions of private sector jobs and was dealing with a much worse economy than Bush.  

Now you're giving me an opinion piece from your copy-and-paste vault from 2003 and telling me that it has any relevance to today's economy?  You're telling me that that opinion piece is just as relevant in the context of today's economy as it was in 2003?  How?  Can you elaborate on that?  Use the figures and the facts that I just gave you and see if you can hammer them into some theoretical explanation or framing that shows these two periods to be a "100% accurate comparison".


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