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26Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/16/2013, 10:30 pm

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Every voter is registered by the Supervisor of Elections.  There's no reason to impose any other restrictions on voters, except if the goal is to disenfranchise them.  One lady in NC said, although she had voted in every election her entire adult life, she was born in a small town at home and had no birth certificate.  Many seniors don't drive and have no need for a driver's license.  The requirement that they get a state ID is an undue and harsh burden for some and amounts to a poll tax on those who want to continue voting as they've always done.  And the ONLY reason to purge voter rolls or stiffen voting requirements is the GOP, a failing and irrelevant party whose only recourse at this stage is to CHEAT.
 Do you show ID to vote?
That's funny...of course I do because Florida enacted a voter suppression...um, ID law.  I've voted in the same voter precinct since 1980.
Have you been denied voting?

27Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/16/2013, 10:37 pm

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/10/the-ballot-cops/309085/

ELECTION 2012OCTOBER 2012
The Ballot Cops
"Thirty years ago, the Republican National Committee was accused of violating the Voting Rights Act and ordered to cease its “ballot security” efforts. Now an organization called True the Vote wants to pick up where the RNC left off, by building a nationwide army to root out voter fraud—or, some would say, to suppress voter turnout..."
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28Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/16/2013, 10:40 pm

Guest


Guest

knothead wrote:
. wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:The noose is slowly tightening around the neck of the GOP whether it be voter purges, immigration, women's right of choice, a fairer tax code are only some of the issues that will eventually choke the life out of these current GOPers and it is my hope I live to see them come back to a moderate old fashioned Ike era party.  
IDs have been required since I started voting in 1981. There were ID requirements before that time as well. How is a poll worker to know who you are or even if you are registered to vote unless you show ID? What do you think a voter ID card is for? WTH?
A voter card should be plenty of ID, because it indicates that a person has registered with the local supervisor of elections.  The signature on the card should match the signature on the voter rolls.  That's how it was always done.  
Picture ID is better. Anyone can roll up with a card and pretend it is them. And unless you have a calligraphy expert at every poll watching every old person voter booth worker, it's suspect to fraud. PIC ID IS WAY TO GO. Take a couple bucks out of their welfare checks to pay for the ID.
Which might be a valid argument, except that the incidences of actual voter fraud are almost nil.  This is nothing more than the new Jim Crow...designed to nullify voter rights and give advantage to an increasingly irrelevant political party that shamelessly devotes all time and energy to serving the needs of the corporate state and the MIC, to the detriment of the vast majority of our citizens.

How convenient of you to ignore what  said.

how is using a picture ID against poor blacks?

many poor blacks are on welfare and YOU HVE TO HVE ID to be ON WELFARE/FOOD STAMPS.

and also there are MORE POOR WHITES in this country than poor blacks by numbers. so who again is being discriminated against?  
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Can't provide a link but my gut tells me that poor whites do not turn out to vote like blacks . . . .
Im not sure what your getting at but youre probably right. It doesn't make those MORE POOR WHITES any less significant or important though does it?

29Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/16/2013, 10:46 pm

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:The noose is slowly tightening around the neck of the GOP whether it be voter purges, immigration, women's right of choice, a fairer tax code are only some of the issues that will eventually choke the life out of these current GOPers and it is my hope I live to see them come back to a moderate old fashioned Ike era party.  
IDs have been required since I started voting in 1981. There were ID requirements before that time as well. How is a poll worker to know who you are or even if you are registered to vote unless you show ID? What do you think a voter ID card is for? WTH?
A voter card should be plenty of ID, because it indicates that a person has registered with the local supervisor of elections.  The signature on the card should match the signature on the voter rolls.  That's how it was always done.  
Picture ID is better. Anyone can roll up with a card and pretend it is them. And unless you have a calligraphy expert at every poll watching every old person voter booth worker, it's suspect to fraud. PIC ID IS WAY TO GO. Take a couple bucks out of their welfare checks to pay for the ID.
Which might be a valid argument, except that the incidences of actual voter fraud are almost nil.  This is nothing more than the new Jim Crow...designed to nullify voter rights and give advantage to an increasingly irrelevant political party that shamelessly devotes all time and energy to serving the needs of the corporate state and the MIC, to the detriment of the vast majority of our citizens.
We have a secret ballot. Without ID, how would we know if there is voter fraud?

Do you deny that Voter Registration fraud was/is rampant with ACORN?

With 1,000 fraudulent voter registrations, what keeps those who filed those registrations from having people vote in those names?

30Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 10:54 am

Guest


Guest

AGAIN! How does voter ID suppress POOR BLACKS?

Although black, American Indian, and Hispanic children are disproportionately low income, whites comprise the largest group of all low-income children and Hispanics make up the largest group of poor children under 18 years old.

31 percent of white children – 12.1 million – live in low-income families.
65 percent of black children – 6.5 million – live in low-income families.
32 percent of Asian children – 1 million – live in low-income families.
63 percent of American Indian children – 0.4 million – live in low-income families.
45 percent of children of some other race – 1.4 million – live in low-income families.
65 percent of Hispanic children – 11 million – live in low-income families.


Can you not debate on FACTS?

31Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 11:17 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Markle wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:The noose is slowly tightening around the neck of the GOP whether it be voter purges, immigration, women's right of choice, a fairer tax code are only some of the issues that will eventually choke the life out of these current GOPers and it is my hope I live to see them come back to a moderate old fashioned Ike era party.  
IDs have been required since I started voting in 1981. There were ID requirements before that time as well. How is a poll worker to know who you are or even if you are registered to vote unless you show ID? What do you think a voter ID card is for? WTH?
A voter card should be plenty of ID, because it indicates that a person has registered with the local supervisor of elections.  The signature on the card should match the signature on the voter rolls.  That's how it was always done.  
Picture ID is better. Anyone can roll up with a card and pretend it is them. And unless you have a calligraphy expert at every poll watching every old person voter booth worker, it's suspect to fraud. PIC ID IS WAY TO GO. Take a couple bucks out of their welfare checks to pay for the ID.
Which might be a valid argument, except that the incidences of actual voter fraud are almost nil.  This is nothing more than the new Jim Crow...designed to nullify voter rights and give advantage to an increasingly irrelevant political party that shamelessly devotes all time and energy to serving the needs of the corporate state and the MIC, to the detriment of the vast majority of our citizens.
We have a secret ballot.  Without ID, how would we know if there is voter fraud?

Do you deny that Voter Registration fraud was/is rampant with ACORN?

With 1,000 fraudulent voter registrations, what keeps those who filed those registrations from having people vote in those names?
Yes, Marklebot, I do deny that ACORN was promoting voter fraud.  ACORN was acquitted of all charges, but not before your little white collar criminal ruined their reputation based on a fake, doctored video.  Now let's talk about Diebold...or whatever they're calling themselves nowadays...and the rampant ELECTRONIC VOTER FRAUD of the GOP.  

32Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 11:30 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Part 2:

33Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 12:41 pm

Guest


Guest

77% of all people want voter ID.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/voter-id-laws-71-percent-_n_1962047.html

True the vote.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

The only people who support not having a voter ID are those who want to engage in voter fraud. And you've already been put in your place with regards to race being a factor.

So whats your real problem with it?

I suspect you really don't have a issue with it, you just spew whatever talking points your masters tell you to.

34Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 1:07 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

. wrote:77% of all people want voter ID.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/voter-id-laws-71-percent-_n_1962047.html

True the vote.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

The only people who support not having a voter ID are those who want to engage in voter fraud. And you've already been put in your place with regards to race being a factor.

So whats your real problem with it?

I suspect you really don't have a issue with it, you just spew whatever talking points your masters tell you to.
I feel sorry for you because you're so obviously ignorant and stupid.

Those videos I posted are from a 7-part series; I suggest you watch all of them and then tell me how I was "put in my place". You're not capable of that, BTW.

35Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 1:16 pm

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
. wrote:77% of all people want voter ID.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/voter-id-laws-71-percent-_n_1962047.html

True the vote.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

The only people who support not having a voter ID are those who want to engage in voter fraud. And you've already been put in your place with regards to race being a factor.

So whats your real problem with it?

I suspect you really don't have a issue with it, you just spew whatever talking points your masters tell you to.
I feel sorry for you because you're so obviously ignorant and stupid.

Those videos I posted are from a 7-part series; I suggest you watch all of them and then tell me how I was "put in my place".  You're not capable of that, BTW.  

lol! 

Now we all know better than that.

You've been shown that there are more white poor people than black which blows your theory of black voter suppression out of the water.

You've been shown that the majority of Americans want the vote to be trued by using voter ID's.

Oh, I think the facts speak for themselves. Smile 

36Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 2:23 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

. wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
. wrote:77% of all people want voter ID.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/voter-id-laws-71-percent-_n_1962047.html

True the vote.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

The only people who support not having a voter ID are those who want to engage in voter fraud. And you've already been put in your place with regards to race being a factor.

So whats your real problem with it?

I suspect you really don't have a issue with it, you just spew whatever talking points your masters tell you to.
I feel sorry for you because you're so obviously ignorant and stupid.

Those videos I posted are from a 7-part series; I suggest you watch all of them and then tell me how I was "put in my place".  You're not capable of that, BTW.  
lol! 

Now we all know better than that.

You've been shown that there are more white poor people than black which blows your theory of black voter suppression out of the water.

You've been shown that the majority of Americans want the vote to be trued by using voter ID's.

Oh, I think the facts speak for themselves. Smile 

Your statistic is 71% of LATINO VOTERS...not 71% of ALL voters, as you claim. See for yourself.

And the organization known as "true the vote" originated in Houston, TX and is an arm of the GOP designed to intimidate and mislead potential Democratic voters, if the electronic fraud, voter caging, etc. isn't enough to change the outcomes. I know you won't watch the actual evidence presented about the electronic voter fraud in Florida...and other states...or any other evidence that your precious party regularly and systematically cheats in every election.

37Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 3:26 pm

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
. wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
. wrote:77% of all people want voter ID.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/voter-id-laws-71-percent-_n_1962047.html

True the vote.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

The only people who support not having a voter ID are those who want to engage in voter fraud. And you've already been put in your place with regards to race being a factor.

So whats your real problem with it?

I suspect you really don't have a issue with it, you just spew whatever talking points your masters tell you to.
I feel sorry for you because you're so obviously ignorant and stupid.

Those videos I posted are from a 7-part series; I suggest you watch all of them and then tell me how I was "put in my place".  You're not capable of that, BTW.  
lol! 

Now we all know better than that.

You've been shown that there are more white poor people than black which blows your theory of black voter suppression out of the water.

You've been shown that the majority of Americans want the vote to be trued by using voter ID's.

Oh, I think the facts speak for themselves. Smile 

Your statistic is 71% of LATINO VOTERS...not 71% of ALL voters, as you claim.  See for yourself.  

And the organization known as "true the vote" originated in Houston, TX and is an arm of the GOP designed to intimidate and mislead potential Democratic voters, if the electronic fraud, voter caging, etc. isn't enough to change the outcomes.  I know you won't watch the actual evidence presented about the electronic voter fraud in Florida...and other states...or any other evidence that your precious party regularly and systematically cheats in every election.
You're so stupid. Even other DEms know you folks cheat in elections and they posted it on youtube.

38Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 3:40 pm

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
Markle wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:The noose is slowly tightening around the neck of the GOP whether it be voter purges, immigration, women's right of choice, a fairer tax code are only some of the issues that will eventually choke the life out of these current GOPers and it is my hope I live to see them come back to a moderate old fashioned Ike era party.  
IDs have been required since I started voting in 1981. There were ID requirements before that time as well. How is a poll worker to know who you are or even if you are registered to vote unless you show ID? What do you think a voter ID card is for? WTH?
A voter card should be plenty of ID, because it indicates that a person has registered with the local supervisor of elections.  The signature on the card should match the signature on the voter rolls.  That's how it was always done.  
Picture ID is better. Anyone can roll up with a card and pretend it is them. And unless you have a calligraphy expert at every poll watching every old person voter booth worker, it's suspect to fraud. PIC ID IS WAY TO GO. Take a couple bucks out of their welfare checks to pay for the ID.
Which might be a valid argument, except that the incidences of actual voter fraud are almost nil.  This is nothing more than the new Jim Crow...designed to nullify voter rights and give advantage to an increasingly irrelevant political party that shamelessly devotes all time and energy to serving the needs of the corporate state and the MIC, to the detriment of the vast majority of our citizens.
We have a secret ballot.  Without ID, how would we know if there is voter fraud?

Do you deny that Voter Registration fraud was/is rampant with ACORN?

With 1,000 fraudulent voter registrations, what keeps those who filed those registrations from having people vote in those names?
Yes, Marklebot, I do deny that ACORN was promoting voter fraud.  ACORN was acquitted of all charges, but not before your little white collar criminal ruined their reputation based on a fake, doctored video.  Now let's talk about Diebold...or whatever they're calling themselves nowadays...and the rampant ELECTRONIC VOTER FRAUD of the GOP.  

ACORN was/is one of the most corrupt associations in the country. They were found guilty of voter registration fraud all over the country. You must be living in a parallel universe.

39Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 3:47 pm

Guest


Guest

ACORN fraud found out:

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/04/18/acorn-convicted-in-massive-voter-fraud-conspiracy-legacy-media-yawns/


More:
http://spectator.org/blog/2011/04/15/acorn-obamas-favorite-gangster

40Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 3:58 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


"...While Republicans in Congress, who for years had accused ACORN of corruption, used the phony tapes to lead an effort to successfully strip the group of federal funding in 2009. Months later the group was exonerated from any wrongdoing by every official and independent investigation..."

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/06/15-7

41Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/17/2013, 4:07 pm

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
"...While Republicans in Congress, who for years had accused ACORN of corruption, used the phony tapes to lead an effort to successfully strip the group of federal funding in 2009. Months later the group was exonerated from any wrongdoing by every official and independent investigation..."

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/06/15-7

Recent Fraud


State   Year   Details  

AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.

CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.

 2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.

CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.

FL 2009 In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.

 2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.

 2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.

IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.

MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.

2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.

MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.

2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.

2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.  

2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.

MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.

NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.

2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.  

NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.

2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local
sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”

 2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.

 2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.

OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.

2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.

2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.

PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.

2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.

2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.

2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

TX 2008 In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.

2008 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.

VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."  

WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

WI 2008 At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.

2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html


Court upholds conviction in ACORN voter registration case

By Cy Ryan (contact)

Thursday, Oct. 4, 2012 | 12:23 p.m.

CARSON CITY — The Nevada Supreme Court has upheld the so-called “blackjack” law that makes it illegal to pay canvassers based on the number of people they get to register to vote.

The law does not a violate the constitutional right to free speech, the court ruled.

It upheld the conviction of Amy Adele Busefink, who was hired in 2008 in Las Vegas by the now defunct Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — ACORN — to help people register to vote.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/oct/04/court-upholds-conviction-acorn-voter-registration-/


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Nevada Judge Calls ACORN 'Reprehensible,' Slaps Group With Maximum Fine for Voter Fraud

By Eric Shawn
Published August 10, 2011
FoxNews.com

A Nevada judge on Wednesday gave ACORN, the defunct grass-roots community organization, the maximum fine for its illegal voter-registration scheme in that state.

District Court Judge Donald Mosley was blunt and unsparing in his criticism of the discredited activist group. Citing the long history of voter registration fraud allegations that engulfed ACORN across the country, he slapped the group with a $5,000 fine for violating Nevada election law during the 2008 presidential election.

Mosley, reading the pre-sentence report, listed a series of voter registration fraud allegations against ACORN workers. He said that if the claims have been true, then "It is making a mockery of our election process. If I had an individual in this courtroom...who was responsible for this kind of thing, I would put that person in prison for 10 years, hard time, and not think twice about it," he said. "To me this is reprehensible. This is the kind of thing you see in some banana republic, Uruguay or someplace, not in the United States."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/10/judge-gives-maximum-and-fines-acorn-5000-for-illegal-voter-registration-scheme/#ixzz2cG9GABhZ

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ACORN Convicted In Massive Voter Fraud Conspiracy, Legacy Media Yawns

by Matthew Vadum
Posted on April 18 2011 1:33 pm

If a radical group closely associated with the president of the United States and known for its efforts to undermine American democracy were convicted in a massive voter fraud conspiracy you’d expect to hear something about it from the mainstream media, wouldn’t you? Wrong. Except for the odd FoxNews.com report and a few local reports there has been a media blackout.

On April 6 the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), that is, the organization itself as opposed to its employees, was convicted in Las Vegas of felony “compensation” for registration of voters. Sentencing is scheduled for August 10. Nevada forbids compensating voter registration canvassers because it creates a financial incentive for fraudulent or sloppy registrations.

Significantly, this is the first time ACORN itself has been convicted of a crime. The fact that the nonprofit entity was found guilty strongly suggests that ACORN’s ambitious voter-fraud schemes were sanctioned at the highest levels.

The conviction came after the 2008 election cycle during which Las Vegas ACORN officials emptied the local jails to fill voter registration canvasser slots and even put individuals convicted of identity theft in charge of the registration drive. At least they hired experts, some locals quipped, according to John Fund of the Wall Street Journal.

Mickey Mouse, Mary Poppins and celebrities living and dead have been registered to vote over and over again precisely because ACORN has been allowed to get away with polluting the nation’s voter rolls for so long.

But this is not the first time that ACORN has found itself in legal hot water. In 2010 ACORN settled a racketeering lawsuit in Ohio out of court and agreed to withdraw from the state. In the settlement with the Buckeye Institute’s 1851 Center for Constitutional Law, ACORN agreed to “cease all Ohio activity” and surrender all its state business licenses.

As Judicial Watch reports, “The group has been busted for forging voter registration applications in key battleground states and submitting falsified forms in more than half a dozen others. In 2007, ACORN settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State after seven workers were caught submitting about 2,000 fake registration forms.” Moreover, there are scores of ACORN employees who have been convicted of election fraud.

Read more: http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/04/18/acorn-convicted-in-massive-voter-fraud-conspiracy-legacy-media-yawns/

Floridatexan...more?

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Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
. wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
. wrote:77% of all people want voter ID.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/voter-id-laws-71-percent-_n_1962047.html

True the vote.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

The only people who support not having a voter ID are those who want to engage in voter fraud. And you've already been put in your place with regards to race being a factor.

So whats your real problem with it?

I suspect you really don't have a issue with it, you just spew whatever talking points your masters tell you to.
I feel sorry for you because you're so obviously ignorant and stupid.

Those videos I posted are from a 7-part series; I suggest you watch all of them and then tell me how I was "put in my place".  You're not capable of that, BTW.  
lol! 

Now we all know better than that.

You've been shown that there are more white poor people than black which blows your theory of black voter suppression out of the water.

You've been shown that the majority of Americans want the vote to be trued by using voter ID's.

Oh, I think the facts speak for themselves. Smile 

Your statistic is 71% of LATINO VOTERS...not 71% of ALL voters, as you claim.  See for yourself.  

And the organization known as "true the vote" originated in Houston, TX and is an arm of the GOP designed to intimidate and mislead potential Democratic voters, if the electronic fraud, voter caging, etc. isn't enough to change the outcomes.  I know you won't watch the actual evidence presented about the electronic voter fraud in Florida...and other states...or any other evidence that your precious party regularly and systematically cheats in every election.
How sad you are. You cant even read the leftwing Huffington post correctly.

You have no argument on this issue. Now be a big girl and go find another ridiculous soros funded topic for us to giggle about.Smile 

43Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/18/2013, 11:08 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.thenation.com/blog/167217/voter-fraud-fraud#

As President Obama spoke about Representative Paul Ryan’s budget yesterday, Fox News broke away from the president’s remarks to cover “a stunning case in South Bend, Indiana.” The story covered an indictment by the St. Joseph County prosecutor’s office alleging that local Democratic officials forged signatures to get Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards on the Indiana Democratic Primary ballot in 2008. “Indiana State Police investigators identified a total of 22 petitions that appeared to be faked, yet sailed through the Voter Registration Board as legitimate documents,” Fox reported. Eric Shawn, of the Fox News Voter Fraud Unit, said that a local election worker was “ordered to forge presidential petitions for Barack Obama, illegally faking the names and signatures of unsuspecting voters to put the then-Illinois senator on the presidential primary ballot.”

The new report will no doubt underscore the belief among Fox News viewers that Obama was illegitimately elected in 2008. According to a 2009 poll by Public Policy Polling, “52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately.” Conservative commenters are pointing to the indictment as further proof of rampant voter fraud and more evidence of the need for voter ID laws nationwide.

There are at least two major problems with this argument.

Number one: there’s no evidence that the alleged forgeries played a decisive role in getting the Democratic candidates on the Indiana ballot in 2008 or determining the outcome of the primary or general election. “No one could seriously argue there wasn’t enough popular support for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to justify their appearance on the primary ballot, or that it had any effect on the primary results, or any vaguely remote effect on the general election,” writes Ed Kilgore of The Washington Monthly. “So maybe this was ‘election fraud’ in the broadest sense of the term, but hardly ‘voter fraud.’”

Number two: Indiana’s voter ID law, passed in 2008 and the model for the nine states that have adopted similar laws since the 2010 election, did nothing to prevent the alleged signature fraud, nor did it stop Indiana’s Republican Secretary of State, Charlie White, from committing felony voter fraud in the 2010 election. (White was sentenced to a year of home detention on felony fraud convictions.)

Indeed, the Indiana indictment reinforces how thin the conservative case about voter fraud really is and why voter ID laws are a misguided solution to a miniscule problem. As I reported in Rolling Stone last fall:

A major probe by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 failed to prosecute a single person for going to the polls and impersonating an eligible voter, which the anti-fraud laws are supposedly designed to stop. Out of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud – and many of the cases involved immigrants and former felons who were simply unaware of their ineligibility. A much-hyped investigation in Wisconsin, meanwhile, led to the prosecution of only .0007 percent of the local electorate for alleged voter fraud. "Our democracy is under siege from an enemy so small it could be hiding anywhere," joked Stephen Colbert. A 2007 report by the Brennan Center for Justice, a leading advocate for voting rights at the New York University School of Law, quantified the problem in stark terms. "It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning," the report calculated, "than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls."



More recently, Steve Benen of Maddow Blog notes that “Texas recently went looking for examples of voter fraud and found fewer than five incidents of ‘illegal voting’ out of more than 13 million votes cast in the 2008 and 2010 elections.” Concludes Benen, after examining the Indiana indictment: “the takeaway here is that real examples of fraud are incredibly rare.”

Indeed, between 2000 and 2007, there were 32,299 UFO sightings in the United States, 352 deaths caused by lightning, but only nine cases of voter impersonation, according to a great new infographic by Craiglist founder Craig Newmark.

Yet conservatives continue to hype the extremely rare occurrence of election fraud as if it were something that happens every day and is somehow responsible for the election of Obama and Democratic candidates across the map. And there is evidence that they’ve been successful in pushing this fact-free narrative among the broader public. In 2009, Peter Dreier and Christopher Martin of Occidental College studied the media coverage of ACORN during the 2008 election and concluded:

82.8% of the stories failed to mention that actual voter fraud is very rare

80.3% of the stories failed to mention that ACORN was reporting registration irregularities to authorities, as required by law

85.1% of the stories about ACORN failed to note that ACORN was acting to stop incidents of registration problems by its (mostly temporary) employees when it became aware of these problems

95.8% of the stories failed to provide deeper context, especially efforts by Republican Party officials to use allegations of "voter fraud" to dampen voting by low‐income and minority Americans, including the firing of U.S. Attorneys who refused to cooperate with the politicization of voter-fraud accusations—firings that ultimately led to the resignation of U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

The real story in 2012 is how the myth of voter fraud has been advanced by Republicans to justify new voting restrictions in more than a dozen states, which could disenfranchise up to 5 million voters on Election Day, according to the Brennan Center for Justice. That’s a whole lot of casualties in response to a few bad actors.

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I guess Markle just had every possible scenario that could make ACORN look bad at his fingertips. Wonder why? I don't.

I suggest everyone watch the 7-part series on YouTube...Murder Spies and Voting Lies.

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Here's Stephen Spoonamore on Diebold electronic electoral fraud. I think all the IT types here will find him credible:

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Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:The noose is slowly tightening around the neck of the GOP whether it be voter purges, immigration, women's right of choice, a fairer tax code are only some of the issues that will eventually choke the life out of these current GOPers and it is my hope I live to see them come back to a moderate old fashioned Ike era party.  
IDs have been required since I started voting in 1981. There were ID requirements before that time as well. How is a poll worker to know who you are or even if you are registered to vote unless you show ID? What do you think a voter ID card is for? WTH?
A voter card should be plenty of ID, because it indicates that a person has registered with the local supervisor of elections.  The signature on the card should match the signature on the voter rolls.  That's how it was always done.  

Showing a picture ID is not going to suppress Democrat voters, period. It will, however, prevent illegal use of someone's voter registration card.

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Nekochan

Nekochan

There is no way for the Alabama elections people to know if someone registered to vote in AL is also registered, and voting, in Florida.

I support a national voting ID. I know there will always be a way to abuse the system, but I think a national ID would cut down a lot on people voting in 2 or more states.

But there is nothing discriminatory or unconstitutional about requiring a picture ID to vote.

Guest


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PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:The noose is slowly tightening around the neck of the GOP whether it be voter purges, immigration, women's right of choice, a fairer tax code are only some of the issues that will eventually choke the life out of these current GOPers and it is my hope I live to see them come back to a moderate old fashioned Ike era party.  
A voter card should be plenty of ID, because it indicates that a person has registered with the local supervisor of elections.    That's how it was always done.  
Picture ID is better. Anyone can roll up with a card and pretend it is them. And unless you have a calligraphy expert at every poll watching every old person voter booth worker, it's suspect to fraud. PIC ID IS WAY TO GO. Take a couple bucks out of their welfare checks to pay for the ID.
There is a reason why the message from the voter ID laws shoved down our throats by the GOP is seen as voter disenfranchisement, and not as an attempt to prevent fraud. Because voter fraud is virtually non-existent!
Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas.

Solving problems that do not exist---Present Day GOP!!
Gotta love 'em!

Oh, and, nice dig at the poor there at the end pacedog. One must wonder the source of such contempt for the poor. Jesus loved the poor, and chastised the rich. Do you not follow Jesus, pacedog?



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Guest


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Nekochan wrote:There is no way for the Alabama elections people to know if someone registered to vote in AL is also registered, and voting, in Florida.
I support a national voting ID.  I know there will always be a way to abuse the system, but I think a national ID would cut down a lot on people voting in 2 or more states.
But there is nothing discriminatory or unconstitutional about requiring a picture ID to vote.
I suggest you learn the meanings of the words highlighted above.

It is exactly discriminatory if a smaller percentage of poor blacks and Hispanics possess picture IDs than richer white voters.

Just last week a judge in PA blocked the recently passed Republican voter law. I can tell you are not a judge; so you should leave constitutional matters to them.

All this back and forth over a non-existent problem. Check the facts. There is no voter fraud.

49Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/18/2013, 9:25 pm

Nekochan

Nekochan

The Penn judge didn't rule on either of those points.

50Ballotproof  - Page 2 Empty Re: Ballotproof 8/19/2013, 2:12 am

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/167217/voter-fraud-fraud#

As President Obama spoke about Representative Paul Ryan’s budget yesterday, Fox News broke away from the president’s remarks to cover “a stunning case in South Bend, Indiana.” The story covered an indictment by the St. Joseph County prosecutor’s office alleging that local Democratic officials forged signatures to get Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards on the Indiana Democratic Primary ballot in 2008. “Indiana State Police investigators identified a total of 22 petitions that appeared to be faked, yet sailed through the Voter Registration Board as legitimate documents,” Fox reported. Eric Shawn, of the Fox News Voter Fraud Unit, said that a local election worker was “ordered to forge presidential petitions for Barack Obama, illegally faking the names and signatures of unsuspecting voters to put the then-Illinois senator on the presidential primary ballot.”

The new report will no doubt underscore the belief among Fox News viewers that Obama was illegitimately elected in 2008. According to a 2009 poll by Public Policy Polling, “52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately.” Conservative commenters are pointing to the indictment as further proof of rampant voter fraud and more evidence of the need for voter ID laws nationwide.  

There are at least two major problems with this argument.

Number one: there’s no evidence that the alleged forgeries played a decisive role in getting the Democratic candidates on the Indiana ballot in 2008 or determining the outcome of the primary or general election. “No one could seriously argue there wasn’t enough popular support for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to justify their appearance on the primary ballot, or that it had any effect on the primary results, or any vaguely remote effect on the general election,” writes Ed Kilgore of The Washington Monthly. “So maybe this was ‘election fraud’ in the broadest sense of the term, but hardly ‘voter fraud.’”

Number two: Indiana’s voter ID law, passed in 2008 and the model for the nine states that have adopted similar laws since the 2010 election, did nothing to prevent the alleged signature fraud, nor did it stop Indiana’s Republican Secretary of State, Charlie White, from committing felony voter fraud in the 2010 election. (White was sentenced to a year of home detention on felony fraud convictions.)

Indeed, the Indiana indictment reinforces how thin the conservative case about voter fraud really is and why voter ID laws are a misguided solution to a miniscule problem. As I reported in Rolling Stone last fall:

A major probe by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 failed to prosecute a single person for going to the polls and impersonating an eligible voter, which the anti-fraud laws are supposedly designed to stop. Out of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud – and many of the cases involved immigrants and former felons who were simply unaware of their ineligibility. A much-hyped investigation in Wisconsin, meanwhile, led to the prosecution of only .0007 percent of the local electorate for alleged voter fraud. "Our democracy is under siege from an enemy so small it could be hiding anywhere," joked Stephen Colbert. A 2007 report by the Brennan Center for Justice, a leading advocate for voting rights at the New York University School of Law, quantified the problem in stark terms. "It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning," the report calculated, "than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls."



More recently, Steve Benen of Maddow Blog notes that “Texas recently went looking for examples of voter fraud and found fewer than five incidents of ‘illegal voting’ out of more than 13 million votes cast in the 2008 and 2010 elections.” Concludes Benen, after examining the Indiana indictment: “the takeaway here is that real examples of fraud are incredibly rare.”

Indeed, between 2000 and 2007, there were 32,299 UFO sightings in the United States, 352 deaths caused by lightning, but only nine cases of voter impersonation, according to a great new infographic by Craiglist founder Craig Newmark.

Yet conservatives continue to hype the extremely rare occurrence of election fraud as if it were something that happens every day and is somehow responsible for the election of Obama and Democratic candidates across the map. And there is evidence that they’ve been successful in pushing this fact-free narrative among the broader public. In 2009, Peter Dreier and Christopher Martin of Occidental College studied the media coverage of ACORN during the 2008 election and concluded:

82.8% of the stories failed to mention that actual voter fraud is very rare

80.3% of the stories failed to mention that ACORN was reporting registration irregularities to authorities, as required by law

85.1% of the stories about ACORN failed to note that ACORN was acting to stop incidents of registration problems by its (mostly temporary) employees when it became aware of these problems

95.8% of the stories failed to provide deeper context, especially efforts by Republican Party officials to use allegations of "voter fraud" to dampen voting by low‐income and minority Americans, including the firing of U.S. Attorneys who refused to cooperate with the politicization of voter-fraud accusations—firings that ultimately led to the resignation of U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

The real story in 2012 is how the myth of voter fraud has been advanced by Republicans to justify new voting restrictions in more than a dozen states, which could disenfranchise up to 5 million voters on Election Day, according to the Brennan Center for Justice. That’s a whole lot of casualties in response to a few bad actors.

--------------

I guess Markle just had every possible scenario that could make ACORN look bad at his fingertips.  Wonder why?  I don't.

I suggest everyone watch the 7-part series on YouTube...Murder Spies and Voting Lies.  

Please, The Nation a long time, well known Communist Publication which has published articles, by Communists, advocating the violent overthrow of America.  Not my usual reading fare but I understand why you would find it a daily ritual.

As for ACORN, their vast conspiracy of both voter registration fraud and bank fraud has run in publications coast to coast.  EVEN the Democrats were forced to defund ACORN.  However, like a mythical snake, when the one head was cut off, it has been replaced by others across the country.

Keep up the good work!

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