Pensacola Discussion Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

This is a forum based out of Pensacola Florida.


You are not connected. Please login or register

Jack London ..is worse than me...wow that's saying something.

2 posters

Go down  Message [Page 1 of 1]

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

"YOUNG MEN: The lowest aim in your life is to become a soldier. The good soldier never tries to distinguish right from wrong. He never thinks; never reasons; he only obeys. If he is ordered to fire on his fellow citizens, on his friends, on his neighbors, on his relatives, he obeys without hesitation. If he is ordered to fire down a crowded street when the poor are clamoring for bread, he obeys and see the grey hairs of age stained with red and the life tide gushing from the breasts of women, feeling neither remorse nor sympathy. If he is ordered off as a firing squad to execute a hero or benefactor, he fires without hesitation, though he knows the bullet will pierce the noblest heart that ever beat in human breast.

"A good soldier is a blind, heartless, soulless, murderous machine. He is not a man. His is not a brute, for brutes kill only in self defense. All that is human in him, all that is divine in him, all that constitutes the man has been sworn away when he took the enlistment roll. His mind, his conscience, aye, his very soul, are in the keeping of his officer. No man can fall lower than a soldier—it is a depth beneath which we cannot go."
— Jack London

Margin Call

Margin Call

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI



"To destroy governmental violence only one thing is needed: it is that people should understand that the feeling of patriotism which alone supports that instrument of violence is a rude, harmful, disgraceful, and bad feeling, and above all is immoral. It is a rude feeling because it is natural only to people standing on the lowest level of morality and expecting from other nations such outrages as they themselves are ready to inflict. It is a harmful feeling because it disturbs advantageous and joyous peaceful relations with other peoples, and above all produces that governmental organization under which power may fall and does fall into the hands of the worst men. It is a disgraceful feeling because it turns man not merely into a slave but into a fighting cock, a bull, or a gladiator, who wastes his strength and his life for objects which are not his own, but his government's. It is an immoral feeling because, instead of confessing himself a son of God . . . or even a free man guided by his own reason, each man under the influence of patriotism confesses himself the son of his fatherland and the slave of his government, and commits actions contrary to his reason and conscience."
—Leo Tolstoy, Patriotism and Government

Guest


Guest

I thought maybe you had calmed down and started a more interesting thread than the ones you started recently. I was wrong. My bad.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Yeah I like to tear off the scabs from time to time...Healing from wounds gathered in a lie doesn't seem right until the lie is corrected...

Guest


Guest

John Griffith "Jack" London (born John Griffith Chaney,[1] January 12, 1876 – November 22, 1916)[2][3][4][5] was an American author, journalist, and social activist. He was a pioneer in the then-burgeoning world of commercial magazine fiction and was one of the first fiction writers to obtain worldwide celebrity and a large fortune from his fiction alone

So he never spent a day in the Military but yet knows the feeling and mind set of those that did. Another rich fuck head that is probably kin to the later day chicken shit Rush Limbaugh. Write some crap and some dumb ass will always believe it, whether it is true or not. All these shit talk postings really get old....

YOUNG MEN: The lowest aim in your life is to become a soldier. The good soldier never tries to distinguish right from wrong. He never thinks; never reasons; he only obeys. If he is ordered to fire on his fellow citizens, on his friends, on his neighbors, on his relatives, he obeys without hesitation. If he is ordered to fire down a crowded street when the poor are clamoring for bread, he obeys and see the grey hairs of age stained with red and the life tide gushing from the breasts of women, feeling neither remorse nor sympathy. If he is ordered off as a firing squad to execute a hero or benefactor, he fires without hesitation, though he knows the bullet will pierce the noblest heart that ever beat in human breast.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Hallmark, I would say you are a very independent thinker. You are not at all what ole Jack is describing...it's tough to rethink a very popular paradigm and see if it is flawed.

Guest


Guest

The Military is a easy mark to make fun of and criticize. To Civilians training and certain disciplines (like the video posted) seem silly, harsh and demeaning. Fighting and Armys have been around since the beginning of time and will continue to be around until we are all gone. It seems to be something built into humans.
The atrocities that we witness today pale in comparison with the likes of Genghis Khan, the Normans and the Saxtons.
But we live in the moment. We call our selves civilized. A military is unneeded, no use for violence, we are all rational humans so let just deal with it.
Sadly Life tells us a different story. Somehow the World sat on it ass while Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge raped Cambodia. While we were watching NASCAR, the Super Bowel, eating Moon pies and howling at the Moon, a county lost 25% of it population to some insane people. But no country offered to help until it was too late. They are good people I worked with a Cambodian that took his family and walked out thru the Jungle until he got to a Malaysian Refugee camp where he and his remaining family spent 3 years,.. I was too busy to help him....



An attempt by Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot to form a Communist peasant farming society resulted in the deaths of 25 percent of the country's population from starvation, overwork and executions. Estimates of the total number of deaths resulting from Khmer Rouge policies, including disease and starvation, range from 1.7 to 2.5 million out of a 1975 population of roughly 8 million

Pol Pot was born in 1925 (as Saloth Sar) into a farming family in central Cambodia, which was then part of French Indochina. In 1949, at age 20, he traveled to Paris on a scholarship to study radio electronics but became absorbed in Marxism and neglected his studies. He lost his scholarship and returned to Cambodia in 1953 and joined the underground Communist movement. The following year, Cambodia achieved full independence from France and was then ruled by a royal monarchy.

Map & Photos

Cambodia and surrounding area.

Pol Pot addresses a closed meeting in Phnom Penh after the 1975 Khmer Rouge victory.

Young Khmer Rouge soldiers in 1975.

Tuol Sleng Prison, the nerve center of the Khmer Rouge secret police. Today it's the Tuol Sleng Museum of Genocide.

The Killing Fields at Choeung Ek. This mass grave, discovered in 1980, was one of the first proofs to the outside world of what had occurred during Pol Pot's regime.
By 1962, Pol Pot had become leader of the Cambodian Communist Party and was forced to flee into the jungle to escape the wrath of Prince Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia. In the jungle, Pol Pot formed an armed resistance movement that became known as the Khmer Rouge (Red Cambodians) and waged a guerrilla war against Sihanouk's government.

In 1970, Prince Sihanouk was ousted, not by Pol Pot, but due to a U.S.-backed right-wing military coup. An embittered Sihanouk retaliated by joining with Pol Pot, his former enemy, in opposing Cambodia's new military government. That same year, the U.S. invaded Cambodia to expel the North Vietnamese from their border encampments, but instead drove them deeper into Cambodia where they allied themselves with the Khmer Rouge.

From 1969 until 1973, the U.S. intermittently bombed North Vietnamese sanctuaries in eastern Cambodia, killing up to 150,000 Cambodian peasants. As a result, peasants fled the countryside by the hundreds of thousands and settled in Cambodia's capital city, Phnom Penh.


All of these events resulted in economic and military destabilization in Cambodia and a surge of popular support for Pol Pot.

By 1975, the U.S. had withdrawn its troops from Vietnam. Cambodia's government, plagued by corruption and incompetence, also lost its American military support. Taking advantage of the opportunity, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge army, consisting of teenage peasant guerrillas, marched into Phnom Penh and on April 17 effectively seized control of Cambodia.

Once in power, Pol Pot began a radical experiment to create an agrarian utopia inspired in part by Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution which he had witnessed first-hand during a visit to Communist China.

Mao's "Great Leap Forward" economic program included forced evacuations of Chinese cities and the purging of "class enemies." Pol Pot would now attempt his own "Super Great Leap Forward" in Cambodia, which he renamed the Democratic Republic of Kampuchea.

He began by declaring, "This is Year Zero," and that society was about to be "purified." Capitalism, Western culture, city life, religion, and all foreign influences were to be extinguished in favor of an extreme form of peasant Communism.

All foreigners were thus expelled, embassies closed, and any foreign economic or medical assistance was refused. The use of foreign languages was banned. Newspapers and television stations were shut down, radios and bicycles confiscated, and mail and telephone usage curtailed. Money was forbidden. All businesses were shuttered, religion banned, education halted, health care eliminated, and parental authority revoked. Thus Cambodia was sealed off from the outside world.

All of Cambodia's cities were then forcibly evacuated. At Phnom Penh, two million inhabitants were evacuated on foot into the countryside at gunpoint. As many as 20,000 died along the way.

Millions of Cambodians accustomed to city life were now forced into slave labor in Pol Pot's "killing fields" where they soon began dying from overwork, malnutrition and disease, on a diet of one tin of rice (180 grams) per person every two days.

Workdays in the fields began around 4 a.m. and lasted until 10 p.m., with only two rest periods allowed during the 18 hour day, all under the armed supervision of young Khmer Rouge soldiers eager to kill anyone for the slightest infraction. Starving people were forbidden to eat the fruits and rice they were harvesting. After the rice crop was harvested, Khmer Rouge trucks would arrive and confiscate the entire crop.

Ten to fifteen families lived together with a chairman at the head of each group. All work decisions were made by the armed supervisors with no participation from the workers who were told, "Whether you live or die is not of great significance." Every tenth day was a day of rest. There were also three days off during the Khmer New Year festival.

Throughout Cambodia, deadly purges were conducted to eliminate remnants of the "old society" - the educated, the wealthy, Buddhist monks, police, doctors, lawyers, teachers, and former government officials. Ex-soldiers were killed along with their wives and children. Anyone suspected of disloyalty to Pol Pot, including eventually many Khmer Rouge leaders, was shot or bludgeoned with an ax. "What is rotten must be removed," a Khmer Rouge slogan proclaimed.

In the villages, unsupervised gatherings of more than two persons were forbidden. Young people were taken from their parents and placed in communals. They were later married in collective ceremonies involving hundreds of often-unwilling couples.

Up to 20,000 persons were tortured into giving false confessions at Tuol Sleng, a school in Phnom Penh which had been converted into a jail. Elsewhere, suspects were often shot on the spot before any questioning.

Ethnic groups were attacked including the three largest minorities; the Vietnamese, Chinese, and Cham Muslims, along with twenty other smaller groups. Fifty percent of the estimated 425,000 Chinese living in Cambodia in 1975 perished. Khmer Rouge also forced Muslims to eat pork and shot those who refused.

On December 25, 1978, Vietnam launched a full-scale invasion of Cambodia seeking to end Khmer Rouge border attacks. On January 7, 1979, Phnom Penh fell and Pol Pot was deposed. The Vietnamese then installed a puppet government consisting of Khmer Rouge defectors.

Pol Pot retreated into Thailand with the remnants of his Khmer Rouge army and began a guerrilla war against a succession of Cambodian governments lasting over the next 17 years. After a series of internal power struggles in the 1990s, he finally lost control of the Khmer Rouge. In April 1998, 73-year-old Pol Pot died of an apparent heart attack following his arrest, before he could be brought to trial by an international tribunal for the events of 1975-79.



Fucked up isnt it?. The very thing that could have saved them (our Military) helped destroyed them. It was not the Military, it is was the use our Military. Just a a rifle. God Damn our leaders that caused this shit and then were gutless to stop it. .



Last edited by Hallmarkgrad1 on 5/2/2013, 11:07 am; edited 2 times in total

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I can see you are very sensitive to the injustices of governments in other countries but how is it that you think Americans should man up shed blood and die for the evils there ?

http://www.tpromo2.com/gko/files1/entangle.htm

The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. G.W.

Guest


Guest

When you see a woman being raped or a man being killed and you can help, you dont take time to ask them if they are a Christian. Americans thinks American lives in a Void. We do not. The world does not revolve around us. We just think it does.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sidenote : The ship whose deck I walked and systems I serviced for 4 years was dismantled in Turkey 2004
Jack London ..is worse than me...wow that's saying something. Joe10



Last edited by TEOTWAWKI on 5/2/2013, 10:27 am; edited 2 times in total

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:When you see a woman being raped or a man being killed and you can help, you dont take time to ask them if they are a Christian. Americans thinks American lives in a Void. We do not. The world does not revolve around us. We just think it does.



20+ million Chinese and 20+ million Soviets were killed by their governments last century and we did nothing and it was not because we are special.

Guest


Guest

1.7 to 2.5 million out of a 1975 population of roughly 8 million Cambodia
20 million out of 1,354,040,000 billion China
20 million out of 141.9 million Russia


We fought the Chinese in Korea
We were ready to fight the Russians but the threat subsidised when their republic collapsed.
We let the Cambodians die.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Yeah and don't forget the American Indians...

Guest


Guest

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Yeah and don't forget the American Indians...
Dont get me started on that. I am going to take a break and get back to posting about Stooderville. LOl That pisses people off worse that any of this war and killing stuff. Thanks for hearing me out and not using personal attacks.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

You are a very passionate man that really cares about people. I commend you for that

Sponsored content



Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 1]

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum