Gun Bill killed in Senate.......90% of Americans supported this background bill

2seaoat wrote:This is the surface of the iceberg......it is the 400lb gorilla in the room. The decline of America is directly tied to our legislators being bought and paid for........gun merchants put ads out that this bill would register guns.....just the opposite, this bill would not allow registration(I think this is boneheaded).

So how do we get rid of subsidies for the very wealthy? How do we get rid of farm subsidies for multi billion dollar corporations who pay no taxes? How do trade associations burn food and call it energy conservation......and get a subsidy on top of it? How do we close a local base when it is best for the country, yet the local politicians twist arms? How do large arm producers get their weapon system approved.......merit.....or direct or indirect payoffs?

WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!

othershoe1030 wrote:Well, I agree that it is a disgrace. The vote makes a mockery of democracy on so many levels.

2seaoat wrote:Feel good to have background checks............geez. Do you not do a background check about some of the factors which makes an offer legitimate when you are representing a person selling a house. Do you at least get their name, and maybe render the transaction to paper.........Do you think that is asking too much or do you just shake the buyers hand and say....hey I will see you at the closing....you know.....whenever you want to bring some money to us...........insanity to actually fight this positive and important first step.

PK.....your second amendment rights are not taken by restrictions on gun ownership......talk to Judge Scalia to get an explanation.......his opinion matters.....ours do not.

gulfbeachbandit wrote:Why don't they just make it illegal to shoot someone.

boards of FL wrote:

gulfbeachbandit wrote:Why don't they just make it illegal to shoot someone.

Honestly, though, why is it illegal to shoot someone? Criminals just kill people anyways. Not being able to kill people only affects honest, law abiding citizens. This is BS, right?

boards of FL wrote:

gulfbeachbandit wrote:Why don't they just make it illegal to shoot someone.

Honestly, though, why is it illegal to shoot someone? Criminals just kill people anyways. Not being able to kill people only affects honest, law abiding citizens. This is BS, right?

PkrBum wrote:How hard is it to understand that you may not harm someone? You may not do it monetarily or physically... are we in agreement so far? The bad news is that there are bad people... not many really... but enough to be a concern. The thing I want to know is why you would limit yourself and the vast majority of society with any measure that the problem people would ignore?

I mostly get the background check... but I would rather handle like getting your fishing liscense... and I have no prob w tracking gun powder or whatever the tagg stuff was or shell casings... that is only useful in investigating crime.

I wish y'all would actually look at what you're trying to solve and point at it... a gun is just a tool.

PkrBum wrote:How hard is it to understand that you may not harm someone? You may not do it monetarily or physically... are we in agreement so far? The bad news is that there are bad people... not many really... but enough to be a concern. The thing I want to know is why you would limit yourself and the vast majority of society with any measure that the problem people would ignore?

I mostly get the background check... but I would rather handle like getting your fishing liscense... and I have no prob w tracking gun powder or whatever the tagg stuff was or shell casings... that is only useful in investigating crime.

I wish y'all would actually look at what you're trying to solve and point at it... a gun is just a tool.

2seaoat wrote:How can that be?


Gun violence and the presence of gangs and drugs is the correlation which explains gun deaths.....not incomplete gun safety laws.......Gary Indiana is 15 minutes from Chicago's South side.....what does Chicago's gun laws have to do when a person who can get a firearm without a problem 15 minutes away.

I feel pretty confident that biometric triggers alone could greatly reduce gun deaths, but I believe that comprehensive laws are necessary. Again, registration, dynamic foid cards, chipped weapons, biometric triggers, and control modules in vehicles..........without a bit of hesitiation......these measures would have made it more difficult for the Sandy Hook or other events to have happened........but the question is not specifically stopping one event, rather statistically reducing gun deaths........and yes, this background check was an important first step up the stairway to gun safety.