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Why is Socialism Doing So Well in Deep Red North Dakota?

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Why-is-Socialism-Doing-So-by-Les-Leopold-130331-164.html

"North Dakota is the very definition of a red state. It voted 58% to 39% for Romney over Obama, and its state house and senate have a total of 104 Republicans and only 47 Democrats. The Republican super-majority is so conservative that it recently passed the nation's most severe anti-abortion resolution which declares that a fertilized human egg has the same right to life as a person. But North Dakota also is red in another sense. It fully supports its state-owned Bank of North Dakota (BND), a socialist relic that exists nowhere else in America .

Why is financial socialism still alive in North Dakota ? Why haven't the North Dakotan free-market crusaders slain it dead? Because it works.

In 1919, the Non-Partisan League, a vibrant populist organization, won a majority in the legislature and voted the bank into existence. The goal was to free North Dakota farmers from impoverishing debt dependence on the big banks in the Twin Cities , Chicago and New York . More than 90 years later this state-owned bank is thriving as it helps the state's community banks, businesses, consumers and students obtain loans at reasonable rates. It also delivers a handsome profit to its owners -- the 700,000 residents of North Dakota . In 2011, the BND provided more than $70 million to the state's coffers. Extrapolate that per capita profit to a state like California and you're looking at an extra $3.8 billion a year in state revenues that could be used to fund education and infrastructure.

One of America's best kept secrets:

Each time we pay our state and local taxes, as well as all manner of fees, the state must deposit the revenues in a bank. If you're anyplace but North Dakota, nearly all of these deposits end up in Wall Street too-big to-fail banks, because those banks are the only entities large enough to handle the load. The vast majority of the nation's 7,000 community banks are too small to provide the array of cash management services that state and local governments require. We're talking big bucks -- at least $1 trillion of our local tax dollars find their way to Wall Street banks, according to Marc Armstrong, executive director of the Public Banking Institute.


So, not only are we, as taxpayers, on the hook for too-big-to-fail Wall Street banks, but also we are giving our tax dollars to these same banks each and every time we pay a sales tax or pay property tax or buy a fishing license. In North Dakota, however, all that public revenue runs through its public state bank, which in turn reinvests in the state's small businesses and public infrastructure via partnerships with 80 small community banks.

How the State Bank Creates Jobs

Banks are supposed to serve as intermediaries that turn our savings and checking deposits into productive loans to businesses and consumers. That's how jobs are supported and created. But the BND, a state agency, goes one step further. Through its Partnership in Assisting Community Expansion, for example, it provides loans at below market interest rates to businesses if and only if those businesses create at least one job for every $100,000 loaned. If the $1 trillion dollars that now flows to Wall Street, instead were deposited in public state banks in all 50 states using this same approach, up to 10 million new jobs could be created. That would effectively end our destructive unemployment crisis..."

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Floridatexan wrote:
If the $1 trillion dollars that now flows to Wall Street, instead were deposited in public state banks in all 50 states using this same approach, up to 10 million new jobs could be created. That would effectively end our destructive unemployment crisis..."


Really? BHO promised that the nearly trillion dollar stimulus would result in only 3.5 million new jobs (of course it didn't do anywhere near that). What happened with all those not so shovel ready jobs? Oh wait - that was just another of his many lies.

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nochain wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
If the $1 trillion dollars that now flows to Wall Street, instead were deposited in public state banks in all 50 states using this same approach, up to 10 million new jobs could be created. That would effectively end our destructive unemployment crisis..."


Really? BHO promised that the nearly trillion dollar stimulus would result in only 3.5 million new jobs (of course it didn't do anywhere near that). What happened with all those not so shovel ready jobs? Oh wait - that was just another of his many lies.

In a study is it any wonder that N Dakota was determined to be one of the most free states and on the other end was New York and California?...So there may be something to this less intrusive government...lower taxes...less restrictions....and more individual rights?...

2seaoat



I have never understood why states do not set up online bank exchanges. This would simply be a craigslist type system where folks who want to improve their return on CDs could post that they have 5k they want to lend out for three years. They post that they want a 6% return. Folks that need cash are rated by the state based on credit scores, and they bid on the money. Because the state would be the folks who were the primary lender, the debt could not be discharged in bankruptcy, and any person who has missed payments or defaulted under the state system could not participate.

A person now getting paid $75 a year interest on 5k, or $225 would get $900 interest and it would be guaranteed. The state would take about 1% as guarantor and everybody would be making money. The problem in America is the multipliers and velocity of money are frozen.....banks are sitting on the wealth of America after stealing the equity out of American Real Estate.......If you set up these exchanges, with maybe a top limit of 25k, folks who are retired could actually get an income flow, and young people would have access to credit.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

nochain wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
If the $1 trillion dollars that now flows to Wall Street, instead were deposited in public state banks in all 50 states using this same approach, up to 10 million new jobs could be created. That would effectively end our destructive unemployment crisis..."


Really? BHO promised that the nearly trillion dollar stimulus would result in only 3.5 million new jobs (of course it didn't do anywhere near that). What happened with all those not so shovel ready jobs? Oh wait - that was just another of his many lies.

Here are the actual stats:
http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx

It was only a small step. But it wasn't a lie.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

2seaoat wrote:I have never understood why states do not set up online bank exchanges. This would simply be a craigslist type system where folks who want to improve their return on CDs could post that they have 5k they want to lend out for three years. They post that they want a 6% return. Folks that need cash are rated by the state based on credit scores, and they bid on the money. Because the state would be the folks who were the primary lender, the debt could not be discharged in bankruptcy, and any person who has missed payments or defaulted under the state system could not participate.

A person now getting paid $75 a year interest on 5k, or $225 would get $900 interest and it would be guaranteed. The state would take about 1% as guarantor and everybody would be making money. The problem in America is the multipliers and velocity of money are frozen.....banks are sitting on the wealth of America after stealing the equity out of American Real Estate.......If you set up these exchanges, with maybe a top limit of 25k, folks who are retired could actually get an income flow, and young people would have access to credit.

Can you even imagine the potential for abuse of a system like you're describing? SBND is like a clearing house...a banker's bank. The net effect is to keep the state's revenues within the state.

Sal

Sal

newswatcher wrote:

In a study is it any wonder that N Dakota was determined to be one of the most free states and on the other end was New York and California?

I'm almost afraid to ask, but of what study are you referring?

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Sal wrote:
newswatcher wrote:

In a study is it any wonder that N Dakota was determined to be one of the most free states and on the other end was New York and California?

I'm almost afraid to ask, but of what study are you referring?

.....................................

I think it was on StormFront. They love the freeness they experience where it's ok to hate America or be a white supremacist.

And their snowboarding is awesome.

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Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Why-is-Socialism-Doing-So-by-Les-Leopold-130331-164.html

"North Dakota is the very definition of a red state. It voted 58% to 39% for Romney over Obama, and its state house and senate have a total of 104 Republicans and only 47 Democrats. The Republican super-majority is so conservative that it recently passed the nation's most severe anti-abortion resolution which declares that a fertilized human egg has the same right to life as a person. But North Dakota also is red in another sense. It fully supports its state-owned Bank of North Dakota (BND), a socialist relic that exists nowhere else in America .

Why is financial socialism still alive in North Dakota ? Why haven't the North Dakotan free-market crusaders slain it dead? Because it works.

In 1919, the Non-Partisan League, a vibrant populist organization, won a majority in the legislature and voted the bank into existence. The goal was to free North Dakota farmers from impoverishing debt dependence on the big banks in the Twin Cities , Chicago and New York . More than 90 years later this state-owned bank is thriving as it helps the state's community banks, businesses, consumers and students obtain loans at reasonable rates. It also delivers a handsome profit to its owners -- the 700,000 residents of North Dakota . In 2011, the BND provided more than $70 million to the state's coffers. Extrapolate that per capita profit to a state like California and you're looking at an extra $3.8 billion a year in state revenues that could be used to fund education and infrastructure.

One of America's best kept secrets:

Each time we pay our state and local taxes, as well as all manner of fees, the state must deposit the revenues in a bank. If you're anyplace but North Dakota, nearly all of these deposits end up in Wall Street too-big to-fail banks, because those banks are the only entities large enough to handle the load. The vast majority of the nation's 7,000 community banks are too small to provide the array of cash management services that state and local governments require. We're talking big bucks -- at least $1 trillion of our local tax dollars find their way to Wall Street banks, according to Marc Armstrong, executive director of the Public Banking Institute.


So, not only are we, as taxpayers, on the hook for too-big-to-fail Wall Street banks, but also we are giving our tax dollars to these same banks each and every time we pay a sales tax or pay property tax or buy a fishing license. In North Dakota, however, all that public revenue runs through its public state bank, which in turn reinvests in the state's small businesses and public infrastructure via partnerships with 80 small community banks.

How the State Bank Creates Jobs

Banks are supposed to serve as intermediaries that turn our savings and checking deposits into productive loans to businesses and consumers. That's how jobs are supported and created. But the BND, a state agency, goes one step further. Through its Partnership in Assisting Community Expansion, for example, it provides loans at below market interest rates to businesses if and only if those businesses create at least one job for every $100,000 loaned. If the $1 trillion dollars that now flows to Wall Street, instead were deposited in public state banks in all 50 states using this same approach, up to 10 million new jobs could be created. That would effectively end our destructive unemployment crisis..."


Why is this considered socialism?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Why is this considered socialism?

Because it's an arm of government, not private enterprise.

And being that it's occuring in a state which is so red is so ironic and so remarkable.
You just can't make this shit up.
I guarantee you fox news and talk radio will never report this. lol

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Bob wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Why is this considered socialism?

Because it's an arm of government, not private enterprise.

And being that it's occuring in a state which is so red is so ironic and so remarkable.
You just can't make this shit up.
I guarantee you fox news and talk radio will never report this. lol

Still not totally Socialism.

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It's closer to an ideology that they claim/revision is far right.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Still not totally Socialism.

Well if this is not really socialism then neither is the stuff they attribute to obama really socialism. But they sure do call it that don't they. Many even say obama is communism. lol

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Guest

I think that if you looked from the outside in... that we have been on a purposeful course for some many generations.

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
nochain wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
If the $1 trillion dollars that now flows to Wall Street, instead were deposited in public state banks in all 50 states using this same approach, up to 10 million new jobs could be created. That would effectively end our destructive unemployment crisis..."


Really? BHO promised that the nearly trillion dollar stimulus would result in only 3.5 million new jobs (of course it didn't do anywhere near that). What happened with all those not so shovel ready jobs? Oh wait - that was just another of his many lies.

Here are the actual stats:
http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx

It was only a small step. But it wasn't a lie.

Did not see a total figure reported but my guess is that it's listed as "jobs saved and created". Malarkey.

We have broken a record...AGAIN for the number of people on food stamps.

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