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What if the House of Representatives just decided not to fund Obamacare instead of trying to repeal it

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....per Ryan's discussion with Mike Wallace this week? Hmmmm.

Slicef18

Slicef18

PACEDOG#1 wrote:....per Ryan's discussion with Mike Wallace this week? Hmmmm.

There is "NO" Obama Healthcare Act.
There is " Affordable Care Act, Health Insurance Reform" And just like Social Security and Medicare, it is imperfect but will become a tool of the people as changes are made.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PACEDOG#1 wrote:....per Ryan's discussion with Mike Wallace this week? Hmmmm.
Not funding legislation is a very favorite GOP tactic to keep something beneficial from actually going into effect. They love to under-fund things they don't approve of. Just another obstructionist move the country has come to appreciate. This is definitely NOTHING new! Here's an example.

http://patriotacts.com/congress-keeping-sec-and-cftc-underfunded-and-understaffed/

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othershoe1030 wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:....per Ryan's discussion with Mike Wallace this week? Hmmmm.
Not funding legislation is a very favorite GOP tactic to keep something beneficial from actually going into effect. They love to under-fund things they don't approve of. Just another obstructionist move the country has come to appreciate. This is definitely NOTHING new! Here's an example.

http://patriotacts.com/congress-keeping-sec-and-cftc-underfunded-and-understaffed/

Hypocrite. The Dems Obamacare is one of the largest unfunded mandates facing states in history. Ever heard of MEDICAID??????

"As the National Governors Association noted in its Fall 2011 “Fiscal Survey Of States,” “state spending on Medicaid is likely to continue to see above average growth due to… the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.” (Obamacare is known as the “Affordable Care Act” or PPACA.) A congressional report, “Medicaid Expansion In The New Health Law: Costs To The States,” “conservatively estimates that PPACA will cost state taxpayers at least $118.04 billion through 2023.”

Even Democratic governors call its impact “devastating,” saying things like “I have no idea how we’re going to pay for it.” Gov. Steve Beshear (D-Ky.) notes that “starting in 2016, Washington will begin shifting that additional costs to the states. ‘I have no idea how we’re going to pay for it,’ Beshear said candidly.” (Editorial, “Medicaid Expansion Will Cost Taxpayers,” The Paducah Sun, Feb. 13, 2011). Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-Mont.) laments that “I’m going to have to double my patient load and run the risk of bankrupting Montana.” (“Montana Looks North For Health Care That Works ,” Yes Magazine, Oct. 21, 2011.) “In 2014, when the PPACA kicks in, many of the uninsured will be given the opportunity to enroll in Medicaid. With this change, Schweitzer expects the state’s Medicaid population to double, creating a huge financial burden on the state of Montana under the current health care system.” “The governor told Marguerite Salazar, a regional director of the Department of Health and Human Services, that Congress has designed a ‘pack of crap’ that gives away far too much” to special interests. California Governor Jerry Brown says, “We will be further disadvantaged under the Medicaid expansions mandated under the Affordable Care Act … proposals to shift several billion dollars in Medicaid costs to California would be devastating and would clearly move us in the wrong direction.” (Gov. Jerry Brown, Letter To President Obama, June 27, 2011)


Obamacare will also cost federal taxpayers much more than Obama claimed, as recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections illustrate. The CBO has repeatedly had to increase its cost estimate for Obamacare as more and more assumptions behind Obamacare’s ridiculously low $900 billion price tag have turned out to be false. Thus, Obamacare will increase the federal budget deficit, rather than reducing it slightly as Obama had claimed it would. It will increase the deficit despite the fact that Obamacare imposes a host of new taxes and fees, mostly starting in 2013. Obamacare taxes medical devices and cosmetic surgery, arbitrarily discriminates against certain hospitals, and raises taxes starting in 2013 on investors."

http://www.openmarket.org/2012/03/28/obamacare-harms-state-finances-imposes-unfunded-mandates-drives-up-state-budget-deficits-even-democrats-criticize-provisions/

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nochain wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:....per Ryan's discussion with Mike Wallace this week? Hmmmm.
Not funding legislation is a very favorite GOP tactic to keep something beneficial from actually going into effect. They love to under-fund things they don't approve of. Just another obstructionist move the country has come to appreciate. This is definitely NOTHING new! Here's an example.

http://patriotacts.com/congress-keeping-sec-and-cftc-underfunded-and-understaffed/

Hypocrite. The Dems Obamacare is one of the largest unfunded mandates facing states in history. Ever heard of MEDICAID??????

"As the National Governors Association noted in its Fall 2011 “Fiscal Survey Of States,” “state spending on Medicaid is likely to continue to see above average growth due to… the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.” (Obamacare is known as the “Affordable Care Act” or PPACA.) A congressional report, “Medicaid Expansion In The New Health Law: Costs To The States,” “conservatively estimates that PPACA will cost state taxpayers at least $118.04 billion through 2023.”

Even Democratic governors call its impact “devastating,” saying things like “I have no idea how we’re going to pay for it.” Gov. Steve Beshear (D-Ky.) notes that “starting in 2016, Washington will begin shifting that additional costs to the states. ‘I have no idea how we’re going to pay for it,’ Beshear said candidly.” (Editorial, “Medicaid Expansion Will Cost Taxpayers,” The Paducah Sun, Feb. 13, 2011). Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-Mont.) laments that “I’m going to have to double my patient load and run the risk of bankrupting Montana.” (“Montana Looks North For Health Care That Works ,” Yes Magazine, Oct. 21, 2011.) “In 2014, when the PPACA kicks in, many of the uninsured will be given the opportunity to enroll in Medicaid. With this change, Schweitzer expects the state’s Medicaid population to double, creating a huge financial burden on the state of Montana under the current health care system.” “The governor told Marguerite Salazar, a regional director of the Department of Health and Human Services, that Congress has designed a ‘pack of crap’ that gives away far too much” to special interests. California Governor Jerry Brown says, “We will be further disadvantaged under the Medicaid expansions mandated under the Affordable Care Act … proposals to shift several billion dollars in Medicaid costs to California would be devastating and would clearly move us in the wrong direction.” (Gov. Jerry Brown, Letter To President Obama, June 27, 2011)


Obamacare will also cost federal taxpayers much more than Obama claimed, as recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections illustrate. The CBO has repeatedly had to increase its cost estimate for Obamacare as more and more assumptions behind Obamacare’s ridiculously low $900 billion price tag have turned out to be false. Thus, Obamacare will increase the federal budget deficit, rather than reducing it slightly as Obama had claimed it would. It will increase the deficit despite the fact that Obamacare imposes a host of new taxes and fees, mostly starting in 2013. Obamacare taxes medical devices and cosmetic surgery, arbitrarily discriminates against certain hospitals, and raises taxes starting in 2013 on investors."

http://www.openmarket.org/2012/03/28/obamacare-harms-state-finances-imposes-unfunded-mandates-drives-up-state-budget-deficits-even-democrats-criticize-provisions/

Once again.....Rep Nancy Pelosi....Let's pass this [name] cowh healthcare then we'll look inside to find out what's there....This is owned and created by the cowh and it's his mess....

cool1

cool1

funding something that does not work--they cant tell you whats in it before it passes----no money then .

how many of us would go buy car insurance , without knowing what we are covered with.

would you buy life ins---without knowing whats on the paperwork?

would you go and buy food without knowing the cost?

would you buy a car without looking inside?

would you buy cigg--not knowing the brand--lol if you are a smoker?

would we buy property without looking the place over?

would you really buy or feel compfortable to the fact that they want you to purchase health insurance that they themselves dont know whats in it --and they did not read themselves --- good luck with that.

how about I sell you some worms but not tell you the price till you get here--- then when you get here its not the price you had hoped for and then you think ! maybe I should have asked before showing up ?
If you want people to buy stuff you have to inform them what the heck you are selling--most important what is the cost !

Slicef18

Slicef18

cool1 wrote: funding something that does not work--they cant tell you whats in it before it passes----no money then .

how many of us would go buy car insurance , without knowing what we are covered with.

would you buy life ins---without knowing whats on the paperwork?

would you go and buy food without knowing the cost?

would you buy a car without looking inside?

would you buy cigg--not knowing the brand--lol if you are a smoker?

would we buy property without looking the place over?

would you really buy or feel compfortable to the fact that they want you to purchase health insurance that they themselves dont know whats in it --and they did not read themselves --- good luck with that.

how about I sell you some worms but not tell you the price till you get here--- then when you get here its not the price you had hoped for and then you think ! maybe I should have asked before showing up ?
If you want people to buy stuff you have to inform them what the heck you are selling--most important what is the cost !




Good points. However we already buy Social Security and Medicare without knowing the specifics of cost , benefit.

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Slicef18 wrote:
cool1 wrote: funding something that does not work--they cant tell you whats in it before it passes----no money then .

how many of us would go buy car insurance , without knowing what we are covered with.

would you buy life ins---without knowing whats on the paperwork?

would you go and buy food without knowing the cost?

would you buy a car without looking inside?

would you buy cigg--not knowing the brand--lol if you are a smoker?

would we buy property without looking the place over?

would you really buy or feel compfortable to the fact that they want you to purchase health insurance that they themselves dont know whats in it --and they did not read themselves --- good luck with that.

how about I sell you some worms but not tell you the price till you get here--- then when you get here its not the price you had hoped for and then you think ! maybe I should have asked before showing up ?
If you want people to buy stuff you have to inform them what the heck you are selling--most important what is the cost !




Good points. However we already buy Social Security and Medicare without knowing the specifics of cost , benefit.

NO,we FUND those out of our current earnings. We don't BUY them.

Slicef18

Slicef18

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Slicef18 wrote:
cool1 wrote: funding something that does not work--they cant tell you whats in it before it passes----no money then .

how many of us would go buy car insurance , without knowing what we are covered with.

would you buy life ins---without knowing whats on the paperwork?

would you go and buy food without knowing the cost?

would you buy a car without looking inside?

would you buy cigg--not knowing the brand--lol if you are a smoker?

would we buy property without looking the place over?

would you really buy or feel compfortable to the fact that they want you to purchase health insurance that they themselves dont know whats in it --and they did not read themselves --- good luck with that.

how about I sell you some worms but not tell you the price till you get here--- then when you get here its not the price you had hoped for and then you think ! maybe I should have asked before showing up ?
If you want people to buy stuff you have to inform them what the heck you are selling--most important what is the cost !




Good points. However we already buy Social Security and Medicare without knowing the specifics of cost , benefit.

NO,we FUND those out of our current earnings. We don't BUY them.


Someone who turned 65 or 66 and receives Social Security monies based on prior earnings not current earnings.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

nochain wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:....per Ryan's discussion with Mike Wallace this week? Hmmmm.
Not funding legislation is a very favorite GOP tactic to keep something beneficial from actually going into effect. They love to under-fund things they don't approve of. Just another obstructionist move the country has come to appreciate. This is definitely NOTHING new! Here's an example.

http://patriotacts.com/congress-keeping-sec-and-cftc-underfunded-and-understaffed/

Hypocrite. The Dems Obamacare is one of the largest unfunded mandates facing states in history. Ever heard of MEDICAID??????

"As the National Governors Association noted in its Fall 2011 “Fiscal Survey Of States,” “state spending on Medicaid is likely to continue to see above average growth due to… the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.” (Obamacare is known as the “Affordable Care Act” or PPACA.) A congressional report, “Medicaid Expansion In The New Health Law: Costs To The States,” “conservatively estimates that PPACA will cost state taxpayers at least $118.04 billion through 2023.”

Even Democratic governors call its impact “devastating,” saying things like “I have no idea how we’re going to pay for it.” Gov. Steve Beshear (D-Ky.) notes that “starting in 2016, Washington will begin shifting that additional costs to the states. ‘I have no idea how we’re going to pay for it,’ Beshear said candidly.” (Editorial, “Medicaid Expansion Will Cost Taxpayers,” The Paducah Sun, Feb. 13, 2011). Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-Mont.) laments that “I’m going to have to double my patient load and run the risk of bankrupting Montana.” (“Montana Looks North For Health Care That Works ,” Yes Magazine, Oct. 21, 2011.) “In 2014, when the PPACA kicks in, many of the uninsured will be given the opportunity to enroll in Medicaid. With this change, Schweitzer expects the state’s Medicaid population to double, creating a huge financial burden on the state of Montana under the current health care system.” “The governor told Marguerite Salazar, a regional director of the Department of Health and Human Services, that Congress has designed a ‘pack of crap’ that gives away far too much” to special interests. California Governor Jerry Brown says, “We will be further disadvantaged under the Medicaid expansions mandated under the Affordable Care Act … proposals to shift several billion dollars in Medicaid costs to California would be devastating and would clearly move us in the wrong direction.” (Gov. Jerry Brown, Letter To President Obama, June 27, 2011)


Obamacare will also cost federal taxpayers much more than Obama claimed, as recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections illustrate. The CBO has repeatedly had to increase its cost estimate for Obamacare as more and more assumptions behind Obamacare’s ridiculously low $900 billion price tag have turned out to be false. Thus, Obamacare will increase the federal budget deficit, rather than reducing it slightly as Obama had claimed it would. It will increase the deficit despite the fact that Obamacare imposes a host of new taxes and fees, mostly starting in 2013. Obamacare taxes medical devices and cosmetic surgery, arbitrarily discriminates against certain hospitals, and raises taxes starting in 2013 on investors."

http://www.openmarket.org/2012/03/28/obamacare-harms-state-finances-imposes-unfunded-mandates-drives-up-state-budget-deficits-even-democrats-criticize-provisions/

This is a huge topic to be sure. First, you are not talking about underfunding or not funding laws that have been passed. That's the topic here, the GOP (again) talking about under-funding or not funding the ACA Act.

Second, I think anyone who stopped and thought about the mechanics of admitting millions more people to the health care system sort of "got" that it would cost more than it does now because more people are covered.

Third, the savings are seen down the road as more people get preventive care and health screenings that detect problems early which reduces the cost of treatment in the long run. This is not the sort of situation where the savings are going to neatly pop up on the bottom line of the first quarter. Be patient.

Fourth, a great deal of the way we approach so called "health care" is no such thing. It is a system that pays doctors for procedures performed no matter how effective they are, no matter if the patient's health improves. It is a stupid system.

Please see the thread: Our counter-productive disease management system, for further details on how the system is messed up.

The real question that no one is asking is this: WHY DOES OUR "HEALTH" CARE DELIVERY SYSTEM cost so much??!! It is the health insurance Industry and pharmaceutical companies, the way hospitals bill etc. It needs a complete overhaul before it becomes a good system. The ACA will be a start of fixing it, not the final solution.

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[quote="othershoe1030"][quote="nochain"]
othershoe1030 wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:.../

First, you are not talking about underfunding or not funding laws that have been passed. That's the topic here, the GOP (again) talking about under-funding or not funding the ACA Act. The ACA will be a start of fixing it, not the final solution.

There really is no difference between not funding or underfunding something whether by commission (proposed R solution) or by the Dems not funding a federal mandate by omission. The end result to the states through the Dem omission is higher health care costs funded by state revenue. That is what even the DEM governors are saying. That is also the problem with ALL massive Federal mandates - the burden for paying for these feel good programs falls squarely on states already struggling in a pitiful economy with high unemployment, even higher underemployment, and a gutted middle class who have watched their incomes stagnate at best and decrease at worst.

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It's kind of funny that it's now illegal for an individual to choose not fund their own healthcare...

In a statist kinda way.

I can't wait for the screams to begin from those pushed into the margin that will have healthcare but forced onto food stamps or welfare. This will happen... there is no free healthcare... and anybody thinking the govt will run something at a savings must have rocks in their head. The govt is the direct reason that healthcare is what it is today... it created and manipulated and controlled the entire system.

Gawd we're dumb. This will further reduce the middle class and perpetuate our growing entitlement society.

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PkrBum wrote:It's kind of funny that it's now illegal for an individual to choose not fund their own healthcare...

In a statist kinda way.

I can't wait for the screams to begin from those pushed into the margin that will have healthcare but forced onto food stamps or welfare. This will happen... there is no free healthcare... and anybody thinking the govt will run something at a savings must have rocks in their head. The govt is the direct reason that healthcare is what it is today... it created and manipulated and controlled the entire system.

Gawd we're dumb. This will further reduce the middle class and perpetuate our growing entitlement society.

....................................

Damned straight. It's time we privatize our military and get rid of those stoopid regs that tie their budgeting hands behind their fanny pack. And ROE...? Fuck that noise. Let the market decide.

Capitalism rocks.

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Ryan is going to waste a couple of precious months fighting something that is law and either will eventually fall apart in the next couple of years or they will tweak it so it will work. Another budget deadline sidelined because this eddie munster look a like can't get thru his head that it is law. It is a waste of taxpayer money at this point and will never get thru the senate. What a wasted individual.

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Roddy wrote:
PkrBum wrote:It's kind of funny that it's now illegal for an individual to choose not fund their own healthcare...

In a statist kinda way.

I can't wait for the screams to begin from those pushed into the margin that will have healthcare but forced onto food stamps or welfare. This will happen... there is no free healthcare... and anybody thinking the govt will run something at a savings must have rocks in their head. The govt is the direct reason that healthcare is what it is today... it created and manipulated and controlled the entire system.

Gawd we're dumb. This will further reduce the middle class and perpetuate our growing entitlement society.

....................................

Damned straight. It's time we privatize our military and get rid of those stoopid regs that tie their budgeting hands behind their fanny pack. And ROE...? Fuck that noise. Let the market decide.

Capitalism rocks.

A constitutional military would look very different. No standing army during peace times (although it's exceedingly easy to call something a war today). A special forces that required special extensive training, a navy/coast guard, and border defense. No foreign bases... no imperial/interventional/preemptive wars. The states would control and fund a guard/militia if they chose (not national).

Imagine the savings... if you can. The military today was contrived by fear and a false security.

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Some of them may talk about this, but they wont. Why? Because the people are ignorant to what it really is.

Perhaps by 2016 this actually might be a viable conversation to have with the masses. But right now the masses are not the ones getting thier asses beat, its the healthcare system. And most of that system still hasnt gotten its full ass handed to em yet, that will probaly happen after the nice big bribe of a increased medicaid is over and that doc fix waiver runs out. By that very same time line will be when the mandate will be in full swing and it will be costing the poorest of the poor more than a hundred bucks. Yep, that will be the time to have this conversation. But before, seriously. people will jsut think your mean and evil to take what they think is a freebi away.

I will say I have studied and studied this bill. Because it is part of my job to be in the know.

obama surprised me here with this bill. I would have thought a person who wanted to go after lazy asses not paying anything would have created this bill. Because thats exactly what its going to do, go after the people who dont think they can pay for healthcare but instead buy shoes etc etc etc.

However on top of that he really went after everybody. Because he has a european mentality, not a american mentality.

I got an update the other day at work and Ill have to show it to you later but basically its from a appointed group that talks about the need to reduce services because they are over used. And what I found amazing about it wasnt even that, it mentioned that private insurances was included in that. What did that make me think? That made me think the gov is also in control of private insurance too. The Gov has seized healthcare as a means to subdue you fat ass greedy Americans. Twisted Evil

knothead

knothead

cool1 wrote: funding something that does not work--they cant tell you whats in it before it passes----no money then .

how many of us would go buy car insurance , without knowing what we are covered with.

would you buy life ins---without knowing whats on the paperwork?

would you go and buy food without knowing the cost?

would you buy a car without looking inside?

would you buy cigg--not knowing the brand--lol if you are a smoker?

would we buy property without looking the place over?

would you really buy or feel compfortable to the fact that they want you to purchase health insurance that they themselves dont know whats in it --and they did not read themselves --- good luck with that.

how about I sell you some worms but not tell you the price till you get here--- then when you get here its not the price you had hoped for and then you think ! maybe I should have asked before showing up ?
If you want people to buy stuff you have to inform them what the heck you are selling--most important what is the cost !

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cool: The worm thing is bugging me (no pun intended) but are you are bluegill fisherman(woman) or do you sell worms as a side income, just curious . . . .

cool1

cool1

I fresh water fish and love it --I do this just to make money to help out my husband I started when my child was small , I worked for years and I put my daughter in daycare because my boss said we need you back -I took off work when my daughter came .

So I went back to work worried to put my daughter in daycare I heard so much about children getting sick in daycare-1st week she got pink eye 2nd week something else 3rd week sick again -wow she never got sick before

So I picked up my daughter from daycare and she never went back again so there I was sitting at home and wanted to work at the same time so this man I call Dad told me why dont you do worm beds -worms sell --so thats what I did I dug the whole back yard up ---that was not a good thing to do Ive learned over the years lol

I skipped last year -had to move and take care of this lady I call mom -geez I have so many moms and dadas over the years --Ok so then this year im having it a lil rough getting it started --I should be ready in couple of weeks --got me a car sign for the first time -im excited -If I flop I will let ya know Rolling Eyes

cool1

cool1

OK back on subject---looked up at the tv -husband just said they have 20 thousand new regulations on Obama care , The paper work is 7 feet tall --come on man enough is enough Mad

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cool1 wrote:I fresh water fish and love it --I do this just to make money to help out my husband I started when my child was small , I worked for years and I put my daughter in daycare because my boss said we need you back -I took off work when my daughter came .

So I went back to work worried to put my daughter in daycare I heard so much about children getting sick in daycare-1st week she got pink eye 2nd week something else 3rd week sick again -wow she never got sick before

So I picked up my daughter from daycare and she never went back again so there I was sitting at home and wanted to work at the same time so this man I call Dad told me why dont you do worm beds -worms sell --so thats what I did I dug the whole back yard up ---that was not a good thing to do Ive learned over the years lol

I skipped last year -had to move and take care of this lady I call mom -geez I have so many moms and dadas over the years --Ok so then this year im having it a lil rough getting it started --I should be ready in couple of weeks --got me a car sign for the first time -im excited -If I flop I will let ya know Rolling Eyes

That's what happens when you're around other children,Cool. Did you not let her go to school?

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Dreamsglore wrote:
cool1 wrote:I fresh water fish and love it --I do this just to make money to help out my husband I started when my child was small , I worked for years and I put my daughter in daycare because my boss said we need you back -I took off work when my daughter came .

So I went back to work worried to put my daughter in daycare I heard so much about children getting sick in daycare-1st week she got pink eye 2nd week something else 3rd week sick again -wow she never got sick before

So I picked up my daughter from daycare and she never went back again so there I was sitting at home and wanted to work at the same time so this man I call Dad told me why dont you do worm beds -worms sell --so thats what I did I dug the whole back yard up ---that was not a good thing to do Ive learned over the years lol

I skipped last year -had to move and take care of this lady I call mom -geez I have so many moms and dadas over the years --Ok so then this year im having it a lil rough getting it started --I should be ready in couple of weeks --got me a car sign for the first time -im excited -If I flop I will let ya know Rolling Eyes

That's what happens when you're around other children,Cool. Did you not let her go to school?

So what if she did? Home school is legal.

KarlRove

KarlRove

PkrBum wrote:
Roddy wrote:
PkrBum wrote:It's kind of funny that it's now illegal for an individual to choose not fund their own healthcare...

In a statist kinda way.

I can't wait for the screams to begin from those pushed into the margin that will have healthcare but forced onto food stamps or welfare. This will happen... there is no free healthcare... and anybody thinking the govt will run something at a savings must have rocks in their head. The govt is the direct reason that healthcare is what it is today... it created and manipulated and controlled the entire system.

Gawd we're dumb. This will further reduce the middle class and perpetuate our growing entitlement society.

....................................

Damned straight. It's time we privatize our military and get rid of those stoopid regs that tie their budgeting hands behind their fanny pack. And ROE...? Fuck that noise. Let the market decide.

Capitalism rocks.

A constitutional military would look very different. No standing army during peace times (although it's exceedingly easy to call something a war today). A special forces that required special extensive training, a navy/coast guard, and border defense. No foreign bases... no imperial/interventional/preemptive wars. The states would control and fund a guard/militia if they chose (not national).

Imagine the savings... if you can. The military today was contrived by fear and a false security.

Yes, lets throw away our national defense mechanism. While your at it, start learning Farsi and Mandarin Chinese as well.

knothead

knothead

I fresh water fish and love it

cool: Thanks for satisfying my curiosity . . . . I suspected you did! The best bluegill bait in the world is a big ole cockroach believe it or not . . . . . btw I admire your work ethic and tenacity, hang in.

cool1

cool1

Dreamsglore wrote:
cool1 wrote:I fresh water fish and love it --I do this just to make money to help out my husband I started when my child was small , I worked for years and I put my daughter in daycare because my boss said we need you back -I took off work when my daughter came .

So I went back to work worried to put my daughter in daycare I heard so much about children getting sick in daycare-1st week she got pink eye 2nd week something else 3rd week sick again -wow she never got sick before

So I picked up my daughter from daycare and she never went back again so there I was sitting at home and wanted to work at the same time so this man I call Dad told me why dont you do worm beds -worms sell --so thats what I did I dug the whole back yard up ---that was not a good thing to do Ive learned over the years lol

I skipped last year -had to move and take care of this lady I call mom -geez I have so many moms and dadas over the years --Ok so then this year im having it a lil rough getting it started --I should be ready in couple of weeks --got me a car sign for the first time -im excited -If I flop I will let ya know Rolling Eyes

That's what happens when you're around other children,Cool. Did you not let her go to school?
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?? Did you not let her go to school?? she was 6 months old -I said Day care made her sick- I was warned-I didnt listen and put her in daycare!

Of course she went to school lol--------- I just felt it wasnt school time yet and if I could stay home with her and keep her well for a few years and I had the choice to work and have my baby sick every week from day-care at 6 months old damn right I stayed home -lol

I couldnt home school ! Im not that brave to trust my childs future in my hands when it comes to school Laughing

nope she does just fine 1 year left and she graduates-6years of band , And section leader in band--AB magnet student--gpa-3.5 ---3rd year criminal Justice - she is taking honors classes and next year she will be taking 2 college classes and the job she is going after is forensic scientist .

And she has a good attitude and sweet ! And she has geeky friends so I dont have to worry about what she is doing when she goes out--I can sit back and relaxe and praise the job we at home and support from her teachers have done- I thank god for teachers Laughing

she seas what goes on around her and says im not getting pregnant and ruin everything I worked so hard to get Laughing

heehee she is doing everything I should have done Laughing

I have to! when im gone and her dads gone well she has no one ok so I have to get it right ! No one will be there for her so im doing everything I can to have her not to suffer as I have in the past thats all its a have to thing--she was a book baby --read to her every night , we had fun doing that lol----her first make belief friend --Jack on the Titanic , I would go to her room and tell her Jacks going to clean your room before you and she would say no no and she would pick up her toys---OH GOSH I COULD GO ON FOREVER- OK one more just one more ---I let her listen to music when she was little she loved music----I put her to bed and kissed her goodnight and she said to me----IM sorry mamma im cleaning out my clauset ---I said what and she said it again----went into the living room told my husband he laughed ---song by M&M --- Laughing please one more I went to put monney under her pillow and thought she was asleep---she caught the tooth fairy grabbed my hand and said NO out loud --heehee I jumped back and screamed ok cool shut up Rolling Eyes

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cool1 wrote:I fresh water fish and love it --I do this just to make money to help out my husband I started when my child was small , I worked for years and I put my daughter in daycare because my boss said we need you back -I took off work when my daughter came .

So I went back to work worried to put my daughter in daycare I heard so much about children getting sick in daycare-1st week she got pink eye 2nd week something else 3rd week sick again -wow she never got sick before

So I picked up my daughter from daycare and she never went back again so there I was sitting at home and wanted to work at the same time so this man I call Dad told me why dont you do worm beds -worms sell --so thats what I did I dug the whole back yard up ---that was not a good thing to do Ive learned over the years lol

I skipped last year -had to move and take care of this lady I call mom -geez I have so many moms and dadas over the years --Ok so then this year im having it a lil rough getting it started --I should be ready in couple of weeks --got me a car sign for the first time -im excited -If I flop I will let ya know Rolling Eyes

That's what happens when you're around other children,Cool. Did you not let her go to school?

So what if she did? Home school is legal.

Was anybody talking to you,jerk?

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