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“It's hard to recall a time when we were so leaderless.” (David Gergen of CNN)

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Gergen tells it like it really is – “We are leaderless, neither Congress nor (the) President is taking responsibility.”

I agree.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/27/opinion/gergen-budget/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3

2seaoat



I respectfully disagree with David. We have strong leadership on both sides, but they are working for their respective constituency. It is not a question of leadership, it is a question of definition of American interest. There is no common ground where the politics of Washington are working for Americans, rather they have become so polarized that what is best for the average American has almost become secondary to special interests and their feedback to leadership. The problem is not with leadership, it is with us to allow something like the big S.......we need to be heard in mass.....Americans need to take our country back from the polarizing politics of Washington and demand that they look out for everyday Americans and our jobs. Almost 80% of Americans want loopholes and subsidies looked at, yet if a starting point one side on this debate says it is off the table.....it is not a question of leadership.....it is us.....we need to be heard, and we need to remove those who are not responding to the needs of the average American.

Sal

Sal

Bullshit.

Boehner publicly stated that he will not consider any compromise that includes any more taxes on the wealthy or that closes any loopholes that they employ to avoid paying their fair share.

The only thing Boehner will consider is trading military cuts for more cuts to the safety net.

If Obama were to accept that demand, it would not be leading.

It would be capitulating.

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2seaoat wrote:We have strong leadership on both sides, but they are working for their respective constituency.

That is essentially a self-defeating argument in that a "strong leader" - on a national interest scale - should not be as concerned with their constituency at the same level as the whole country. One would expect more self serving interests at the Congressional/Senatorial level (since we unfortunately don't have term limits for those cretins) but what of BHO? He can't be reelected! One would think he could be more like Clinton as illustrated in the article.

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Sal wrote:Bullshit.

Boehner publicly stated that he will not consider any compromise that includes any more taxes on the wealthy or that closes any loopholes that they employ to avoid paying their fair share.

The only thing Boehner will consider is trading military cuts for more cuts to the safety net.

If Obama were to accept that demand, it would not be leading.

It would be capitulating.

And the only thing BHO will consider is.... And so the circle jerk continues from both sides. So to be fair Boenher should capitulate but you don't expect BHO to give an inch???? Talk about reaching a new level of hypocrisy - you are there!

IMO I don't think either side is really concerned about the unknown events of tomorrow. They are just being their typical do nothing drama queen selves. SOSDD.

Sal

Sal

nochain wrote:
Sal wrote:Bullshit.

Boehner publicly stated that he will not consider any compromise that includes any more taxes on the wealthy or that closes any loopholes that they employ to avoid paying their fair share.

The only thing Boehner will consider is trading military cuts for more cuts to the safety net.

If Obama were to accept that demand, it would not be leading.

It would be capitulating.

And the only thing BHO will consider is.... And so the circle jerk continues from both sides. So to be fair Boenher should capitulate but you don't expect BHO to give an inch???? Talk about reaching a new level of hypocrisy - you are there!

IMO I don't think either side is really concerned about the unknown events of tomorrow. They are just being their typical do nothing drama queen selves. SOSDD.

Why don't you get just a little informed?

Obama has put significant entitlement cuts on the table in exchange for a marginal tax increase on billionaires and closure of loopholes that benefit them.

He's even included cuts to SSI, even though that doesn't have anything to do with any of this.

The offer is there in black in white.

Far left progressives are livid that Obama has even offered such concessions.

But, Boehner can't take yes for an answer because he is beholden to lunatics.

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Guest

Sal wrote:
nochain wrote:
Sal wrote:Bullshit.

Boehner publicly stated that he will not consider any compromise that includes any more taxes on the wealthy or that closes any loopholes that they employ to avoid paying their fair share.

The only thing Boehner will consider is trading military cuts for more cuts to the safety net.

If Obama were to accept that demand, it would not be leading.

It would be capitulating.

And the only thing BHO will consider is.... And so the circle jerk continues from both sides. So to be fair Boenher should capitulate but you don't expect BHO to give an inch???? Talk about reaching a new level of hypocrisy - you are there!

IMO I don't think either side is really concerned about the unknown events of tomorrow. They are just being their typical do nothing drama queen selves. SOSDD.

Why don't you get just a little informed?

Obama has put significant entitlement cuts on the table in exchange for a marginal tax increase on billionaires and closure of loopholes that benefit them.

He's even included cuts to SSI, even though that doesn't have anything to do with any of this.

The offer is there in black in white.

Far left progressives are livid that Obama has even offered such concessions.

But, Boehner can't take yes for an answer because he is beholden to lunatics.

If you think the minor entitlement cuts BHO has proposed are significant you need to get better informed. All BHO is doing is using smoke and mirrors in discretionary funding programs. Should Boehner take what he can and go down the road? Sure, a little of something is better than all of nothing but some of BHOs numbers are not hard and fast - particularly the figures related to "health care". The big cost drivers are apparently still untouchable - Social Security (the big lie) and Medicare. In short, BHO is not serious and Boehner is not smart enough to forge a better deal in closing tax loopholes - some of which BHO proposed already. That is why I said previously neither side is too concerned.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Gergen has written what on its' face looks like a pragmatic piece (oh, can't we JUST reach a compromise; if only we had a fearless leader, blah, blah, blah) but is really an extremely partisan attempt to throw mud at the President while exonerating Republicans for obstructing anything that's possible to block for the past 4 years...and I agree with Sal...a "compromise" would amount to capitulation on the part of the President.

CNN appears to be headed the way of FAUX NEWS...ratings, you know.

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
Gergen has written what on its' face looks like a pragmatic piece (oh, can't we JUST reach a compromise; if only we had a fearless leader, blah, blah, blah) but is really an extremely partisan attempt to throw mud at the President while exonerating Republicans for obstructing anything that's possible to block for the past 4 years...and I agree with Sal...a "compromise" would amount to capitulation on the part of the President.

CNN appears to be headed the way of FAUX NEWS...ratings, you know.

Now that's funny! Because he said something negative about BHO while in the same article said the very same thing about the R's that means he is now biased. Razz

2seaoat



Now that's funny! Because he said something negative about BHO while in the same article said the very same thing about the R's that means he is now biased. Razz


If you can explain how the President can show leadership when the other side is unwilling to look at tax loopholes and subsidy.......then I do not want leadership which is wrong.......I think this is a question of why are good people being thrown onto the streets while we subsidize Morgan Stanley and the other big banks to guarantee their loans where they brag about paying back TARP.....but continue to rape the American public.......We need to close those loopholes, reduce subsidies, and level the playing field. Moderate Republicans were leaders in these areas 20 years ago, but the crazies have shifted the paradigm to stupid......No Mr. G is usually a fair guy, but he is dead wrong here.....we need to go after additional revenues and make smart cuts.....and both have to be done slowly and carefully, not every 60 days with another manufactured crisis.

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