CBO now estimates 7 million will lose their insurance coverage under ObamaDoesntCare Health care

Margin Call wrote:People should be able to think for themselves and not rely on soundbites. Was anyone under the impression that there would be no employers opting to pay the penalty?

These people will be sent to the Exchanges. They will not have a problem finding comparable coverage.

doubtingthomas wrote:This is interesting.
http://capsules.kaiserhealthnews.org/index.php/2013/02/hhs-delays-basic-health-plan-option-until-2015/

othershoe1030 wrote:

doubtingthomas wrote:This is interesting.
http://capsules.kaiserhealthnews.org/index.php/2013/02/hhs-delays-basic-health-plan-option-until-2015/

Yes, it is interesting, thanks. It also makes me wonder how much less complicated this whole health care reform would have been if we'd just gone straight to medicare for all? Or at least start adding people by age working downward from 65?

nochain wrote:It certainly would have made more sense to build on the Medicare model since the infrastructure is already in place. I guess that would not have been dramatic enough though.

boards of FL wrote:

nochain wrote:It certainly would have made more sense to build on the Medicare model since the infrastructure is already in place. I guess that would not have been dramatic enough though.

And it wouldn't have passed. So we're instead stuck with the republican "free market solution".

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

nochain wrote:It certainly would have made more sense to build on the Medicare model since the infrastructure is already in place. I guess that would not have been dramatic enough though.

And it wouldn't have passed. So we're instead stuck with the republican "free market solution".

Free market? cmon... lol.

nochain wrote:

Margin Call wrote:People should be able to think for themselves and not rely on soundbites. Was anyone under the impression that there would be no employers opting to pay the penalty?

These people will be sent to the Exchanges. They will not have a problem finding comparable coverage.

"Soundbite" eh? In that case BHO was either lying or didn't know the subtleties of this massive fraud being foisted on us. As this monstrous program drags closer to full implementation I have a sneaky feeling there are going to be major costs and problems that have not been considered or more likely, that have been ignored.

Margin Call wrote:

nochain wrote:

Margin Call wrote:People should be able to think for themselves and not rely on soundbites. Was anyone under the impression that there would be no employers opting to pay the penalty?

These people will be sent to the Exchanges. They will not have a problem finding comparable coverage.

"Soundbite" eh? In that case BHO was either lying or didn't know the subtleties of this massive fraud being foisted on us. As this monstrous program drags closer to full implementation I have a sneaky feeling there are going to be major costs and problems that have not been considered or more likely, that have been ignored.

"Sneaky feeling" = "I've made up my mind that this will be a failure, without any evidence"

It couldn't have been clearer from the beginning that some employers would cease offering coverage and pay the penalty. Employers dropped coverage before Obamacare, as well. You have an agenda...period.

Why didn't you mention the many more millions that will have health insurance as a result of ACA? That was a rhetorical question, BTW.

nochain wrote:As for the millions (as you claim but don't really know how that will play out) who will now have health insurance -

PBulldog2 wrote:I'm kind of worried about how the whole pre-existing condition issue is going to go down.

This week, all employees at my company received a six-page blank form that asked all sorts of questions about our individual medical histories. If there was a question that could be asked, it was asked. I've never filled out a form that long at any physician's office.

I was appalled. I didn't even know it was legal for an employer to try to obtain this information.

What say you? Am I over-reacting? It's really bugging me, or I wouldn't ask.

Margin Call wrote:

nochain wrote:As for the millions (as you claim but don't really know how that will play out) who will now have health insurance -

That figure (26million) is from the same CBO report you are using as evidence of failure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You seem pretty sure the 7million data point is accurate.

psst...read the report next time.

Further, I never made any qualifying statements whether it was good or bad. I simply pointed out the obvious facts about one aspect of Obamacare that you seemed to have missed over the last three years. You have an agenda to marginalize the President instead of educating yourself. I'm not offering my final grade until this experiment until I see it in action, but am willing to accept that the CBO report is probably a best guess at this point.

nochain wrote:

Evidence of failure? I believe I stated that YOU don't know the outcome - you know the very same thing you are saying!!!!!!!!!!! Besides I didn't mention the number since my ORIGINAL post is about my frustration with the LOSS to currently insured folks and the big lie that you marginalize (if you are happy you can keep it drivel).

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

nochain wrote:It certainly would have made more sense to build on the Medicare model since the infrastructure is already in place. I guess that would not have been dramatic enough though.

And it wouldn't have passed. So we're instead stuck with the republican "free market solution".

Free market? cmon... lol.

Margin Call wrote:

nochain wrote:

Evidence of failure? I believe I stated that YOU don't know the outcome - you know the very same thing you are saying!!!!!!!!!!! Besides I didn't mention the number since my ORIGINAL post is about my frustration with the LOSS to currently insured folks and the big lie that you marginalize (if you are happy you can keep it drivel).

I read this five times and still don't know what you are trying to say.

doubtingthomas wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:I'm kind of worried about how the whole pre-existing condition issue is going to go down.

This week, all employees at my company received a six-page blank form that asked all sorts of questions about our individual medical histories. If there was a question that could be asked, it was asked. I've never filled out a form that long at any physician's office.

I was appalled. I didn't even know it was legal for an employer to try to obtain this information.

What say you? Am I over-reacting? It's really bugging me, or I wouldn't ask.

If it's group renewal time it is legal for the insurance company to ask the questions if your employer is changing health insurers or is self insured, but in any other circumstance I'd be contacting my attorney for violations of "Protected Health Information"

Margin Call wrote:

nochain wrote:As for the millions (as you claim but don't really know how that will play out) who will now have health insurance -

That figure (26million) is from the same CBO report you are using as evidence of failure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You seem pretty sure the 7million data point is accurate.

psst...read the report next time.

Further, I never made any qualifying statements whether it was good or bad. I simply pointed out the obvious facts about one aspect of Obamacare that you seemed to have missed over the last three years. You have an agenda to marginalize the President instead of educating yourself. I'm not offering my final grade until this experiment until I see it in action, but am willing to accept that the CBO report is probably a best guess at this point.