2016 Choice of the Dems

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

knothead wrote:Hillary will be a formidable candidate if she chooses to run (which I think she will) so I expect more formal attacks on her from the right. I would vote for her in a second, why? She has an impeccable resume' and is a proven and respected leader on a international platform. The GOP, while in disarray, will struggle to mount a serious challenge to her but that is in 2016 which is a long way off. I hope I live to see the election . . . .

If their competitor in '16 is going to be Hillary Clinton, supported by Bill Clinton and presumably, a still relatively popular President Barack Obama, trying to win that will be truly the Super Bowl. And the Republican Party today is incapable of competing at that level. She is married to the most popular Democrat in the country. They both think it would be good for her to be president. That makes it virtually impossible to stop (her) nomination, I think. But when I thought she was frankly going to be the nominee in '08. And I went all through the spring of '08 thinking she would beat [Barack] Obama.”

2seaoat wrote:in addition to the baggage of Benghazi

The race will not be about personalities.....it will be about policy, platforms, and inclusion. If the Republican Party excludes, works for 1% of our citizens, and wants to control a woman's body.....the numbers simply will not be available. The demographics of this nation are rapidly changing. The Republican Party sold their soul to the devil when they allowed the Tea Party to push them over the brink.......it will be a slow and painful extraction, but until their influence is minimal.....the Democrats will be elected.

2seaoat wrote:Rubio could be appealing to many young people. I have a deep seated respect with how he handled himself when he came to Pensacola during the peak of uncertainty with the BP spill pouring oil into the Gulf......and he did not hesitate to say at this critical time that we must continue to drill....when everybody else was attacking all drilling....it showed integrity and courage in my mind.

However, if Rubio is locked into the straight jacket of the current Republican platform, and the likes of Karl Rove and his billionaire sponsors.....he will be one more puppet of the Oligarchy. There needs to be a movement in the Republican Party among young Republicans to recapture that portion of the Republican Party which was always strong on the environment, was inclusive, and understood that fiscal conservatism gets us to balanced budgets which will have a blend of Revenue and cuts in spending. Youth must be a Republican strategy.....and Ryan is a footnote in history.....his performance in 2012 was dismal.....and any connection with a new campaign will bring back memories of Romney......there are many rising stars in the Republican Party who are way down the ranks and who must get national exposure....Clinton was unknown in his first run....Obama was a novice.....Carter came out of nowhere......and my prediction is that the business wing of the Republican Party has had it with the Karl Roves and Tea Party....they will find somebody young and unknown.....we will see.

othershoe1030 wrote:...if not burdened by the crazies.

How do you see the Republicans shedding this tea party skin?

Previously anyone who was even slightly critical of the crazy wing of the party got jumped all over by Rush & party. At least some are now declining to sign the Norquist pledge. That's a start.

2seaoat wrote:There is absolutely no doubt that careless drilling and avoidance of sound and principled regulation is a good thing, but there was a great overreaction at the time of the spill.....nobody was standing up and saying this nation needs our oil resources in the gulf, and we must continue to drill and maximize safeguards. I had not been much of a fan before that because he seemed to be a one dimensional life story of the refugee made good....but I heard his words.....and he did not try to play smart politician and avoid, smoke and mirrors, and say something which people wanted to hear.....he came when our beautiful beaches were being ruined....oil was still spewing.....and there was a pit in everybody's stomach.....it took courage, and integrity to say something like he did. I have some real problems with his appeal on issues with the crazies....but his integrity that day in Pensacola.....well he could be a formidable candidate if not burdened by the crazies.

2seaoat wrote:The way you word your question doesn't render you objective enough to deserve an answer.


Nope.....there is a definable crazy and radical fringe of the Republican Party which has turned off America. President Obama should never have been elected with the economy in the condition it has been for the last four years. It took extraordinary crazy to change America's vote in this election. There is no subjective when dealing with crazy......going into an "all in election" and you have the crazy faction talking about special juices which stop a woman who has been raped from getting pregnant.....nope....you can make me out as the crazy one....but there are standards, and the Michelle Bachmans of this world are certifiable loons.....period......and the Republican Party cannot win until intelligence and smart policy take precedence over looney tunes. Objective truth....period.

PkrBum wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:...if not burdened by the crazies.

How do you see the Republicans shedding this tea party skin?

Previously anyone who was even slightly critical of the crazy wing of the party got jumped all over by Rush & party. At least some are now declining to sign the Norquist pledge. That's a start.

The way you word your question doesn't render you objective enough to deserve an answer.

If you want to make an honest attempt to understand the base desires of conservatives... you won't find it through derogatory slurs or leftist talking points. I don't think you really have any desire for an answer.