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Bob wrote:Trust me, salinsky, if Bush or romney had refused to release his birth certificate.../snip/...you and every other obama lover would be taking the entirely opposite side on this.

.../snip/...

It's that simple, salinksy. You're all at a professional wrastlin match and you've all got your little wrastlers for each of your little fanboy clubs. And that dictates every position you take on every issue.

Bob wrote:Trust me, salinsky, if Bush or romney had refused to release his birth certificate (which obama did do until trump forced his hand) and if Bush had refused to release his college records, you and every other obama lover would be taking the entirely opposite side on this.
Just like if Romney or Bush was refusing to release his birth certificate or his college records, the Bush/romney lovers wouldn't give a shit about it just like you don't now.
It's that simple, salinksy. You're all at a professional wrastlin match and you've all got your little wrastlers for each of your little fanboy clubs. And that dictates every position you take on every issue.

salinsky wrote:

Here's the thing, Bob - crazies weren't clamoring to prove they were somehow different. Presidents are never asked to release their birth certificates and most have not released their college transcripts. In fact, Dubya was asked to release his college transcripts and he refused.

Why hasn't Romney released his college transcripts, Bob?

But better yet, why don't you care?

Tax returns, anyone?

salinsky wrote:
Here's the thing, Bob - crazies weren't clamoring to prove they were somehow different. Presidents are never asked to release their birth certificates and most have not released their college transcripts. In fact, Dubya was asked to release his college transcripts and he refused.

Why hasn't Romney released his college transcripts, Bob?

But better yet, why don't you care?

Tax returns, anyone?

Bob wrote:Amen, rice.

riceme wrote:
That being said, I think they all SHOULD! As I posted above, and as referred to by Bob, try getting a "regular" job in this day and age without doing so.

This is quite possibly the most important job on the planet... I think the voters should have a right to know this information in order to make an educated decision.

PkrBum wrote:Bush's transcripts were leaked by the New Yorker Magazine in 1999.

salinsky wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Bush's transcripts were leaked by the New Yorker Magazine in 1999.

Some of them were, but prior to that he refused to release them.

salinsky wrote:
You can make an educated decision without seeing a full college transcript.

Here's what we know;

Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University. As an undergraduate, he openly admits he wasn't a great student until he stopped using drugs. I can relate. He did not graduate with honors from Columbia, meaning he graduated with a GPA 2.0 - 3.3. It's safe to assume his GPA was closer to 3.3, however, because he was admitted to Harvard Law. In law school, it was a different story. He graduated magna cum laude and was editor of the Harvard Law Review. These are not honors bestowed upon mediocre students. That's enough for me. I don't need to know that he dropped Finite Math three times before passing at the age of nineteen because he was smoking too much grass and chasing too much ass.

2seaoat wrote:If anybody does not see America at a moral crossroads........then nothing better could represent it than the idea that a rich man can buy anything he wants........Donald Trump is a joke.....another smoke and mirrors........sociopath who has learned that his failings in his real estate ventures can be leveraged by his entertainment revenues. He is sadly not relevant, but why America does not say NO to the oligarchy and these pathetic agents of the same is beyond me.

I will pay you five million dollars if you will release the police report that has you beating your wife.............only a fool tries to prove that they never beat their wife.....when there never was a question about the same. Mr. Trump and his kind think that the 47% are air breathers.....that they have a vision for America..........Trump is a pathetic Joke, and half the people who watch his entertainment products are secretely laughing at his arrogance....and that is what he counts on because much of his celebrity is a very negative draw to his arrogance.....but in the end......I fully expect Al Capone's vault will be opened next and we will discover the Obama had a b- in sociology........

Bob wrote:

riceme wrote:

Good point, but in his defense he's been put through unnecessary (in my opinion) hell by being forced to provided his freaking BC. I would be pretty damned touchy about further requests for information after that whole debacle, too. But yeah... educational background.

THAT being said, hell, I've had to prove that I have a Bachelors degree to two of my former employers and that I graduated w/honors, and I'm an Official Friggin' Nobody.

Yes you and me and every other peon would need to make his college records available to any potential employer who was hiring us for a job which needs us to have a college education (and if anyone is going to argue that a president doesn't need a college education then don't argue it to me because I'm not even going to listen to that).
So we're in agreement on that.

But this president job absolutely requires that he meet the eligibility requirements, one of which is natural born citizenship. And so I honestly don't believe that it's making any presidential candidate "go through unnecessary hell" to make him show us his long form birth certificate.
So on that one you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Floridatexan wrote:

Bob wrote:

riceme wrote:

Good point, but in his defense he's been put through unnecessary (in my opinion) hell by being forced to provided his freaking BC. I would be pretty damned touchy about further requests for information after that whole debacle, too. But yeah... educational background.

THAT being said, hell, I've had to prove that I have a Bachelors degree to two of my former employers and that I graduated w/honors, and I'm an Official Friggin' Nobody.

Yes you and me and every other peon would need to make his college records available to any potential employer who was hiring us for a job which needs us to have a college education (and if anyone is going to argue that a president doesn't need a college education then don't argue it to me because I'm not even going to listen to that).
So we're in agreement on that.

But this president job absolutely requires that he meet the eligibility requirements, one of which is natural born citizenship. And so I honestly don't believe that it's making any presidential candidate "go through unnecessary hell" to make him show us his long form birth certificate.
So on that one you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Bob, with all due respect to your argument, if you have a college degree and are being considered for employment where that degree is a prerequisite, prospective employers would be satisfied with a document that verifies your degree, and some might ask for your GPA. There's really no reason to examine Obama's individual courses.

Bob wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Bob wrote:
Yes you and me and every other peon would need to make his college records available to any potential employer who was hiring us for a job which needs us to have a college education (and if anyone is going to argue that a president doesn't need a college education then don't argue it to me because I'm not even going to listen to that).
So we're in agreement on that.

But this president job absolutely requires that he meet the eligibility requirements, one of which is natural born citizenship. And so I honestly don't believe that it's making any presidential candidate "go through unnecessary hell" to make him show us his long form birth certificate.
So on that one you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Bob, with all due respect to your argument, if you have a college degree and are being considered for employment where that degree is a prerequisite, prospective employers would be satisfied with a document that verifies your degree, and some might ask for your GPA. There's really no reason to examine Obama's individual courses.

actually I have to acknowledge that is a valid point.

riceme wrote:

Bob wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Bob wrote:
Yes you and me and every other peon would need to make his college records available to any potential employer who was hiring us for a job which needs us to have a college education (and if anyone is going to argue that a president doesn't need a college education then don't argue it to me because I'm not even going to listen to that).
So we're in agreement on that.

But this president job absolutely requires that he meet the eligibility requirements, one of which is natural born citizenship. And so I honestly don't believe that it's making any presidential candidate "go through unnecessary hell" to make him show us his long form birth certificate.
So on that one you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Bob, with all due respect to your argument, if you have a college degree and are being considered for employment where that degree is a prerequisite, prospective employers would be satisfied with a document that verifies your degree, and some might ask for your GPA. There's really no reason to examine Obama's individual courses.

actually I have to acknowledge that is a valid point.

I have to agree that is a valid point, and after consideration of your argument, I think GPAs from colleges would be totally acceptable. You're right... not necessary to examine each and every course.

Shoot, using myself as an example, I failed Calc I (only course that I EVER failed, and trust me I was traumatized) the first time I took it, but wound-up earning a minor in Mathematics. I very simply had a horrific professor the first time around who stated outright on the first day of class that women did not belong in math or the sciences and that there would be no women left in the class by the end of the semester. Being the stubborn girl that I am, I refused to withdraw or give up and was the last girl left in the class at the end of the semester, which began with a roughly 50:50 male to female ratio.

Nekochan wrote:
Wow, what a jackass....the professor, I mean.

Nekochan wrote:
Wow, what a jackass....the professor, I mean.
I took an accounting course once, as an undergrad, but our class was told by the professor that the class was also required for an MBA and so he had to make it "difficult". Well, damn, it was difficult for me. The tests in no way looked anything to me like what we had studied in class. I did pass the class (not sure how), but I think I should have gotten graduate credit for it. The very next semester, the class was changed to be a graduate only course.

salinsky wrote:

Bob wrote:Trust me, salinsky, if Bush or romney had refused to release his birth certificate (which obama did do until trump forced his hand) and if Bush had refused to release his college records, you and every other obama lover would be taking the entirely opposite side on this.
Just like if Romney or Bush was refusing to release his birth certificate or his college records, the Bush/romney lovers wouldn't give a shit about it just like you don't now.
It's that simple, salinksy. You're all at a professional wrastlin match and you've all got your little wrastlers for each of your little fanboy clubs. And that dictates every position you take on every issue.

Here's the thing, Bob - crazies weren't clamoring to prove they were somehow different. Presidents are never asked to release their birth certificates and most have not released their college transcripts. In fact, Dubya was asked to release his college transcripts and he refused.

Why hasn't Romney released his college transcripts, Bob?

But better yet, why don't you care?

Tax returns, anyone?

Bob wrote:I look at it like this, rice. I have tried to think of any reason whatsoever why a president (presidential candidate) would not be willing to release any of his college records OTHER THAN he's embarrased by what they would reveal. And I cannot think of any other possible reason. If someone can suggest a plausible reason other than that I'll gladly rethink this. But so far no one has.