Heres "the donalds" big news

Bob wrote:Well obviously it's a PR stunt for Trump. But regardless of that, what is Obama hiding by not letting this information be public? I think Trump, as egotistical and as much of an attention whore as he is, actually makes a very good point with this.

salinsky wrote:
Did you not pay attention to what he said about the birth certificate "or whatever it may be"? Did releasing his long form birth certificate satisfy the knuckle-draggers?

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riceme wrote:

salinsky wrote:
Did you not pay attention to what he said about the birth certificate "or whatever it may be"? Did releasing his long form birth certificate satisfy the knuckle-draggers?

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I have to agree w/Salinsky on the point regarding his BC "or whatever it may be" and I should have clarified in my post that I thought that was a ridiculous, absurd, ignorant comment he made about Obama's BC.

Bob wrote:1. Trump is an attention whore

2. Obama is hiding something really embarrasing about his college experience. There is no other reason for him to put a lid on it.
It's no different than Bush wanting to cover up his bullshit behaviour in the military.

1 and 2 above are not mutually exclusive.

When are some of you people going to stop wanting to always defend whichever one of these hulk hogans you believe to be your hero.

Bob wrote:1. Trump is an attention whore

2. Obama is hiding something really embarrasing about his college experience. There is no other reason for him to put a lid on it.
It's no different than Bush wanting to cover up his bullshit behaviour in the military.

1 and 2 above are not mutually exclusive.

When are some of you people going to stop wanting to always defend whichever one of these hulk hogans you believe to be your hero.

Nekochan wrote:It doesn't matter what would come out on Obama's college records--I don't think it would change election results. The birth certificate--well, his mother was an American citizen, so no matter how you want to read the Constitution or the Immigration laws, he still has on his side that his mother was an American citizen...that's a powerful defense and frankly, that is good enough to me and to most people, I think. If someone tried to say that one of my kids were not US citizens, I'd be pretty damn mad about it...

None of it matters. It's his RECORD! That's what matters.

Bob wrote:I look at it like this, rice. I have tried to think of any reason whatsoever why a president (presidential candidate) would not be willing to release any of his college records OTHER THAN he's embarrased by what they would reveal. And I cannot think of any other possible reason. If someone can suggest a plausible reason other than that I'll gladly rethink this. But so far no one has.

Bob wrote:

Nekochan wrote:It doesn't matter what would come out on Obama's college records--I don't think it would change election results. The birth certificate--well, his mother was an American citizen, so no matter how you want to read the Constitution or the Immigration laws, he still has on his side that his mother was an American citizen...that's a powerful defense and frankly, that is good enough to me and to most people, I think. If someone tried to say that one of my kids were not US citizens, I'd be pretty damn mad about it...

None of it matters. It's his RECORD! That's what matters.

Try going to get a job in which having a college education is important and telling the people who are considering hiring you "I refuse to let you know anything about my college records because it's none of your business".
And then get back to me with what those potential employers tell you.

Bob wrote:I look at it like this, rice. I have tried to think of any reason whatsoever why a president (presidential candidate) would not be willing to release any of his college records OTHER THAN he's embarrased by what they would reveal. And I cannot think of any other possible reason. If someone can suggest a plausible reason other than that I'll gladly rethink this. But so far no one has.

riceme wrote:

Good point, but in his defense he's been put through unnecessary (in my opinion) hell by being forced to provided his freaking BC. I would be pretty damned touchy about further requests for information after that whole debacle, too. But yeah... educational background.

THAT being said, hell, I've had to prove that I have a Bachelors degree to two of my former employers and that I graduated w/honors, and I'm an Official Friggin' Nobody.

Bob wrote:
Yes you and me and every other peon would need to make his college records available to any potential employer who was hiring us for a job which needs us to have a college education (and if anyone is going to argue that a president doesn't need a college education then don't argue it to me because I'm not even going to listen to that).
So we're in agreement on that.

But this president job absolutely requires that he meet the eligibility requirements, one of which is natural born citizenship. And so I honestly don't believe that it's making any presidential candidate "go through unnecessary hell" to make him show us his long form birth certificate.
So on that one you and I will have to agree to disagree.

Nekochan wrote:Bob, about having to give college records to potential employers--yes, I have had to prove I had a degree. I don't remember ever having to provide details on grades or provide a transcript.

Yes, I think he's hiding something. But again, I don't think it matters nearly as much as his 4 year record matters. I just do not care whether he got As or Ds in college.
***if he has a forged, fake degree--THEN we're onto something!

Bob wrote:
2. Obama is hiding something really embarrasing about his college experience. There is no other reason for him to put a lid on it.
It's no different than Bush wanting to cover up his bullshit behaviour in the military.