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1They need 'em dumb Empty They need 'em dumb on 12/2/2019, 5:06 pm


Well, I've always known that this was what they wanted, but I'm surprised they'd come right out and say it:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — A Republican Tennessee lawmaker says he supports getting rid of higher education because he argues it would cut off the “liberal breeding ground.”

Sen. Kerry Roberts of Springfield called for eliminating higher education while speaking about attending a recent abortion legislative hearing on his conservative radio talk show on Sept. 2.

Roberts specifically called out one activist who testified in favor of protecting abortion rights. He asserted without evidence that the woman’s beliefs were a “product of higher education” and claimed that getting rid of higher education would “save America.”

The senator did not immediately respond to a request for further elaboration.

Roberts also questioned funding higher education with tax dollars. He voted in favor of the state’s $38.5 billion budget earlier this year, which included money for colleges and universities.

They need a dumb, misinformed, complacent populace to stay in power. And staying in power is more important to them than having an intelligent population.

Meanwhile, that kind of thinking gets you this:

I’m not sure exactly when my family got the idea that we were at war with larger American culture. But I know that at some point our lessons about God’s love became peppered with the idea that we were engaged in spiritual warfare, inhabiting a world where dark forces were constantly attempting to sever us from the will of God. The devil was real, and he was at work through “gay” Teletubbies and pagan Smurfs, through Dungeons & Dragons, through the horrors of MTV. At one point, my parents forbade TV altogether, and disconnected the stereo system in my car. We still loved Uncle Robert, but believed that the AIDS he’d contracted was a plague sent by God, just as we believed that abortion was our national sin, for which the country would likewise be held accountable. We awaited the Rapture, when Christians would be spirited away and Jesus would return to deal (violently) with the mess humans had made of things. Over time, and even before the introduction of Fox News, whatever nuance we might have seen in the culture evaporated into a stark polarity.

Zooming out, that cleaving was by design: It created a powerful us-versus-them mentality that mobilized the Christian base fiscally and politically. We were Christian soldiers, and the weapons we had were our votes and our tithes. “The persecution trope is a hell of a fundraising pitch,” says Charles Marsh, a professor of religious studies at the University of Virginia. “For evangelical activists and leaders, many of whom run nonprofits or rely on charitable contributions, that is the most direct and successful way to captivate conservative Christians.”

The wedge issues created during the culture wars of the Eighties and Nineties were thus not matters of equality and social justice or anything that might evoke the liberalism of the Social Gospel (though Jesus spoke on such matters abundantly). Rather they were divisive, pushing the Republican Party further to the right and exacerbating Christians’ sense of being a people apart.

By the time Trump came along, the gulf was so wide that criticizing Trump’s behavior seemed beside the point. There was now a scorched-earth policy, and any leader who tackled the wedge issues with Trumpian ferocity was on the side of righteousness. Which also happened to be where the money was.

This is why they install people like Betsy DeVos, who want to weaken public schools ( ) and concentrate on private school... because private schools can push religion. The one I went to certainly did. Lucky for me it didn't take. Unluckily for me, they didn't teach much else, so I had a lot of catching up to do when I got to college, compared to people who'd gone to the local public school. The public school was waaaaaaay ahead of us in every single subject. But, we got a devotional piped through the P.A. every day, so... yay? Rolling Eyes

To continue:

Unlearning one’s religion is not a task that is easily accomplished; I had to leave America to manage it. I was in my early twenties, living in London, when my mother called to inform me that if I did not cast my absentee ballot for George W. Bush, I could not possibly be a real Christian. She was adamant, unyielding. So entwined had the policies of the Republican Party become with her faith that it seemed to me she could no longer untangle them.

You can't untangle them, because they aren't even tangled anymore... they're replaced. There is nothing about Jesus in right-wing Christianity anymore. They despise what Jesus actually taught, because that's too close to socialism.

They got duped and led and now we are where we are: people who honestly think they're "good people" making excuses to themselves to prop up an evil idiot who's doing great harm. Trump has shoved Jesus aside.

By creating a narrative of an evil “deep state” and casting himself — a powerful white man of immense generational wealth — as a victim in his own right, Trump not only tapped into the religious right’s familiar feeling of persecution, but he also cast himself as its savior, a man of flesh who would fight the holy war on its behalf. “There’s been a real determined effort by the left to try to separate Trump from his evangelical base by shaming them into, ‘How can you support a guy like this?’ ” Jeffress tells me. “Nobody’s confused. People don’t care really about the personality of a warrior; they want him to win the fight.” And Trump’s coming to that fight with a firebrand’s feeling, turning the political stage into an ecstatic experience — a conversion moment of sorts — and the average white evangelical into an acolyte, someone who would attend rallies with the fever of revivals, listen to speeches as if they were sermons, display their faithfulness with MAGA hats, send in money as if tithing, and metaphorically bow down, again and again, at the altar of Donald Trump, who delivers the nation from its transgressions.

You can look at any successful cult. Almost every one of them starts out using an existing religion, because it's easier to work on people who have all the rest of the mechanics of worship in place, and are used to a life of "faith." Then all you have to do is unplug the godhead and replace it with yourself.

Charles Manson didn't start from scratch; he started out by telling his followers he was Jesus.

David Koresh also preached Jesus... but then slid himself in there as the "interpreter of Jesus's word."

Jim Jones' church was a Christian church until he got 'em out in Guyana and slowly substituted himself for "the Father."

The Heaven's Gate cult leader started with Revelations to justify all their actions.

The Moonies see Sun Myung Moon as a "continuation" of Jesus.

ISIS and similar radicalized branches all co-opted the Muslim faith... they didn't try to start a brand new thing.

On and on it goes. Scientology is one of the few that started from scratch.

And Trump followers are very obviously a cult now. They fit all the criteria. They mistrust anyone who tries to wise them up. They see themselves as "persecuted." They explain away any facts that contradict what their leader tells them.

And the more educated and well-read you are, the more likely you are to see through this scam. So, of course they want to kill off education.

Just keep watching 'em. The more desperate they get, the more they're going to attack anything that can wise people up, be it school, media, you name it. Intelligence and the ability to research things and logically interpret facts is their enemy.

2They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb on 12/3/2019, 2:42 am


Good friggin' grief, what next?? It's positively terrifying, and every time I listen to a Trump-worshipping Republican politician I'm stunned all over again at the stubborn denial of facts and truth, and at the thought of how many Americans are allowing themselves to be pulled into this stinking sewer of willful ignorance.

3They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb on 12/3/2019, 12:20 pm


It's definitely crazy.

And once they get them dumb, the next step is keeping them scared. Check this out --

This is a "news outlet" that Trump called on in a press conference, and Donald Trump Jr. gave an interview to... and, that's basically Nazi rhetoric they're spouting.

"The Jews are deceivers, they plot, they lie... this impeach-Trump movement is a Jew-coup... they're coming for you! There will be a purge, that's the next thing that happens when Jews take over a country, they kill millions of Christians!"

I mean, holy shit. I know they like dog-whistling bigotry, but that's not a dog-whistle, that's a bullhorn. Plus they're threatening "civil war by Christmas," just to give the fear some urgency.

They know they're full of shit and a bunch of bigots, but they also know their voter base are steeped in idiocy and conspiracy theory and respond to bigotry. And because they've torn down their intellectual defenses with FOX and talk radio and Brietbart, etc., they don't even have the equipment or skills to determine the facts anymore. And that their best way to keep control over them is FEAR. It's easy to frighten people who are dumb and don't understand things... you can do it with the moon, if you've got 'em superstitious enough. Just present them with something they don't understand, and block off their avenues from every understanding it by making everything that might wise them up part of a "conspiracy" against 'em.

So they threaten civil war and "scary Jews" and "socialism" and "antifa" and any other thing they can tag a "comin' to get ya!" onto to keep all the idiots skitterish, so they'll mobilize and do what they're told, when they're told.

And the more they're cornered, the worse they get. Now they're faced with a president who actually did the kind of crap they always tried to claim their opponents did... and rather than facing it, they try to explain it away. It's gonna get a lot crazier before it gets better. Hell, they may never admit they got hoodwinked, no matter how much evidence the world rubs their noses in. They're so invested in Trump now -- and in having their hated Democrats be "wrong" -- that they'll burn to ash before they'll admit there's a fire.

4They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb on 12/3/2019, 3:14 pm



5They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb Yesterday at 1:21 pm


Great job, Trump voters. America's a laughing stock now, and it's all due to you.

But his first day turned out to encompass one embarrassment after another, with multiple world leaders openly sparring with him and appearing to mock him behind his back — suggesting that nobody is bothering to take him seriously anymore.

Shortly before meeting other Western leaders in London on Tuesday, Trump claimed credit for NATO reducing the US government's contributions to the group and increasing those from other allies.

Though this plan had been in place since 2014 — when Barack Obama was president — Trump took it as a personal victory because he had long railed against what he perceived as the US's outsize contribution to the defense alliance.

That feeling of triumph most likely waned quickly, though, as the day went on. Here's a rundown of Trump's numerous embarrassments on Tuesday:

He was publicly fact-checked by French President Emmanuel Macron — with whom he has touted having a strong relationship — at their joint press conference. Macron said the Islamic State terrorist group had not yet been defeated, despite Trump's repeated insistence that it had.

Macron also challenged Trump's claim that ISIS fighters were "mostly from Europe."

At a separate press conference with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Trump openly questioned one of NATO's founding principles, Article 5, which requires members to protect one another if under attack — prompting concern and criticism among NATO officials.

Retired US Army Gen. Wesley Clark, a former NATO commander, told Business Insider's David Choi that Trump's comments were "a very rough way to play" with the alliance's principles and that "it undercuts deterrence, encourages potential adversaries, and erodes NATO itself."

Trump appeared to be roundly mocked by world leaders and royalty behind his back. Though he did not mention Trump by name, Trudeau was recorded on video poking fun at what seemed to be Trump's impromptu 40-minute press conference, prompting laughter from a group that included Macron, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, and Princess Anne.

The British Conservative Party took great pains to distance Johnson from Trump while the two leaders were in the same vicinity, for fear that Trump would jeopardize its chances of winning the coming UK general election next week. (Trump did appear to honor this by saying on Tuesday morning that he had no comment on the election.)

According to Politico's London Playbook, Johnson was "so keen not to be photographed with the US president that he did not even greet him at the door when he and wife Melania arrived" at 10 Downing Street on Tuesday night.

That's Boris Johnson, who, up until he actually met Trump, was eager to promote himself as "the British Donald Trump." And Trump has proven too stupid for Boris Johnson. Let that sink in.

George Conway, the husband of the senior White House counselor, Kellyanne Conway, tweeted in response to the video showing the world leaders on Tuesday, saying Trump was "the laughing stock of the planet."

"The world thinks you are an incompetent, ignorant, dumb, deranged buffoon — and they are right," Conway continued. "And you prove it to them every day."

After this video surfaced, Trump got his widdwe fee-fee's hurt so bad that he gathered up his toys and rushed home in tears.

“This just in: Trump just at cancelled today’s news conference and is leaving London early. It comes after he gave 2 hours of new conferences, and also after he learned he was mocked by world leaders,” the reporter wrote.

The Washington Post‘s White House Bureau Chief, Philip Rucker, said something similar, while a journalist from The Sydney Morning Herald called Trump’s early departure “a hissy fit.”

But remember, Republicans hate "snowflakes." Smile

6They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb Yesterday at 2:38 pm


zsomething wrote:Great job, Trump voters.  America's a laughing stock now, and it's all due to you.

Actually it's more due to the Electoral College - remember???

Now if the Dems could just get their act together and get behind ONE solid candidate perhaps this trial will be over. Overall Buttigeig seems to be the most stable out of the cast of thousands running for the Dem nomination.

7They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb Yesterday at 3:24 pm


gatorfan wrote:
zsomething wrote:Great job, Trump voters.  America's a laughing stock now, and it's all due to you.

Actually it's more due to the Electoral College - remember???

Now if the Dems could just get their act together and get behind ONE solid candidate perhaps this trial will be over. Overall Buttigeig seems to be the most stable out of the cast of thousands running for the Dem nomination.

Yep, Buttigeig is probably my favorite at this point.

And we need to ditch the Electoral College. I know it's supposed to "protect" states like mine, but actually it disenfranchises everybody. A lot of Democrats in Mississippi and Alabama don't even bother to vote, because they know they're going to be outnumbered by their neighbors and it's not really going to count, so... why bother? And that situation has to be the same for Republicans in states like California or New York. If every vote counts, then everybody, regardless of their state, will be represented.

Plus, the electoral college isn't really representative, anyway. A lot of those areas have almost no people in them, and they're counted unduly. Hell, even in Mississippi, the most-populated counties tend to go blue. Plus, ditching it would do a lot to kill off gerrymandering.

8They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb Yesterday at 5:15 pm


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9They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb Yesterday at 7:11 pm


Telstar wrote:They need 'em dumb Trumps11

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10They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb Yesterday at 7:12 pm



Excellent thread, z.

11They need 'em dumb Empty Re: They need 'em dumb Today at 1:41 am


zsomething wrote:Yep, Buttigeig is probably my favorite at this point.

I like Mayor Pete, too, but he has almost no draw for people of color.  Most wouldn't likely vote for Trump, but would a substantial number of them just stay home?  It's a significant worry.

Just one rather discouraging NYT report about Buttigieg's recent efforts to connect with blacks in South Carolina:

What Happened When Pete Buttigieg Toured the South to Meet Black Voters

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