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Wittle Wandy Paul wants lie detectors in the White House.....Libertarians have their leader

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2seaoat



I actually thought no other senator could be lower than Ted Cruz.....Wittle Wandy Paul the bravest man on a lawn mower and a libertarian hero......PK........oh my.....lie detectors weally? No

2seaoat



Its a hard rain gonna fall.......

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

2seaoat wrote:Its a hard rain gonna fall.......

PkrBum

PkrBum

2seaoat wrote:I actually thought no other senator could be lower than Ted Cruz.....Wittle Wandy Paul the bravest man on a lawn mower and a libertarian hero......PK........oh my.....lie detectors weally? No

Flashback: Obama prosecuted staff leakers, gave lie-detector tests, ‘paranoid’

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/flashback-obama-prosecuted-staff-leakers-gave-lie-detector-tests-paranoid

Should President Trump need a model to use to track down leakers inside his administration like the “anonymous” insider who challenged his authority in a New York Times op-ed, he need go no further back than the Obama administration that prosecuted leakers and shutout the media.

According to reports at the time from even New York Times journalists, no administration was tougher on leakers and punishing to the media than Obama’s, a saga reinforced by reporters who have called Trump’s team more forthcoming.

Criticism of Obama’s attacks on the media and leakers did not just come in tweets and TV appearances by journalists but in an official report from the Committee to Protect Journalists, authored by former Washington Post Executive Editor Leonard Downie Jr.

“This is the most closed, control freak administration I’ve ever covered,” said David E. Sanger, veteran chief Washington correspondent of The New York Times, in the report.

USA Today said of the report, it “portrays an administration gripped by strict policies about information flow and paranoid about leaks across all executive branch departments.”

It detailed prosecutions and even the use of lie-detectors on staffers. Some have encouraged Trump to use lie-detector tests on his staff, something he has so far ignored.

While Trump has ripped leakers and the anonymous Times writer of being cowards and traitors, it was Obama who took the war to a higher level by targeting staff and reporters while also cutting out the media to promote its story via social media.

“The administration’s war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration, when I was one of the editors involved in the Washington Post’s investigation of Watergate. The 30 experienced Washington journalists at a variety of news organizations whom I interviewed for this report could not remember any precedent,” wrote Downie in the report that was criticized by Obama officials.

The campaign was so aggressive it even had a name, said the report: “The Insider Threat Program.”

Said the 2013 report, “The Insider Threat Program being implemented throughout the Obama administration to stop leaks—first detailed by the McClatchy newspapers’ Washington bureau in late June—has already ‘created internal surveillance, heightened a degree of paranoia in government and made people conscious of contacts with the public, advocates, and the press,’ said a prominent transparency advocate, Steven Aftergood, director of the Government Secrecy Project at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington.”

Employees at some 16 intelligence agencies faced questions about leaking during lie-detector tests.

“And the new inspector general for the intelligence community, with jurisdiction over all its agencies, would investigate leak cases that had not produced prosecutions by the Justice Department to determine what alternative action should be taken,” added the report.

2seaoat



By golly then you are confirming the guy you call a socialist is leading your libertarian role model to being a full fledged socialist where government intrusions are encouraged......oh the sweet hypocrisy.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Any and all govt employees should be held to a different standard than the citizenry. I don't blame obama.

You on the other hand... have different standards for absolutely partisan political rationale.

Very useful of you.  Rolling Eyes

2seaoat



You on the other hand... have different standards for absolutely partisan political rationale.

Where did I take a political or partisan stand on lie detectors. I did not. I simply pointed out the hypocrisy your boy displays, and you immediately switch to Hillary or Obama........the thread rather was about the hypocrisy of so called Libertarians, and the lawn mower road warrior being your tuff as nails advocate of government intrusions.......sweet hypocrisy.......now tell me something about Michelle Obama.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

2seaoat wrote:By golly then you are confirming the guy you call a socialist is leading your libertarian role model to being a full fledged socialist where government intrusions are encouraged......oh the sweet hypocrisy.

Since when was Trump a "libertarian" ? Laughing

PkrBum

PkrBum

2seaoat wrote:You on the other hand... have different standards for absolutely partisan political rationale.

Where did I take a political or partisan stand on lie detectors.  I did not.  I simply pointed out the hypocrisy your boy displays, and you immediately switch to Hillary or Obama........the thread rather was about the hypocrisy of so called Libertarians, and the lawn mower road warrior being your tuff as nails advocate of government intrusions.......sweet hypocrisy.......now tell me something about Michelle Obama.

Obama went from the promise of "the most transparent admin in history" to authoritarian gags.

While you never said a word. But now it matters to you. Why?

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

PkrBum wrote: But now it matters to you. Why?

Well ... because it's Trump. Duh.

(oh, I'm sorry ... was that a rhetorical question? Laughing )

PkrBum

PkrBum

EmeraldGhost wrote:
PkrBum wrote: But now it matters to you. Why?

Well ... because it's Trump.  Duh.

(oh, I'm sorry ... was that a rhetorical question? Laughing )

Lol... it's similar. It's a question that he can't answer honestly without objectively searching his motives.

2seaoat



Since when was Trump a "libertarian" ? Laughing


Please check the thread title to determine that we are talking about Rand Paul......the libertarian who wants employees to take lie detector tests. Trump cannot spell Libertarian, and he probably would want to get a book from a Libertarian........

I do love the thought that you Libertarians are chasing your tails now that the lawn mower gangsta is wanting big brother to give you a lie detector test.....change the subject all you want.....the thread remains about wittle wandy Paul daddy's little silver spooner who thinks he inherited a mantle.......

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

2seaoat wrote:Since when was Trump a "libertarian" ? Laughing


Please check the thread title to determine that we are talking about Rand Paul......the libertarian who wants employees to take lie detector tests.

Well, BFD !!!    

I can assure you that if you choose to be a Federal civil service employee in certain agencies, polygraph just comes with the territory. (as does one's financials, including tax returns)  It's nothing new.   I don't see why White House staffers should be any different? (and that's not saying polygraph is a 100% black-or-white truth serum ... it's just a tool that indicates further inquiry may be necessary)

To go a step further with that, while I am generally against urine drug tests for welfare recipients (mostly based upon cost efficiency)  ...I'm all for it when it comes to our elected officials!   They should all be drug tested, randomly & frequently, IMO! (but I bet neither Congress nor any State legislature will ever pass that law !!!)

One can always choose whether or not to be a DEA, ICE, FBI, etc employee ... or a White House staffer.  Nobody's holding a gun to their heads.

Telstar

Telstar

Wittle Wandy Paul wants lie detectors in the White House.....Libertarians have their leader Rand_p10

2seaoat



Nobody's holding a gun to their heads.

You understand that this call for lie detector tests is a loyalty test not to the country, but to the employer. So it is no big deal that a Libertarian is ok with an employer using lie detectors to determine if you like the employer........Orwellian double think by you libertarian wannabe lawn mower warriors........are you serious? Arrow

PkrBum

PkrBum

2seaoat wrote:You understand that this call for lie detector tests is a loyalty test not to the country, but to the employer.  So it is no big deal that a Libertarian is ok with an employer using lie detectors to determine if you like the employer........Orwellian double think by you libertarian wannabe lawn mower warriors........are you serious? Arrow

We're talking about govt employees. But you know that. You had no prob w obama doing the same.

Why?

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

2seaoat wrote:

ok with an employer using lie detectors ........

Yes.  I am "ok" with an employer's right to do that ... if that's what the employer wants to do and believes it to be useful.   (And that's not saying I necessarily believe polygraphs are of great efficacy in all circumstances.)

Further, the instant situation we are discussing here is not a matter of whether the employee "likes" the employer as you put it (nice try  Rolling Eyes )   ... it's a matter of whether an employee has actively and secretly attempted to undermine the the employer's business (or policy, in this case).

btw ... you still haven't addressed the Obama administrations use of polygraph as a tool to assist in identifying leakers as Pkr pointed out.  Why not?  Why is it so dastardly the Trump administration is using (if they are?) polygraphs to identify leakers, but not the Obama administration?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

EmeraldGhost wrote:
2seaoat wrote:

ok with an employer using lie detectors ........

Yes.  I am "ok" with an employer's right to do that ... if that's what the employer wants to do and believes it to be useful.   (And that's not saying I necessarily believe polygraphs are of great efficacy in all circumstances.)

Further, the instant situation we are discussing here is not a matter of whether the employee "likes" the employer as you put it (nice try  Rolling Eyes )   ... it's a matter of whether an employee has actively and secretly attempted to undermine the the employer's business (or policy, in this case).

btw ... you still haven't addressed the Obama administrations use of polygraph as a tool to assist in identifying leakers as Pkr pointed out.  Why not?  Why is it so dastardly the Trump administration is using (if they are?) polygraphs to identify leakers, but not the Obama administration?

This is why:

Wittle Wandy Paul wants lie detectors in the White House.....Libertarians have their leader CZlKLeXUAAAC4M6

PkrBum

PkrBum

Trump Derangement Syndrome Rolling Eyes

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:Trump Derangement Syndrome  Rolling Eyes

Yes...you're suffering from it.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Floridatexan wrote:
btw ... you still haven't addressed the Obama administrations use of polygraph as a tool to assist in identifying leakers as Pkr pointed out.  Why not?  Why is it so dastardly the Trump administration is using (if they are?) polygraphs to identify leakers, but not the Obama administration?

This is why:

Wittle Wandy Paul wants lie detectors in the White House.....Libertarians have their leader CZlKLeXUAAAC4M6[/quote]

Don't quite see how that answers the question I posed, but ...okay, whatever.

Anyway, as to your meme, all I can say is ... "huh?"  Who'd a thunk it that Mussolini used polygraph exams to track down leaks in his administration?   Now Obama ... yeah, we know about that.  But Mussolini?    I'm a pretty avid student of history & would sure like to read more about it.  Got a link?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

EmeraldGhost wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
btw ... you still haven't addressed the Obama administrations use of polygraph as a tool to assist in identifying leakers as Pkr pointed out.  Why not?  Why is it so dastardly the Trump administration is using (if they are?) polygraphs to identify leakers, but not the Obama administration?

This is why:

Wittle Wandy Paul wants lie detectors in the White House.....Libertarians have their leader CZlKLeXUAAAC4M6

Don't quite see how that answers the question I posed, but ...okay, whatever.

Anyway, as to your meme, all I can say is  ... "huh?"  Who'd a thunk it that Mussolini used polygraph exams to track down leaks in his administration?   Now Obama ... yeah, we know about that.  But Mussolini?    I'm a pretty avid student of history & would sure like to read more about it.  Got a link?[/quote]

I wasn't responding to you. I'm reading about the '30's right now. I think Drumpf is Huey Long on steroids. This book, JUST AROUND THE CORNER, has lots of old photos from that decade. Scary stuff...
I took a polygraph once as a part of a job application. Afterwards, I decided I really didn't want the job...it was an ordeal and not something I care to repeat...plus, a working relationship requires a level of trust that I don't think that prospective employer possessed...so we would have made a bad match. I don't work for assholes, not for long anyway, nor for anyone I can't trust...and who doesn't trust me. Can you say the same? Do you see why Drumpf can't do the job?...polygraphs or no?



2seaoat



btw ... you still haven't addressed the Obama administrations use of polygraph as a tool to assist in identifying leakers as Pkr pointed out. Why not?

Because that would be like comparing apples to oranges. If a person with classified information is feeding the same to a third party, that is a risk to the United states. Criticism that a moron has the understanding of a fifth grader and is not liked by his employees is not about classified information, but the right of every employee to secretly hate their incompetent boss. I have no problem in a classified environment where a question of disbursement of classified data is met with a request for a lie detector. The fact that they work for government makes no difference. A friend of mine worked for Amoco labs where they were doing amazing things with polypropanyl SP and before he could go to Enron, he after starting the new job had to sign all kinds of agreements and take a polygraph as to any information he gave to Enron his new employer.....I get that in regard to classified and intellectual property, but if he got called in to determine he hated his boss.....that is not a libertarian position. That is firmly within government regulating and governing. So, It is not a big deal for me as I am not a libertarian, but I do not play one on my lawn mower either.......wussification of America.....soft minded mediocrity.

PkrBum

PkrBum

11 left in poker tourn and I'm chip leader. Juan time baby..!! I'll address your post later.

PkrBum

PkrBum

Whoa... just came in 3rd w a chop. I got so un lucky so many times.

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