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Corn per bushel got as high as eight bucks a bushel in 2012 as Obama led us out of economic disaster, and now Trump like a child on a computer keyboard is crashing our agricultural exports as corn is at three bucks a bushel. Farmers are doing more than rumbling. You see at eight bucks they were making a profit and tax cuts mattered. At three bucks with huge overhead and expenses means no profit or even loss. Farmers like stability. The Democrats need a candidate who caters to the export agricultural sector. Obama was a big ethanol subsidy guy which helped him connect to farmers. It was a stupid policy long term, but short term it did feed price increases in corn. The only thing good about three buck corn is that Mexican consumers are paying considerably less for their main food staples......so the American Farmer is not real happy that cheap agricultural labor and cheap prices mean that all those rapist and criminals are eating on the cheap......gracia President rump.

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Corn is really not that good for you (or as feed for animals).  If we're gonna grow it ... we should grow more of it for ethanol and less of it for foodstuffs.  Better even still if they grew good produce or hemp.

I know that's beside the point you were making in your OP, 'Oatie' and has nothing to do with the (dysfunctional) real world we all got plopped into to pass our lives in  ... I'm jes'sayin'

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Oh brother.....Corn prices jump up and down like a rabbit on Red Bull. Corn today is 3.47 and is likely to go up. You cherry picked an "Obama" price as high as 8.00 but failed to mention the price dropped several years later to where it is now.

Here is reality:

http://www.macrotrends.net/2532/corn-prices-historical-chart-data

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Just as a side note: corn's not really good for ethanol. Sugar cane is much better. That's why Brazil uses it.

Anyway, Trump's counting on stubbornness and the power of denial (as well as the always-reliable profound stupidity of his cultish base) to get him through his own fuckups. Rather than take the ego-hit of admitting his policies are terrible and that he doesn't know anything about the economy, Trump's already signalling that he's willing to let everything crash.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/02/wilbur-ross-no-downside-level-in-stocks-to-change-trump-trade-policy.html?__source=twitter%7Cinternational

And why not? He's not in office to do anything for us -- he's there to do things for his sugar-daddy Vladdy. Good ol' Vladimir Putin. He whistles and Donnie T. comes scamperin' with slippers in his mouth.

Trump's life-support system is, essentially, racism and religion (and those two things overlap far too often nowdays), plus a lot of dumbass team-sports "own the libtards" spite out of people who don't understand policy, anyway. There are still people who are willing to overlook Trump robbing 'em and making their lives worse because they're just happy he's keeping out the Mexicans and the Muslims and making-black-lives-not-matter-as-much. They'll keep supporting him because he's the Great White Hope for bigots. That's Big Dirty Secret About Trump Supporters #1. The not-so-big-dirty-secret is that the base is also full of a bunch of crazy Dominionists who think Trump is helping to fulfill Biblical prophecy, and they're willing to turn a blind eye to everything else, including his own morality. As long as he stacks the courts with people who might get Roe V. Wade overturned, or get religion taught in schools instead of science, and shove the gays back in the closet, they'll let him loot the economy.

And then you get the chuckleheads who don't really understand any of it, but they just know that liberals seem like whiney do-gooders, and that anything that's not utterly selfish is "socialism" (which they equate with full-blown Communism -- Republicans have trained them to brand everything that's not hard-right-conservative as "socialism," and that anything that even leans toward socialism is the same as full-blown Commnism... I've never seen such alarmist ignorance. In a way I'm glad Democratic voters aren't that stupid and easily-herded, but damn if it wouldn't make things a lot easier of they were. Being the party that appeals to the low-end of the learning curve is really all that's kept Republicans in business for the past several decades. Well, that and a cowardly streak... they can be counted on to accommodate you if you tell them to fear anything. Ms-13's under their bed! Anyway, all a lot of Trump's supporters really want is to "trigger" the people they hate. So, they enjoy Trump being a hate-monging asshole who sets American against American, because that's good for LULZ. They don't care if Trump rapes the economy or destroys America's alliances or makes us all look like a country of idiotic troglodytes, that's great because liberals hate that and it's all about "pwning the libs, LOL!" And if people die, hey, that's funny, they can show off to their buddies on the various chans by making memes of it to show off how crass they can be. Basically, they're the "I love him because YOU hate him" voters, and there's not a lot you can do with them. They don't care what happens to the country because they don't really live there -- their lives are on the internet, they don't fully understand the real world.

Bad thing is, a lot of that will work for Trump, because there are enough Americans who are that stupid and that nasty inside. You can't wise them up and you can't help them, because it's cult-mentality now... they'd rather stay wrong and ride the flames right down into the dirt than admit anyone else was right. I don't think there are going to be enough of those idiots to keep him in office, but there'll always be enough to keep whoever replaces him having to fight an uphill battle to do anything good. Obama saved us from a recession and they fucking hated him for it. They accused him of everything that Trump's actually doing... and now they cheer for all those things because, team sports.

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For those who think a U.S. President is all-powerful and really has a significant long-term impact on the economy or whatever you ought to read this.

https://geopoliticalfutures.com/how-important-is-the-us-president-or-any-leader/

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Cherry pick......that is funny......farm prices go up with Obama and drop with Trump. For my farmer friends who are paying on 300k combines, your cherry picking comment would amuse them. They all voted for Trump. They are all very unhappy right now. Again, Trump is probably playing the back end on futures and will have his family profit on his erratic announcements, but for my Illinois farm friends.....it is a bloodbath. Thank you donald trump.

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2seaoat wrote:Cherry pick......that is funny......farm prices go up with Obama and drop with Trump.  For my farmer friends who are paying on 300k combines, your cherry picking comment would amuse them.   They all voted for Trump.  They are all very unhappy right now.  Again, Trump is probably playing the back end on futures and will have his family profit on his erratic announcements, but for my Illinois farm friends.....it is a bloodbath.   Thank you donald trump.

Well true to form you ignored the link I provided that showed the erratic movement of prices. And you ignored that prices also fell under Obama. Life is easier for you if you ignore facts....that run contrary to your preconceived notion of "reality". What a hoot. Your "farmer friends" - another hoot...

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Again farm prices consistently rose during the Obama recovery and are shattered now by a child playing with a computer keyboard with his father's excel spreadsheet being destroyed......he is a child in his understanding of the world. Obama was intelligent and coming from a farm state worked to maximize farm prices by wrongfully supporting ethanol, but in politics you do not win without compromises. As to your link.....are you doing drugs? In regard to my farm friends.....who do you think your friends are when you live in rural northwest Illinois which is the breadbasket of the nation. I guess government teat suckers would not understand the success of the American family farm.....they get their subsidy checks too, but at least they worked in the private sector and contributed to this great nation. I know I make you sad telling the truth....but keep trying to change reality......Thank you President Obama for this economic recovery, and we are simply waiting for dummy to mess it up.

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2seaoat wrote:Again farm prices consistently rose during the Obama recovery and are shattered now by a child playing with a computer keyboard with his father's excel spreadsheet  being destroyed......he is a child in his understanding of the world.  Obama was intelligent and coming from a farm state worked to maximize farm prices by wrongfully supporting ethanol, but in politics you do not win without compromises.   As to your link.....are you doing drugs?  In regard to my farm friends.....who do you think your friends are when you live in rural northwest Illinois which is the breadbasket of the nation.  I guess government teat suckers would not understand the success of the American family farm.....they get their subsidy checks too, but at least they worked in the private sector and contributed to this great nation.  I know I make you sad telling the truth....but keep trying to change reality......Thank you President Obama for this economic recovery, and we are simply waiting for dummy to mess it up.

This is like trying to feed burned steak to a newborn infant, if you can't keep up with a thread string just say so. The link I referred to was in a earlier post in this thread. AGAIN (so you can see the natural up/down under your hero Obama and perhaps realize it doesn't matter who the Prez happens to be:

http://www.macrotrends.net/2532/corn-prices-historical-chart-data

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AGAIN (so you can see the natural up/down under your hero Obama and perhaps realize it doesn't matter who the Prez happens to be:

Brilliant. You are showing your full range of logic and understanding. One stupid started imposing tariffs to protect our steel industry because there are votes in Ohio, Michigan, and PN. One President being stupid not understanding that free markets favor the efficient and productive American farmer is killing American farmers. As I post, the Chinese are dumping soybeans into the market. Yet, one intelligent President who actually intellectually understood tariffs and agricultural policy.......if you let your child bang on your laptop, do not be surprised what spews out........there is a qualitative level of understanding of policy.......and will somebody please secure Gator's keyboard from that kid hitting the keyboard.

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By golly just look at soybean prices since Trump took office in January 2017. Just as I predicted a few days ago China is dumping soybeans on the market and will not be ordering more.........Willie Nelson better get farm aid going again because Trump has in his absolute ignorance, or with illicit profit in mind, tanked the market.

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Brazil May Buy Up to 1 Million Metric Tons of U.S. Soybeans
By Tatiana Freitas

July 5, 2018, 4:39 PM CDT

U.S.-China trade tumult turns export giant Brazil into a buyer
Importing cheap American supply to replace higher-cost exports

Brazil, the world’s biggest soybean exporter, may import as much as 1 million metric tons from its main rival in global sales in a twist of the topsy-turvy trade row between the U.S. and China.

As American soybean shipments to China ease, they’re being discounted. At the same time, rising demand for Brazilian beans has exports fetching a premium, leaving reduced supplies for domestic processors. That means some buyers in Brazil may need to rely on farmers in Iowa rather than Mato Grosso.

“This is close to making sense in financial terms,” Luis Barbieri, an adviser at Anec, a Brazilian grain-export group, said Thursday at a press conference in Sao Paulo. Processors close to southern ports in Rio Grande and Paranagua are evaluating imports that may reach 500,000 tons to 1 million tons this year, he said.

U.S. Soy Prices Are Crumbling as Trade War Sparks Brazil Rally

Trump Trade Spat May See Top Soy Exporter Brazil Turn to Imports

Amid the rally in Brazilian soybeans, profit for exporters may trail estimates by 10 percent to 30 percent, partly because of higher road-freight expenses, Barbieri said. A 10-day strike by the nation’s truckers in May over high fuel costs delayed shipments and paralyzed the oilseed industry.

Transportation to ports currently is running normally, Barbieri said. Forward sales for the 2018-19 season have halted.

Anec represents companies Cargill Inc., Archer-Daniels-Midland Co. and Louis Dreyfus.

 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-05/wait-what-brazil-may-buy-up-to-1-million-tons-of-u-s-soybeans?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google

So .. Brazil is now more competitive in the Chinese soybean market due to tariffs on US soybeans ... then buys US soybeans for cheap to meet their own market demand since they are exporting more than they can produce for export and their own needs?

Do I have that right?  Is this what they call "winning?"

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2seaoat wrote:By golly just look at soybean prices since Trump took office in January 2017.  Just as I predicted a few days ago China is dumping soybeans on the market and will not be ordering more.........Willie Nelson better get farm aid going again because Trump has in his absolute ignorance, or with illicit profit in mind,  tanked the market.


Trump's trade war with China

"The math is simple. You tax soybean exports at 25 percent, and you have serious damage to U.S. farmers," said one Iowa grower.

Soy farmers are caught in the cross hairs of an escalating trade war that only got hotter Friday after China responded tit-for-tat to a new round of U.S. tariffs.

President Donald Trump slapped the Chinese with $34.6 billion in additional tariffs on top of those previously announced, with China hitting back with $34.6 billion of their own.

Soy represents nearly half of the value of the products on China's tariff list and some U.S. farmers have a different view of how those talks are going.

"The math is simple. You tax soybean exports at 25 percent, and you have serious damage to U.S. farmers,” said John Heisdorffer, a soybean grower from Keota, Iowa, and president of the American Soybean Association (ASA), in a statement.

The growers' association said it had asked the administration to consider other ways of reducing the trade deficit and arranged for farmers and members to meet with congressional lawmakers to get the administration to rethink the tariffs. This week, the ASA, "in a last-ditch social media effort," resorted to posting pictures of individual soybean farmers and families on Twitter to appeal to the president and his advisers.
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If the trade war stretches into the October harvest time, younger farmers who may have taken out a lot of debt can quickly find their razor-thin margins evaporated, she said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/soy-farmers-say-they-re-getting-hurt-trump-s-trade-n889346

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The lock step farm vote is gone. Farmers are running multi million dollar business and they understand trade. They also like getting their subsidies which require political pressure, but now with farm prices challenging smaller family farms, Trump is suddenly an "idiot". The same farmers who were telling me we need a business man in the White House.......a flim flam man is now confirmed, and they are getting what they wanted......I mean they are piszed.....my wife's high school friend's daughter is farming five thousand acres of Illinois prime grade a soil, and they lease all their equipment.....they are being crushed. Fortunately, the old adage knee high by the fourth of July, the corn is six feet high and there will be a record harvest locally.....which will further depress prices as supply increases. All people have to do is focus on policy. Never in the history of this country has there been more incompetence or corruption.

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At this point something has to be attempted to stop China from ripping us off at every turn. I'm sure you were fine with that running a business... but normal people aren't. It's more than trade too... it's currency manipulation... it's creating military islands in long standing shipping lanes... it's intellectual property theft... etc. Gawd you leftists are short sighted and soft. Just shut up and let it play out for a minute. It can't turn out any worse than an obama "deal".

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626683457/judge-orders-chinese-wind-turbine-maker-to-pay-59-million-for-stealing-trade-sec

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2seaoat wrote:Never in the history of this country has there been more incompetence or corruption.

I don't know about this, he has some serious competition in the Corruption and Incompetence Sweepstakes: Harding, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson for instance. The Grant administration was no prize, either.

At least he hasn't invaded anybody...         yet.

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Trump's betting that due to the size of our economy we can withstand much more economic pain in a trade war than these other countries he's threatening , and the top trade/economic people in other countries recognize this also and advise their leaders to give in to Trump's demands to some degree or other before letting this thing goes to far.   They don't want their economies trashed either.

Our economy is rather good at the moment ... so, if we're gonna play some kind of game of chicken with trade and see who blinks first, this is actually a better time to do it than at some time when our economy is not so robust.

Not at all saying I agree with what he's doing, I'd never claim to be any kind of expert on trade  ... just explaining what I think is probably the rationale of Trump & the trade advisers he's listening to right now.   From some things I've been reading the past few days there's a possibility such a plan could work, according to some supposed experts.

The USA actually has some pretty deep pockets and many other countries and multinational corporations are heavily invested in us.  If we spiral down, the world spirals down with us.  This what a lot of Trumpers voted for ... threatening to burn-down-the-house, so to speak.  So really, he's giving them what he told them he would.  Just like on immigration, conservative judges, and a number of other things.  It's kind of a torpedoes-be-damned mentality. Make of that what you will.

If it works to some degree or other and some things on trade are corrected in our favor before too much pain is inflicted on everyday Americans  ... it will be a major coup for Trump when it comes to making the case for his reelection in 2020.  If it fails and much economic pain is inflicted on everyday Americans, the Demos will have a heyday with it.   It's a risky move politically, IMO ... but some would instead call it "bold".

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EmeraldGhost wrote:...and the top trade/economic people in other countries ...advise their leaders to give in to Trump's demands to some degree or other before letting this thing goes to far.  

Who is advising this? Cite some sources for this nonsense.

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https://www.afr.com/news/politics/world/trade-war-hits-china-at-a-vulnerable-moment-20180628-h11z2t

Markets are braced for extended volatility as the tit-for-tat trade war rhetoric between Washington and Beijing threatens to inflame more fundamental concerns about China's economy.

The negative sentiment gripping China's stockmarket this week has extended beyond trade tensions, with economists blaming deeper concerns about debt and central government efforts to contain unregulated lending on the country's worst stockmarket rout in three years.

In the US, meanwhile, Donald Trump's decision to drop plans to impose new restrictions on Chinese investment failed to excite investors, despite initial optimism that the apparent backdown would ease trade tensions.

There has been a shift in sentiment in both Wall Street and in China since June 14, when Mr Trump threatened additional tariffs against Beijing, escalating the trade war friction. In China, that coincided with the release of weaker-than-expected economic data which left many questioning Beijing's insistence the economy was on a stable footing for the first time since President Xi Jinping consolidated his power in March.

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Deus X wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:...and the top trade/economic people in other countries ...advise their leaders to give in to Trump's demands to some degree or other before letting this thing goes to far.  

Who is advising this? Cite some sources for this nonsense.

Well, Geez 'Deuce'  Rolling Eyes ...   read te first sentence of that paragraph.  It's what I'm supposing Trump is "betting on"  I don't know the names of the trade/economic advisers of the current leaders of every country in the world. But you know they have them.   And you know they are looking at Trump's every move, prospective move, and what the potential impacts on their own countries will be of a trade war with the USA, and advising their leadership.  That's what trade/economic advisers do!  

The whole thing is just a little speculation on my part of what Trump and his team are thinking with these tariffs.  That these other countries will look at the impact, look at the possibilities of how far Trump may or may not go, and advise their leaders accordingly.

It's a big game of chicken.  Who will blink first.

My personal opinion on how it will play out ... if Trump goes far enough with it, it will damage both our and other countries economies and trade relations,    And some of these other countries will make just enough concessions that Trump can publicly proclaim a "win", while at the same time finding some way to save face themselves at home, while not giving up anymore than they have to to mollify the USA on it.  And, IMO, whatever small economic/trade benefits the USA receives from Trump's "win" may well be overshadowed by the pain inflicted on our economy in the process

Will the Trump team be right with this strategy"?  will they be wrong? ... remains to be seen.   This is hardball Trump's playing (or trying? to play) ... a fairly foreign concept to most liberals.  A hard concept to grasp who those who have only ever played softball and are into "participation trophies" and things like that.

The fundamental basis of the president’s go-it-alone approach is ideological: America first. There is ostensibly an economic case for it as well; Mr. Navarro says Beijing has more to lose from a tariff battle because its exports to the United States far outstrip our exports to them. The same argument could be made about any country that currently enjoys a trade surplus with the United States. What’s more, the U.S. economy is currently at full employment with rising wages, and exports account for only about an eighth of U.S. economic output, as opposed to roughly a third for the average high-income economy.
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-playing-a-risky-game-of-chicken/2018/06/24/7ac18502-7645-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0929a60b80ea

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EmeraldGhost wrote:Well, Geez 'Deuce'   ...   read t[h]e first sentence of that paragraph.

In your original post, the bit I quoted is preceded by a comma and a conjunction and is, therefore, PART of the first sentence. DUH!

EmeralGhost wrote:But you know they have them.

No, I don't know, nor can I imagine, that any modern, developed country has economic advisors suggesting any such thing.

What Trump is playing at is Mercantilism, a thoroughly discredited economic theory that was given the kibosh IN THE 18TH CENTURY by guys like Adam Smith--but since Trump is conspicuously ahistorical, he doesn't understand that. No serious economist in the modern era would advise a leader to follow this policy. The only possible exception I can find is Peter Navarro, Trump's current China policy "expert".

Here's what Foreign Policy has to say about him:

Trump’s Top China Expert Isn’t a China Expert

Peter Navarro doesn't speak Chinese, and has scant in-country experience. Should that matter?

Peter Navarro has run for office five times, and lost five times. Over the course of his career, he has morphed from registered Republican, to Independent, to Democrat, and back to Republican — whatever it took to give him an edge, according to those in San Diego’s political circles, where Navarro forged a dubious reputation. The economics professor with a Harvard Ph.D. had much bigger ambitions than the quiet, tenured life he led for years. Like his current boss, President Donald Trump, he loved media attention and sought political fame.

He’s finally gotten it. Navarro closely shaped Trump’s strident rhetoric on China during the presidential campaign; now he holds a potentially critical role as head of the Trump-created National Trade Council at the White House. But the totality of Navarro’s curriculum vitae reflects someone with greater expertise in public utilities than the complex workings of the Asia-Pacific. He does not appear to speak much Chinese, and has not, by all accounts, spent any significant time in the country, nor is he a frequent visitor. Well-regarded China analysts are almost universal in their derision of his views. What happens when the White House’s top China expert is not — at least according to the yardsticks commonly used in foreign policy circles — really a China expert?


https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/13/peter-navarro-profile-national-trade-council-donald-trump-china-expert/



Trump's Commerce Secretary, Wilbur Ross, would also qualify as an unreconstructed trade hawk if he wasn't such a doofus. He's another rapacious billionaire and a real prize. He got kicked off the Forbes 400 list for lying about his net worth--which may be why Trump appointed him. He has lost favor with Trump and his only admirable quality is that he falls asleep during Cabinet meetings.

The decline and fall of Wilbur Ross

One problem: Ross’s efforts to wheel and deal with the Chinese have left the president unimpressed. Another problem: He keeps falling asleep in meetings.

Early in Trump’s presidency, Ross was his go-to negotiator, helming the administration’s trade talks with the Chinese. After a few months, though, Trump concluded he was doing a terrible job.

In a series of Oval Office meetings about six months into his presidency, Trump eviscerated Ross, telling him he’d screwed up, and badly.

Trump told Ross he didn’t trust him to negotiate anymore. Ross had tried in the early months of the administration, before Robert Lighthizer was confirmed as the U.S. Trade Representative, to take the lead on several crucial trade conversations. Once Lighthizer arrived there was a tussle for control over several issues. But after Ross botched — in Trump's eyes — his dealings with China, he decided Lighthizer would be the lead negotiator on all trade issues.

https://www.axios.com/the-decline-and-fall-of-wilbur-ross-1516568275-c795e9b4-f84f-4080-a129-da23cb91ed2a.html


Following this administration is like watching a clown-car race between Team Incompetence and Misanthropy Racing--fun to watch but the astute observer is always afraid they're gonna fly off into the stands or set the circus tent on fire.

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Deus X wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:Well, Geez 'Deuce'   ...   read t[h]e first sentence of that paragraph.

In your original post, the bit I quoted is preceded by a comma and a conjunction and is, therefore, PART of the first sentence. DUH!




Hands up!!!   Don't shoot, me bro!    Laughing

(Geez, what a tool you are sometimes, 'Deuce' Rolling Eyes)

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What a cop-out! You post gibberish then snivel like a spoiled child when you get called on it. Apparently you have no response to the rest of my post.

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Explain this:

Chinese company producing Trump 2020 flags despite looming trade war

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/politics/china-trade-trump-2020-flags/index.html

And this:

Ivanka Trump Wins China Trademarks, Then Her Father Vows to Save ZTE

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks.html

And this, from 2016:

How many Trump products were made overseas? Here’s the complete list.

[...]

The Facts
Trump apparel

The Donald J. Trump Collection includes ties, suits, dress shirts, eyeglasses and other accessories.

Trump shirts were made in China, Bangladesh, Honduras and Vietnam. PolitiFact Virginia found some Trump sport coats made in India. The Clinton campaign pointed to import data from 2007 that showed a Trump men’s shirt shipment marked as made in South Korea.

Some of the Trump suits on Amazon.com show they were imported, Made in USA or both. BuzzFeed ordered a suit that was listed as both “imported” and “Made in USA” — and ended up with a label showing the suits were made in Indonesia.

Users commented on Amazon.com that the suit that BuzzFeed purchased previously was listed as being imported from Mexico or China. This photo shows a Trump suit that carries a “Made in Mexico” label.

Manufacturing information online is not always reliable — for example, a photo of one shirt shows a “Made in Bangladesh” label, but the item description says it was made in China. This may be a reflection of the different countries that products sometimes pass through before they are ultimately shipped into the United States.

Trump eyeglasses are made in China. Cufflinks and other accessories do not list the source of manufacturing on Amazon.com.

“Success by Trump,” a cologne in the Trump Fragrance line, was manufactured in the United States, according to PolitiFact Virginia. The Trump campaign’s “Make America Great Again” hats are made at a Southern California factory and are labeled “Proudly Made in USA.”

Trump home items

Trump Home has a range of items, including chandeliers, mirrors, bedding, table lamps, cabinets, sofas, barstools, cocktail tables and more.

Trump expanded the Trump Home brand internationally, including in Turkey. A Trump Organization news release shows it partnered with a global luxury furniture brand, Dorya International, to expand the Trump Home brand to a production facility in Turkey. According to Furniture Today, components of the Trump by Dorya furniture were made in Germany, particularly the brass and stainless pieces.

Several Trump Home items are listed as made in China or imported from China — mirrors, ceramic vases, wall decorations, kitchen items and lighting fixtures. The Clinton campaign has pointed to a trademark registration for the Trump Home brand that shows picture frames and other home products were made in India.

The Trump Home by Rogaska tabletop collection featured a crystal and china collection with a company based in Slovenia. Trump bedding comforters are listed as made in USA.

Trump hotel items

Many hotel amenities at Trump’s hotels were manufactured overseas and imported. Trump Hotel pens were made in China or Taiwan, and imported into the United States via South Korea. Shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, shower caps, laundry bags, show bags, pet collars, pet leashes and bath towels at Trump hotels are all listed as made in China.

Trump beverages

The Trump Natural Spring Water is served at Trump hotels, restaurants and golf clubs. Trump water comes from New York or Vermont, and is bottled in New York.

Trump Vodka was manufactured at a distillery in the Netherlands, supposedly distilled five times from “European wheat,” but the distribution company stopped carrying it in 2010. An Israeli company continued to carry Trump Vodka, although the version sold in Israel is different from the original Trump Vodka. The Trump Vodka produced and sold in Israel is made from ingredients that make it kosher for Passover, which made it a popular beverage around the holidays. But the Jerusalem Post reported that it turned out that not all ingredients actually were kosher for Passover.

Note: There’s a Trump Winery located in Charlottesville, Va., but it is reported to be owned by his son, Eric. The Trump Winery website says its name is a registered trademark of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing, LLC. The winery imports glassware.

The Bottom Line
The Clinton ad claims that “Trump’s products have been made in 12 other countries.” This is correct. We know of at least 12 countries where Trump products were manufactured (China, the Netherlands, Mexico, India, Turkey, Slovenia, Honduras, Germany, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Vietnam and South Korea). Further, Trump products transited other countries through the packaging and shipping process — meaning workers in more than 12 countries contributed to getting many of Trump’s products made, packaged and delivered to the United States.

As our inventory shows, manufacturing is a global process. Components of a product of an American company are made in different parts of the world, depending on who offers the most competitive prices, and ultimately imported into the country to be sold to American consumers. It’s not as simple as deciding not to eat an Oreo because Nabisco found a cheaper place to employ some of its workers.

Trump’s practice as a businessman is not consistent with his current rhetoric against trade as a presidential nominee — this vulnerability is backed with more than enough factual evidence. If Trump brand customers took the same stance against his products as he did against Nabisco, it is clear they would be left with few Trump items to buy. However, we do know of at least four Trump products made in the United States: “Make America Great Again” hats, bedding, water and cologne.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/?utm_term=.b27f73f5fe5a

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