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White House to Congress: Russia sanctions not needed now


The Trump administration informed lawmakers Monday that new Russia sanctions called for in a bipartisan bill passed last year are not necessary yet because the measure is already "serving as a deterrent."

The announcement came as lawmakers in both parties nudged the administration to implement sanctions legislation that passed overwhelmingly in July — with only five no votes in both the House and Senate. The sanctions bill requires the imposition of penalties by Monday against entities doing "significant" business with Moscow's defense and intelligence sectors, unless Congress is notified that prospective targets are "substantially reducing" that business.



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/29/russia-sanctions-white-house-congress-376813

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Collusion with the Russians......hell how stupid does somebody have to be not to see what is happening. Impeach my asz. How about a firing squad for a traitor. I would like him to explain to some of the parents of soldiers killed in Afaghanastan with Russians helping the taliban, or explain away the Russian's assistance in North Korea's nuclear program. However, Mr. Tough guy wilts when Putin tells him what to do..........traitor.

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2seaoat wrote:Collusion with the Russians......hell how stupid does somebody have to be not to see what is happening.   Impeach my asz.   How about a firing squad for a traitor.   I would like him to explain to some of the parents of soldiers killed in Afaghanastan with Russians helping the taliban, or explain away the Russian's assistance in North Korea's nuclear program.    However, Mr. Tough guy wilts when Putin tells him what to do..........traitor.



If 45 deserves a firing squad so does most of the republican party. Let them all spend eternity with Benedict Arnold. Twisted Evil

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#fakenews

https://www.snopes.com/trump-sanctions-russias-intelligence-agency-present-putin/

Mostly false:

While President Trump’s friendly overtures toward Putin and reports that Russian hacking had influenced the presidential election had raised fears about foreign intervention in the latter part of 2016, the recent activity by the U.S Treasury Department was only a tweak to allow American companies to continue commerce in Russia unharmed, not a sign of nefarious activity.

Doug Jacobson, an attorney with Jacobson Burton Kelley PLLC, a Washington, DC-based law firm that advises companies on international trade law, explained that it is meant to allow American companies “to obtain licenses and approvals from FSB to import certain software and IT equipment containing encryption into Russia” — but it does not mean they are now allowed to sell directly to the FSB nor does it represent a lifting or easing of sanctions.

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Nice try on your typical smoke and mirrors. You are giving a story from a year ago which has absolutely no relevance to the almost unanimous congressional vote to not allow Trump to ignore sanctions, and he just did the same in 2018......not a year ago. If you are going to play a shell game where the hand is faster than the eye.......you might be better served not being a turtle.

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2seaoat wrote:Nice try on your typical smoke and mirrors.  You are giving a story from a year ago which has absolutely no relevance to the almost unanimous congressional vote to not allow Trump to ignore sanctions, and he just did the same in 2018......not a year ago.  If you are going to play a shell game where the hand is faster than the eye.......you might be better served not being a turtle.



Not a turtle but a narcotics abusing worm.

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Telstar wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Collusion with the Russians......hell how stupid does somebody have to be not to see what is happening.   Impeach my asz.   How about a firing squad for a traitor.   I would like him to explain to some of the parents of soldiers killed in Afaghanastan with Russians helping the taliban, or explain away the Russian's assistance in North Korea's nuclear program.    However, Mr. Tough guy wilts when Putin tells him what to do..........traitor.



If 45 deserves a firing squad so does most of the republican party. Let them all spend eternity with Benedict Arnold. Twisted Evil

Comparisons are being made between Nixon's Watergate scandal and the Trump/Russia relationship. Back in Nixon's day at least the Republicans took the side of the country over the side of protecting THEIR president. They had their priorities in order then but these days Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are aiding and abetting the Russians.

Used to be the Republicans thought there was a Commie under every Bed but today they are rolling out the red carpet. Whatever Putin wants Putin gets. Never mind the continued meddling and more to come with no effort to safeguard our next elections. The Russians don't need an embassy in DC, they seem to have the White House.

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Except that what we know so far is that the dnc and Hillary paid Fusion GPS and Steele to produce a dossier via colluding with Russians... in order to influence the election. Then it was likely used in an illicit manner to gain a fisa warrant. Of course then the spying and unmasking and leaking took place. I'm so glad that we the people really want to get to the bottom of this. It's going to purge corrupt practices for a generation or two I hope.

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Telstar wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Collusion with the Russians......hell how stupid does somebody have to be not to see what is happening.   Impeach my asz.   How about a firing squad for a traitor.   I would like him to explain to some of the parents of soldiers killed in Afaghanastan with Russians helping the taliban, or explain away the Russian's assistance in North Korea's nuclear program.    However, Mr. Tough guy wilts when Putin tells him what to do..........traitor.



If 45 deserves a firing squad so does most of the republican party. Let them all spend eternity with Benedict Arnold. Twisted Evil

Comparisons are being made between Nixon's Watergate scandal and the Trump/Russia relationship. Back in Nixon's day at least the Republicans took the side of the country over the side of protecting THEIR president. They had their priorities in order then but these days Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are aiding and abetting the Russians.

Used to be the Republicans thought there was a Commie under every Bed but today they are rolling out the red carpet. Whatever Putin wants Putin gets. Never mind the continued meddling and more to come with no effort to safeguard our next elections. The Russians don't need an embassy in DC, they seem to have the White House.




Republican/conservatives have been singing with praise about Putin for years. You can see it in the back pages of this forum. May they rot.

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In Russia-related news, it's looking increasingly like "the memo" is some bullshit.

First, it's written by run-tell-daddy Trump partisan Nunes, based on documents he hadn't even seen, so I don't know how anybody who isn't as desperate as Sean Hannity would put much faith in its veracity.

And now... this: https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-nunes-wont-say-if-he-worked-with-white-house-on-anti-fbi-memo

The Republican chairman of the House intelligence committee refused to answer when a colleague asked him if he had coordinated his incendiary surveillance memo with the White House, The Daily Beast has learned.

During Monday’s contentious closed-door committee meeting, Rep. Mike Quigley, a Democrat, asked Nunes point-blank if his staffers had been talking with the White House as they compiled a four-page memo alleging FBI and Justice Department abuses over surveillance of President Trump’s allies in the Russia probe.


According to sources familiar with the exchange, Nunes made a few comments that didn’t answer the question before finally responding, “I’m not answering.”

Spokespeople for Nunes and for the White House did not immediately respond.

If you didn't do it, you just say "no." Not-guilty means not-evasive.

Nunes probably crafted this memo with the aid of the White House. After all, he doesn't do anything without them being in the loop, which is why he had to recuse himself. Nunes is likely coordinating with Trump to try to discredit the FBI and mislead the public, either to stop Mueller's investigation, or to get Trump's base to not accept its results. They know something bad's going to be found out, and they want partisans (like our own resident shithead-who-shall-not-be-named) to dismiss what turns up as some biased witch-hunt or whatever.

And, Russian bots (and, of course, crooked piece of shit Sean Hannity) are helping them push this story, which will add another layer of collusion onto obstruction and conspiracy to circumvent the rule of law.

The FBI has come out swinging. https://shareblue.com/in-rare-public-rebuke-fbi-humiliates-gop-for-mueller-smear-campaign/#.WnIRSLdU9Kk.twitter

After meeting with Speaker of the House Paul Ryan and White House chief of staff John Kelly and beseeching them not to publicly release a dubious, GOP-concocted hit report on the FBI, the bureau went public with its “grave concerns” on Wednesday.

Clearing hitting the Republican’s ongoing smear campaign, led by Intelligence Committee chair Devin Nunes, that’s playing out against the backdrop of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia and obstruction of justice investigation, the FBI statement stressed, “As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.”


It’s extremely rare for the FBI to issue public statements regarding pending intelligence matters, let alone to pick a fight with the White House.

Then again, it’s extremely rare for a major political party in this country to wage a months-long campaign to destroy the FBI in hopes of protecting their president who remains the center of a special counsel investigation.

On Wednesday, moderate Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin from West Virginia lashed out on the pending GOP mini-report, which emerged from the House Intelligence Committee, calling it a “scam” and “asinine.”

The rare FBI statement was certainly approved by Christopher Wray, the bureau’s director, who was appointed by Trump last summer.


The extraordinary development, and the fact that the FBI feels it needs to now go public regarding its battle with House Republicans and the White House, comes one week after Trump’s own Department of Justice sent out a warning signal about the GOP’s smear campaign.

It “would be extraordinarily reckless for the Committee to disclose such information publicly without giving the Department and the FBI the opportunity to review the memorandum,” the DOJ stressed.

Democrats, members of the intelligence community, and officials at the DOJ and FBI have stressed that the smear memo, which is basically just partisan oppo research, does not provide an accurate description of how the FBI has functioned with regards to the Russia investigation.

And that’s precisely why GOP House members have refused to corroborate their report. Specifically, they refuse to share with anyone what the sources are for the cherry-picked memo. House Republicans won’t even share that information with Republicans in the Senate.

But the White House needs to create a massive diversion from the Russia and obstruction of justice probes, so they’re poised to join forces with House Republicans and publicly release the shoddy, reckless report.

And they’ll do it over the FBI’s “grave concerns.”


The Trumpkins have talked it up so much now that they'll pretty much have to release the thing, but if they're caught slipping as to its veracity, they're probably going to pay a big price for it. If it's some bullshit they cooked up, it's likely to hit the fan and spray right back at them. The FBI has far more credibility than can't-be-trusted-to-accurately-tell-you-what-he-had-for-lunch Trump. If it's Trump's word against anybody else's, Trump's going to lose.

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Trump is dealing and will continue to deal with the Russians exactly the way those who voted for him expect him to .... they just don't know how that is because he hasn't explained it to them yet. But they have faith he's actually paying 5-dimensional chess and not just winging it day-to-day.  Rolling Eyes

Or maybe not?



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Wow, "memogate" is unraveling faster than I can even discuss it...

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/strzok-fbi-comey-clinton-letter/index.html

Exclusive: Controversial FBI agent co-wrote initial draft of explosive Comey letter reopening Clinton email probe

Washington (CNN)Emails obtained by CNN show the FBI agent at the center of a Capitol Hill storm played a key role in a controversial FBI decision that upended Hillary Clinton's campaign just days before the 2016 election: the letter to Congress by then-FBI Director James Comey announcing the bureau was investigating newly discovered Clinton emails.

The new revelation about FBI agent Peter Strzok comes as Republicans accuse him of being sympathetic to Clinton while seeking to undermine Donald Trump during the heat of the 2016 campaign season.

Strzok, who co-wrote what appears to be the first draft that formed the basis of the letter Comey sent to Congress, also supported reopening the Clinton investigation once the emails were discovered on disgraced former Rep. Anthony Weiner's laptop, according to a source familiar with Strzok's thinking. The day after Strzok sent his draft to his colleagues, Comey released the letter to Congress, reigniting the email controversy in the final days of the campaign.


Strzok did, however, harbor reservations about Comey making a public announcement just days before the election and sent a text message to that effect, two sources said. And Strzok's text messages provided to Congress show him grappling with the fallout of making the letter public, according to a CNN review of his texts.

This new information reveals a more complicated portrait of Strzok than many of his critics have painted in public. Republicans have seized on text messages between Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page, who were often critical of Trump, to characterize the two -- who were having an extramarital affair -- as part of an effort to go easy on Clinton and get tough with Trump.
And conservative critics have seized on their texts to make the case that special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the Trump campaign is tainted with bias since the two officials were briefly on Mueller's team -- with Trump himself accusing Strzok of "treason" in a Wall Street Journal interview.

So, the guy who was supposedly out to get Trump also engineered a hit job on Clinton? Good luck to Republicans who intend on building that narrative.

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PkrBum wrote:Except that what we know so far is that the dnc and Hillary paid Fusion GPS and Steele to produce a dossier ....

Opposition research isn't illegal.

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EmeraldGhost wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Except that what we know so far is that the dnc and Hillary paid Fusion GPS and Steele to produce a dossier ....  

Opposition research isn't illegal.

Neither is collusion necessarily. What crime was Mueller commissioned to investigate?

Something in the dnc/Hillary Russian "dossier"?

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Two top Russian spy chiefs traveled to Washington last week to discuss counterterrorism issues with CIA Director Mike Pompeo, but the unusual visit also raised concerns among some U.S. officials that Moscow could interpret the encounter as a sign the Trump administration is willing to move beyond the issue of election interference, current and former U.S. intelligence officials said.

Pompeo met with Sergey Naryshkin, the head of Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service or SVR, and Alexander Bortnikov, who runs the FSB, which is the main successor to the Soviet-era security service the KGB. The head of Russia's military intelligence, the GRU, also came to Washington, though it's not clear that he met with Pompeo.

A senior U.S. intelligence official based in Moscow was also called back to Washington for the meeting with the CIA chief, said a person familiar with the events, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive meeting.

The meeting, which addressed the countries' mutual interest in preventing terrorist attacks, took place amid high tensions between Russia and the United States over a Kremlin-directed campaign to interfere with the 2016 elections. The U.S. intelligence community concluded in a 2016 report that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the interference operation, and three congressional committees and a special counsel are investigating any possible coordination between Trump associates and Russian agents during the campaign.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-russian-spy-chiefs-cia-20180131-story.html

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Russia money ties to NRA makes Trump and GOP look very suspicious

The Republican Party and NRA are somehow linked to a Russian banker who has close ties to Vladimir Putin.

By David A. Love - January 29, 2018

"Did Russia infiltrate the NRA? Did the NRA launder Russian money for Trump? If the answer to these questions is yes, then the problem of guns in America—and why we can’t seem to discuss it, address it or solve it–starts to make more sense.

The FBI is investigating whether a Russian banker, mafia boss and politician with close ties to Vladimir Putin illegally funneled millions to the NRA to help Trump win the presidency. Alexander Torshin, a former Russian senator with connections to the Kremlin, is the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank—and a lifetime NRA member, as reported by McClatchy.

Torshin, a gun enthusiast, has attended several NRA conventions, including the May 2016 convention in Kentucky, where he spoke with Donald Trump Jr. and the gun rights organization endorsed Trump for president.

Torshin is reportedly the godfather of the Russian criminal syndicate Taganskaya. Authorities in Spain were prepared to arrest him in 2013 on the resort island of Mallorca for money laundering, until he cancelled his travel plans. Torshin has been a subject of a number of Congressional investigations, including the House intelligence committee..."

https://thegrio.com/2018/01/29/nra-russia-ties/

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By the numbers: The Trump orbit's contacts with Russians

By Marshall Cohen, CNN

Updated 2:08 PM ET, Wed November 22, 2017

"Overall statistics:

At least 12 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition

There were at least 19 face-to-face interactions with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures

There were at least 51 communications -- meetings, phone calls, email exchanges and more

This flies in the face of at least nine blanket denials from Trump world of any contacts with Russia..."

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/politics/trump-russia-by-the-numbers/index.html

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PkrBum wrote:Except that what we know so far is that the dnc and Hillary paid Fusion GPS and Steele to produce a dossier via colluding with Russians... in order to influence the election. Then it was likely used in an illicit manner to gain a fisa warrant. Of course then the spying and unmasking and leaking took place. I'm so glad that we the people really want to get to the bottom of this. It's going to purge corrupt practices for a generation or two I hope.

The opposition research that eventually produced the dossier re Trump was initiated by a wealthy Republican during the primary process before Trump won the nomination. I think the time line is very important since it is a favorite talking point of Trump supporters to try and pin the research solely on the Democrats and Hillary when in fact they just took over the project when the conservatives gave up on it when they realized it was a lost cause.

Also, it is of no importance WHO funded the research insofar as Steele was not directed to falsify anything, only to research.


WASHINGTON — The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website funded by a major Republican donor, first hired the research firm that months later produced for Democrats the salacious dossier describing ties between Donald J. Trump and the Russian government, the website said on Friday.

The Free Beacon, funded in large part by the New York hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer, hired the firm, Fusion GPS, in 2015 to unearth damaging information about several Republican presidential candidates, including Mr. Trump. But The Free Beacon told the firm to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee had begun paying Fusion GPS in April for research that eventually became the basis for the dossier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.html

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There was no Steele or his Russian contacts prior to the dnc and Hillary funneling money to fusion gps.

Equivocate all you like. They were separate and distinct transactions... with vastly different results.

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PkrBum wrote:There was no Steele or his Russian contacts prior to the dnc and Hillary funneling money to fusion gps.

Equivocate all you like. They were separate and distinct transactions... with vastly different results.

Do you have any references or documentation of any kind to back up this statement?

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Here is a valuable site that just lays out the Russia investigation in a very tidy fashion. And to think Trump has claimed he has nothing to do with Russia. It is mind boggling (almost but not quite) to see all these things in one place, enjoy.

https://themoscowproject.org/timeline/

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othershoe1030 wrote:
PkrBum wrote:There was no Steele or his Russian contacts prior to the dnc and Hillary funneling money to fusion gps.

Equivocate all you like. They were separate and distinct transactions... with vastly different results.

Do you have any references or documentation of any kind to back up this statement?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/conservative-website-first-paid-fusion-gps-for-trump-research/2017/10/27/ee05c1d6-bb6f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

In a statement, the Washington Free Beacon said it retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple Republican candidates in the 2016 presidential election. Two people familiar with billionaire GOP donor Paul Singer said he provides financial support to the publication. A spokesman for Singer’s firm, Elliott Management, did not respond to requests seeking comment.

The Free Beacon said its research ended before Fusion GPS hired a former British intelligence officer, Christopher Steele, to produce a series of reports alleging links between Russia and those close to Trump. That occurred after the firm was retained by a lawyer for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

“None of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier,’’ said the statement from Free Beacon editor in chief Matthew Continetti and chairman Michael Goldfarb. “We stand by our reporting and we do not apologize for our methods.’’

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PLEASE!

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This is getting as stupid as the Benghazi investigation and the propaganda machine which had certain forum members chasing their tails trying to make the President and SOS guilty of some kind of crime. You had to be low IQ, or completely unfamiliar with government functions to buy into that propaganda spew.

This propaganda spew is for really stupid people. The Dossier had NOTHING to do with the warrant being issued for Carter, and only stupid people are trying to connect the same to the dossier, because stupid people are so easily fooled. Anybody with a college education should be able to distinguish the lack of connected dots. Just more throwing chit on the wall and creating narration which tries to explain the world from that chit on the wall.

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Trump just continues to tell lies, but Tex is right. New York State can bring criminal charges and if Mueller is working with them, well Donald Junior will get his pardon, and you can bet a NY jury will put his golden spooned asz in jail without a bit of hesitation if the crimes did occur. We will wait, but Trump is using his usual lies through his puppet on the house committee, which on the face of it shows how incredibly short sighted and ill advised the President has been. This is not a political matter. This is a criminal investigation. I hope to live long enough to hear from the grand juries. cheers

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