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76 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/18/2017, 9:14 am
Deus X
77 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/19/2017, 6:32 pm
bigdog
no, I agree that if Louis CK would not let the women leave it definitely was not ok.
Notice I referred to these women as women and not ladies. Because when you go into a man's hotel room with pot to share, you're not being much of a lady. It didn't have to happen. The women who went into his room hoping to get high with him have to share at least some of the blame. This is one of the problems I've had with some of the women accusers of Bill Clinton. Nice Arkansas girls don't go into men's hotel rooms alone either.
And women who go into men's hotel rooms are definitely not the kind who are suddenly traumatized by something that happened 20 years ago. I guess that's really the thing that disturbs me most is that GROWN WOMEN are still whining about someone giving them a wet French kiss 10 years ago and claiming it traumatized them. They should get over it, grow up, and stop trying to be poor little girl victims. They were not raped, they were not beaten, and they had the absolute ability to close their eyes and , quite frankly, to report him to the police for indecent exposure immediately. Wanting to climb higher in the comedy business, or any business, is no reason not to report a crime. What if he had raped one of them and they didn't report it because he was such a "powerful" man in the business. That would make them responsible for the next women he violated in the same way, IMO. As a matter of fact, whoever Harvey Weinstein's first victim was that decided not to report him is responsible, in some way, for all his other victims. If women ever want any power in this world they are going to have to stop whining and get on with their lives. Don't tell people they 'traumatized" you. Tell them they pissed you off, you despise them and you're reporting them to the cops. Then get over it. Nobody has perfect lives but living in the past sure doesn't help the ones we have.
Notice I referred to these women as women and not ladies. Because when you go into a man's hotel room with pot to share, you're not being much of a lady. It didn't have to happen. The women who went into his room hoping to get high with him have to share at least some of the blame. This is one of the problems I've had with some of the women accusers of Bill Clinton. Nice Arkansas girls don't go into men's hotel rooms alone either.
And women who go into men's hotel rooms are definitely not the kind who are suddenly traumatized by something that happened 20 years ago. I guess that's really the thing that disturbs me most is that GROWN WOMEN are still whining about someone giving them a wet French kiss 10 years ago and claiming it traumatized them. They should get over it, grow up, and stop trying to be poor little girl victims. They were not raped, they were not beaten, and they had the absolute ability to close their eyes and , quite frankly, to report him to the police for indecent exposure immediately. Wanting to climb higher in the comedy business, or any business, is no reason not to report a crime. What if he had raped one of them and they didn't report it because he was such a "powerful" man in the business. That would make them responsible for the next women he violated in the same way, IMO. As a matter of fact, whoever Harvey Weinstein's first victim was that decided not to report him is responsible, in some way, for all his other victims. If women ever want any power in this world they are going to have to stop whining and get on with their lives. Don't tell people they 'traumatized" you. Tell them they pissed you off, you despise them and you're reporting them to the cops. Then get over it. Nobody has perfect lives but living in the past sure doesn't help the ones we have.
78 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/19/2017, 6:49 pm
bigdog
Now this was a REAL WOMAN, not a whiney, traumatized victim of a bad joke and a sloppy kiss:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/20-years-today-lorena-bobbitt-cuts-husband-penis-case-horrified-fascinated-nation-article-1.1379112
Just a few more women like her and we wouldn't be having this discussion today.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/20-years-today-lorena-bobbitt-cuts-husband-penis-case-horrified-fascinated-nation-article-1.1379112
Just a few more women like her and we wouldn't be having this discussion today.
79 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/19/2017, 10:49 pm
Telstar
bigdog wrote:Now this was a REAL WOMAN, not a whiney, traumatized victim of a bad joke and a sloppy kiss:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/20-years-today-lorena-bobbitt-cuts-husband-penis-case-horrified-fascinated-nation-article-1.1379112
Just a few more women like her and we wouldn't be having this discussion today.
LOL Remember when Wendy Vitter, the wife of Senator David Vitter admonished Hillary for staying married to Bill ? She said "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he [Vitter] does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me." She sang a different tune when the truth came out about Diaper Dave.
80 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/19/2017, 11:59 pm
Telstar
Telstar wrote:bigdog wrote:Now this was a REAL WOMAN, not a whiney, traumatized victim of a bad joke and a sloppy kiss:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/20-years-today-lorena-bobbitt-cuts-husband-penis-case-horrified-fascinated-nation-article-1.1379112
Just a few more women like her and we wouldn't be having this discussion today.
LOL Remember when Wendy Vitter, the wife of Senator David Vitter admonished Hillary for staying married to Bill ? She said "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he [Vitter] does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me." She sang a different tune when the truth came out about Diaper Dave.
81 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/20/2017, 5:22 am
Vikingwoman
bigdog wrote:no, I agree that if Louis CK would not let the women leave it definitely was not ok.
Notice I referred to these women as women and not ladies. Because when you go into a man's hotel room with pot to share, you're not being much of a lady. It didn't have to happen. The women who went into his room hoping to get high with him have to share at least some of the blame. This is one of the problems I've had with some of the women accusers of Bill Clinton. Nice Arkansas girls don't go into men's hotel rooms alone either.
And women who go into men's hotel rooms are definitely not the kind who are suddenly traumatized by something that happened 20 years ago. I guess that's really the thing that disturbs me most is that GROWN WOMEN are still whining about someone giving them a wet French kiss 10 years ago and claiming it traumatized them. They should get over it, grow up, and stop trying to be poor little girl victims. They were not raped, they were not beaten, and they had the absolute ability to close their eyes and , quite frankly, to report him to the police for indecent exposure immediately. Wanting to climb higher in the comedy business, or any business, is no reason not to report a crime. What if he had raped one of them and they didn't report it because he was such a "powerful" man in the business. That would make them responsible for the next women he violated in the same way, IMO. As a matter of fact, whoever Harvey Weinstein's first victim was that decided not to report him is responsible, in some way, for all his other victims. If women ever want any power in this world they are going to have to stop whining and get on with their lives. Don't tell people they 'traumatized" you. Tell them they pissed you off, you despise them and you're reporting them to the cops. Then get over it. Nobody has perfect lives but living in the past sure doesn't help the ones we have.
A woman or anybody else should be able to go into a hotel room w/o the expectation of getting raped or sexually assaulted. A man is responsible for his behavior...period! This shit about nice girls not going into hotel rooms is the same as saying you wore a short dress so you asked for it. It's an ignorant and antiquated view that women are responsible for getting sexually assaulted and have to be on guard all the time. It takes the onus off of men and their lack of control. I ain't buying it and neither is any other woman whose value is more than a hump in the sack.
82 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/20/2017, 11:26 am
PkrBum
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html
84 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/20/2017, 2:00 pm
Floridatexan
Vikingwoman wrote:bigdog wrote:no, I agree that if Louis CK would not let the women leave it definitely was not ok.
Notice I referred to these women as women and not ladies. Because when you go into a man's hotel room with pot to share, you're not being much of a lady. It didn't have to happen. The women who went into his room hoping to get high with him have to share at least some of the blame. This is one of the problems I've had with some of the women accusers of Bill Clinton. Nice Arkansas girls don't go into men's hotel rooms alone either.
And women who go into men's hotel rooms are definitely not the kind who are suddenly traumatized by something that happened 20 years ago. I guess that's really the thing that disturbs me most is that GROWN WOMEN are still whining about someone giving them a wet French kiss 10 years ago and claiming it traumatized them. They should get over it, grow up, and stop trying to be poor little girl victims. They were not raped, they were not beaten, and they had the absolute ability to close their eyes and , quite frankly, to report him to the police for indecent exposure immediately. Wanting to climb higher in the comedy business, or any business, is no reason not to report a crime. What if he had raped one of them and they didn't report it because he was such a "powerful" man in the business. That would make them responsible for the next women he violated in the same way, IMO. As a matter of fact, whoever Harvey Weinstein's first victim was that decided not to report him is responsible, in some way, for all his other victims. If women ever want any power in this world they are going to have to stop whining and get on with their lives. Don't tell people they 'traumatized" you. Tell them they pissed you off, you despise them and you're reporting them to the cops. Then get over it. Nobody has perfect lives but living in the past sure doesn't help the ones we have.
A woman or anybody else should be able to go into a hotel room w/o the expectation of getting raped or sexually assaulted. A man is responsible for his behavior...period! This shit about nice girls not going into hotel rooms is the same as saying you wore a short dress so you asked for it. It's an ignorant and antiquated view that women are responsible for getting sexually assaulted and have to be on guard all the time. It takes the onus off of men and their lack of control. I ain't buying it and neither is any other woman whose value is more than a hump in the sack.
Agree...with the caveat that a woman alone should exercise due caution.
85 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/20/2017, 10:23 pm
bigdog
I'm sorry, but due caution when I was young ALWAYS required that a woman not go into a man's hotel room with him alone. My mother taught me that and I taught my daughters the same thing. It's totally different if they were already in a relationship, but to go into a male co-worker's hotel room or to a man's apartment on a first date is simply BEYOND STUPID.
I don't think there is any issue that I don't disagree with you on Viking Woman, but you cannot speak for all women any more than I can. And I do believe that if a woman goes into a man's hotel room and there's been any slight indication of an attraction before, the man MIGHT take her motives wrong.
I'll stand my ground on the fact that women have far more control of a lot of sexual situations than they want to admit. You mentioned short dresses-short dresses were what we wore back in the mini-skirt days. Short dresses might as well be burkas with the clothing some women wear today. They wear what would have been a slip top when I was young to Walmart with no bra. I've had my husband ask me on several occasions if what a woman had on was underwear or clothes and it was impossible to tell. Sometimes their skirts show their underpants (if they are even wearing them) when they lean over, and they expect no one to say anything. I personally think there should be someone at the door of Walmart to tell people to go home and put on some clothes before they can shop there, because it is NOT reasonable to expect a man not to look, not to become aroused and not to have any physical response to what they are wearing. Men can have all the self control in the world but they, like us, are still animals and they have certain hormonal reactions that are built in that they shouldn't have to worry about being aroused when all they wanted was a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk. And THAT is the fault of women. A little more discretion in the way women dress could eliminate some problems. I'm sorry, but if you dress like a slut, some men are likely to think you are a slut. Shoot, I'm more likely to think you are a slut too. And men think that sluts are all out for it, so they treat those women like that. Not all the time, but certainly much of the time. Here's a case that could have been easily handled by the woman:
Some woman today came out and claimed Al Franken touched her butt while her husband was taking a picture of the two of them.
Her husband was taking a picture of the two of them.
I'll repeat, her husband was taking a picture of the two of them.
Instead of saying to her husband at that moment, this jackass is touching my butt honey, tell him to stop, she brings it up 6 years later so she can get her name in the news.
She's not a victim of ANY KIND of assault at all, because she could have kept it from happening. Her hubby was right there. What kind of a relationship did they have that she didn't tell him about what was going on there and then? I would have told my husband. Or I'd have pointed out my husband to Mr Franken and it would have stopped right there, I'll guarantee you that.
I'm getting sick of women whining about being patted on the butt, about being groped through a flak jacket when the man didn't even touch her, and a lot of the rest. Roy Moore has teenagers involved, his is serious to my mind. But a lot of this other stuff is just as Bill Maher says, Whiney little Bitches and Drama Queens who need to go live their lives and get over themselves. Some of them make me ashamed to be a woman. I wouldn't want to be a woman if I thought we all had to be whiney victims of whatever men so desired. And then "TRAUMATIZED" by it for 40 years later. What B.S. That's what the press is saying about us right now, and it makes me sick.
I don't think there is any issue that I don't disagree with you on Viking Woman, but you cannot speak for all women any more than I can. And I do believe that if a woman goes into a man's hotel room and there's been any slight indication of an attraction before, the man MIGHT take her motives wrong.
I'll stand my ground on the fact that women have far more control of a lot of sexual situations than they want to admit. You mentioned short dresses-short dresses were what we wore back in the mini-skirt days. Short dresses might as well be burkas with the clothing some women wear today. They wear what would have been a slip top when I was young to Walmart with no bra. I've had my husband ask me on several occasions if what a woman had on was underwear or clothes and it was impossible to tell. Sometimes their skirts show their underpants (if they are even wearing them) when they lean over, and they expect no one to say anything. I personally think there should be someone at the door of Walmart to tell people to go home and put on some clothes before they can shop there, because it is NOT reasonable to expect a man not to look, not to become aroused and not to have any physical response to what they are wearing. Men can have all the self control in the world but they, like us, are still animals and they have certain hormonal reactions that are built in that they shouldn't have to worry about being aroused when all they wanted was a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk. And THAT is the fault of women. A little more discretion in the way women dress could eliminate some problems. I'm sorry, but if you dress like a slut, some men are likely to think you are a slut. Shoot, I'm more likely to think you are a slut too. And men think that sluts are all out for it, so they treat those women like that. Not all the time, but certainly much of the time. Here's a case that could have been easily handled by the woman:
Some woman today came out and claimed Al Franken touched her butt while her husband was taking a picture of the two of them.
Her husband was taking a picture of the two of them.
I'll repeat, her husband was taking a picture of the two of them.
Instead of saying to her husband at that moment, this jackass is touching my butt honey, tell him to stop, she brings it up 6 years later so she can get her name in the news.
She's not a victim of ANY KIND of assault at all, because she could have kept it from happening. Her hubby was right there. What kind of a relationship did they have that she didn't tell him about what was going on there and then? I would have told my husband. Or I'd have pointed out my husband to Mr Franken and it would have stopped right there, I'll guarantee you that.
I'm getting sick of women whining about being patted on the butt, about being groped through a flak jacket when the man didn't even touch her, and a lot of the rest. Roy Moore has teenagers involved, his is serious to my mind. But a lot of this other stuff is just as Bill Maher says, Whiney little Bitches and Drama Queens who need to go live their lives and get over themselves. Some of them make me ashamed to be a woman. I wouldn't want to be a woman if I thought we all had to be whiney victims of whatever men so desired. And then "TRAUMATIZED" by it for 40 years later. What B.S. That's what the press is saying about us right now, and it makes me sick.
86 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/21/2017, 12:07 am
PkrBum
Now Conyers is in the hot seat. Y'all ought to stop carrying water for pervs that abuse their power.
89 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/21/2017, 9:09 pm
bigdog
Pkr, the link that you posted yesterday at 10:23 AM- I went to it and read a little of the article and then was interrupted by a "spyware alert saying my computer had been hijacked by a "pornographic website" and if I tried to close it the computer would be disabled. I phoned my daughter and she told me to go to control/alt/delete and close down Microsoft edge browser. I did that, and it went away.
Y'all be careful about going to that particular link- somebody has hijacked it and trying to infect your computer. Computers are just so easy for people to screw with.
Y'all be careful about going to that particular link- somebody has hijacked it and trying to infect your computer. Computers are just so easy for people to screw with.
90 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/21/2017, 11:00 pm
PkrBum
The CNN link? That's odd. Internet advertisers are getting out of hand.
92 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/22/2017, 2:01 am
RealLindaL
PkrBum wrote:The CNN link? That's odd. Internet advertisers are getting out of hand.
Advertiser??? Hardly.
93 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/22/2017, 8:10 pm
bigdog
I don't know why it went haywire with me but it did. My daughter came out today and got some spyware program out of my system and says she thinks it's fixed.
I don't know what us old geezers do if we don't know someone young to come fix our computers. Two out of my 3 kids can fix pretty much anything computer wise, but the youngest is like me. She knows just enough to foul the whole thing up.
I don't know what us old geezers do if we don't know someone young to come fix our computers. Two out of my 3 kids can fix pretty much anything computer wise, but the youngest is like me. She knows just enough to foul the whole thing up.
95 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/24/2017, 8:20 pm
EmeraldGhost
Regarding Roy Moore .... I think he's guilty as hell of the allegations against him. I don't live/vote in Alabama, but if I did I wouldn't vote for him for a variety of reasons.
Regarding the election ... at this point in time, I think it's gonna be too close to call, and it may stay that way right up until election day.
Regarding the election ... at this point in time, I think it's gonna be too close to call, and it may stay that way right up until election day.
97 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/26/2017, 8:01 pm
Telstar
Real women don't vote for child molesters.
98 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/27/2017, 10:51 am
EmeraldGhost
Telstar wrote:Real women don't vote for child molesters.
Well, technically Roy Moore would not a pedophile.
He's would be an ephebophile or hebephile. In some circles ephebophilia is not necessarily considered to be a "bad thing", nor considered to be "child molestation."
WIKI wrote:Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent (early adolescent) children
Ephebophilia is the primary sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19
Aside from the alleged assault on a 14 y/o, (illegal because A. it was an assault, and B. the girl was underage) and the other alleged assault where he was taking the girl home from her waitress job (illegal not because the girl was underage, but because it was an assault) ... his interest in dating girls 16 and above, as alleged by the other women who did not claim there was an assault, in and of itself, would not be illegal in Alabama, as they were all over 16 at the time.
I am reminded of the old "half+7" rule of social acceptability when it comes to a man dating younger women. That being the woman should not be less than half the man's age + 7 years. So if Roy Moore was 32 at the time his dating of anyone less than 23 would be socially unacceptable and just downright creepy (half of 32 = 16+7 = 23)
100 Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual assault 11/29/2017, 8:37 am
Telstar
Exclusive: Accuser to Roy Moore, 'Where does your immorality end?'
In an impassioned letter released exclusively today to AL.com, Leigh Corfman, who accused Roy Moore of undressing her when she was 14 and he was 32, demanded the Republican Senate candidate stop calling her a liar, and attacking her character and end his "smears and false denials."
AL.com received a copy of the letter in person from Corfman. She declined to comment beyond what was contained in the letter.
"I am not getting paid for speaking up. I am not getting rewarded from your political opponents. What I am getting is stronger by refusing to blame myself and speaking the truth out loud," the letter states.
"The initial barrage of attacks against me voiced by your campaign spokespersons and others seemed petty so I did not respond."
However, Corfman decided to write the open letter after hearing Moore's own remarks last night at a rally in Henagar, his first public appearance in nearly two weeks.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/roy_moore_leigh_corfman_accuse.html
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