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Gorsuch v. Roberts: The rookie takes on the chief

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Gorsuch, who was confirmed last spring and this week began his first full term, has shaken relations at the high court with actions that show -- depending on one's view -- a degree of arrogance or independence.
Whether personal tensions will ease is an open question. But the larger, more consequential, query is whether the new justice, who has staked out the far right of the bench, will push other conservatives to the left.
The hardline, sometimes disdainful, approach of the late conservative Justice Antonin Scalia toward Justice Sandra Day O'Connor plainly turned off his fellow Republican appointee. Scalia's tactics appeared to help move O'Connor, who retired in early 2006, toward the court's center, including on abortion rights and campus affirmative action.
Today, the dynamic between Gorsuch and Roberts is especially intriguing. They are similar in many respects, with sterling resumes, parallel professional experience and strong conservative views.
Yet Gorsuch is not a ready ally of the chief. They have seemed in different orbits so far, on substance and style.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/08/politics/neil-gorsuch-john-roberts-rivalry/index.html

Well, wouldn't it be ironic if putting an extreme right winger like Gorsuch on the court would have the effect of pushing the justices more to the center or even left? There is the Constitution and then there are the personal dynamics among the justices. This is something to watch.

I can't wait to here how they rule on the gerrymandering issue now before the court. Many more Democrats voting and yet R's taking control of state houses etc. due to rigged district lines. This undermines democracy. What happened to one person one vote in this scenario?

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That damn constitution.

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othershoe1030 wrote:
I can't wait to here how they rule on the gerrymandering issue now before the court. Many more Democrats voting and yet R's taking control of state houses etc. due to rigged district lines. This undermines democracy. What happened to one person one vote in this scenario?

To be fair, the Democrats had control of the majority of state legislatures and of both houses of Congress for a long time and they screwed it up.

Here's an interesting article about the history of party control of legislatures:

http://website.education.wisc.edu/nwhillman/index.php/2017/02/01/party-control-in-congress-and-state-legislatures/

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PkrBum wrote:That damn constitution.

What exactly are you pointing to in the Constitution that would justify irregularly shaped congressional districts designed to let the politicians choose their voters rather than letting the voters choose their representatives?

It is not easy to understand the benefits to the democracy or representative government whereby the majority of votes are cast for one party yet the other party remains in power. How do you justify that?

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PkrBum wrote:That damn constitution.

What exactly are you pointing to in the Constitution that would justify irregularly shaped congressional districts designed to let the politicians choose their voters rather than letting the voters choose their representatives?

It is not easy to understand the benefits to the democracy or representative government whereby the majority of votes are cast for one party yet the other party remains in power. How do you justify that?

I don't. The two party system maintains its power via any means necessary. See: Bernie

However... judicial activism contrary to the constitution and existing law needs to be rooted out.

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Deus X wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
I can't wait to here how they rule on the gerrymandering issue now before the court. Many more Democrats voting and yet R's taking control of state houses etc. due to rigged district lines. This undermines democracy. What happened to one person one vote in this scenario?

To be fair, the Democrats had control of the majority of state legislatures and of both houses of Congress for a long time and they screwed it up.

Here's an interesting article about the history of party control of legislatures:

http://website.education.wisc.edu/nwhillman/index.php/2017/02/01/party-control-in-congress-and-state-legislatures/


That's interesting as far as it goes but says nothing about how many D or R votes were cast in each election and how that outcome was reflected in the congress, or state legislatures. I have heard that more votes were cast for a democrat running for a district office in Florida than voted Republican and yet the state is run by Republicans. Try as I might I have been unable to pin down this report with numbers. If anyone has happened to run across this it might be interesting.

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Floridatexan wrote:
Ginsburg Slaps Gorsuch in Gerrymandering Case

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ginsburg-slaps-gorsuch

How Badly Is Neil Gorsuch Annoying the Other Supreme Court Justices?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/how-badly-is-neil-gorsuch-annoying-the-other-supreme-court-justices


Thanks for posting those articles. I like Tobin's take on the court. Also, while scrolling through that link to the New Yorker article I discovered a video posted below it about how a president can be removed from office.

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