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Sarah the patronage worker at the White House chastised the press for talking about automatic weapon bans.......Now is not the time to talk about this......gee Sarah, I would rather talk about how a totally unqualified person is press secretary, but this American record of mass murder with automatic weapons seems like a good time to discuss why these weapons are being sold in America.

I have a friend in Arizona who owns a fully automatic machine gun and shoots it regularly at a range. He keeps it locked in a safe. Why can we not talk about stopping the sale of these weapons.

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Because Donald Trump is president. Machine Gun owners are part of his base.

'Nuff said.

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It's never the time to talk about it.  They're scared to death to really discuss it, because they know they'll lose.  There's no civilian use for the kind of weapons they're talking about.

And right now they're trying to legalize silencers.  For what?  They're useless in hunting, because there's really no such thing as a "silencer" -- it just changes the harmonic of the report.  It's still going to put out a loud crack that deer or other prey would have no problem hearing.  Hell, even the action of an automatic makes a helluva clack on its own, and silencers don't work on revolvers.  No civilian has any legit use for a silencer/suppressor.   The NRA just wants another product legalized to sell.  They don't give a damn what the results are, they just want more money.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-weekend-gun-violence-leaves-32-shot-4-fatally-20171002-story.html

The weekend violence brings to at least 2,877 the number of people shot in Chicago this year, down about 400 from this time last year. There have been at least 527 homicides, about 50 fewer than this time last year, when gun violence hit levels not seen in two decades, according to data kept by the Tribune.

Shootings and homicides remain much higher than other recent years, according to the data.

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There are 90 people a day who die from guns in America. I do not propose to solve all gun violence in America. Just fully automatic weapons being used to kill a great many people. If that works we can maybe get the political momentum and courage to solve the war on drugs and gang rivalry in America. However, the question is not broad or political. It is simple. Why can't we talk about restrictions of fully automatic weapons in America? This really is simple and if there is resistance to this, then there really is a sanity deficit in America.

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Shootings and homicides remain much higher than other recent years, according to the data.


If you are going to change the subject make sure that you are familiar with the crime stats out of Chicago. The current crime rate is about half of what it was during the Regan years. It is one of the lowest crime rates over the last five years in a generation in Chicago. It is interesting that the patronage worker posing as a press secretary parroted the exact same thing you posted, which could easily be posted as Chicago murder rate almost 1/2 of historical highs, but then that would not allow a clumsy attempt to change the subject. There is no rational reason to allow fully automatic weapons in America, and the Supreme Court has made it clear that these can be restricted.

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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/02/las_vegas_shooting_are_machine_guns_and_fully_automatic_rifles_legal.html

New, fully automatic weapons—weapons that reload automatically and fire continuously with one trigger pull—have been banned for civilians in the United States since the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. Their use in crimes is incredibly rare, rarer even than the use of semi-automatic assault rifles like the AR-15 rifles used in the Sandy Hook and Aurora shootings or the Sig Sauer SIG MCX used in the Orlando shooting. Of the 91 American mass shootings catalogued by Mother Jones that have occurred since 1982, not one has seen the use of a fully automatic machine gun. It’s semi-automatic rifles—guns that reload automatically but fire only once per trigger pull—that have seen wide use in recent mass shootings and that probably constitute the majority of rifles used in homicides and other crimes. Still, rifles of all kinds constitute a small minority of criminally used guns: Only 2 percent of homicides were committed with rifles of any kind in 2014.

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It’s also legal in Nevada to own a fully automatic firearm, such as a machine gun, though federal regulations require owners to pay a $200 fee and submit to an extensive federal background check and fingerprinting, which can take up to a year to complete. This weaponry is regulated under the National Firearms Act. Some states have laws specifically restricting machine guns, but most don’t.


Why?

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Of the 91 American mass shootings catalogued by Mother Jones that have occurred since 1982, not one has seen the use of a fully automatic machine gun. It’s semi-automatic rifles—guns that reload automatically but fire only once per trigger pull—that have seen wide use in recent mass shootings and that probably constitute the majority of rifles used in homicides and other crimes. Still, rifles of all kinds constitute a small minority of criminally used guns: Only 2 percent of homicides were committed with rifles of any kind in 2014.       PkrBum
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All that sounded nice until last night. Every cop interviewed who heard the sound of those shots confirmed that it was a fully automatic weapon firing them.
I know you love to confine discussions of violence to Chicago, since Obama is from there and they have a Democratic mayor. It's obvious to you that it's democrats in control that allow all those crimes to happen. Oh, and also that large minority population. "Those people" just can't help killing each other, can they?
This was a middle aged, wealthy white man with a fully automatic weapon. According to his brother, he was not religious and he never talked about politics. The only reason to suspect he might be a mass murderer was that he bought all those guns. He was obviously a gun nut.And his daddy was labeled a psychopath by the FBI, so he had mental illness in his background. But he got ALL THOSE GUNS, and he obviously felt he needed to use them.
I can't figure out a single reason anyone in Chicago, Illinois might be connected at all. But maybe, just maybe, if a proper state background check had been done for each gun he purchased, the State of Nevada might have seen a pattern and become suspicious. They might have wondered why one man needed so many guns and been able to stop this before it happened. Of course, that would require legislation, right? And we couldn't do that because the Good old US of A and Jesus Christ both love the well-armed.

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I do not care if he was sane or crazy. Machine guns should not be legal in the United States. Period. I do not care if only a few people a year die from automatic weapons. The question is simple. Why is it even a discussion about automatic weapons owned by civilians? This is not rocket science. If we cannot ban automatic weapons in America, then special interests have decapitated American democracy.

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I think you just answered your own question Seaoat. Special interests and their money have decapitated American democracy.
It happened the day the Supreme Court ruled that money is the same as speech. The more money you have, the stronger your influence on our politicians. John McCain tried to do something about it and his own party kept it from working. We aren't likely to change under the court we now have in Washington.

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bigdog nailed it . . . . . nothing more to say. . . . .

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Congress needs to act. Period.

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2seaoat wrote:Sarah the patronage worker at the White House chastised the press for talking about automatic weapon bans.......Now is not the time to talk about this......gee Sarah, I would rather talk about how a totally unqualified person is press secretary, but this American record of mass murder with automatic weapons seems like a good time to discuss why these weapons are being sold in America.

I have a friend in Arizona who owns a fully automatic machine gun and shoots it regularly at a range. He keeps it locked in a safe. Why can we not talk about stopping the sale of these weapons.

Uh, the Vegas shooter was the only one to have automatic rifles during his carnage. The rest have been semi-auto, one trigger pull, one bullet operation. He had an elevated position over a crowded target with narrow entry and exit control points, and you know how those are at concerts. It's to ensure that non-paying folks are excluded. He had a plan and executed it. He had many weapons so reloading wasn't an issue until all 19 (now) guns had expended their rounds. Let's say all 19 had 30 round magazines, that's almost 600 rounds. From his position all he had to do was spray bullets downward into a crowd that was more attuned to Jason Aldean and not their surroundings. Do a toxicology report on the concert goers and see how many were inebriated. The venue was a literal kill box. Vegas is a city where fireworks go off all the time, I know I was out there in a time past. By the time folks realized this wasn't fireworks (which would have been most of the crowd- not everyone is a cop or military) it was too late and the stampede of drunk, chaotic partiers was a herd of humanity running too and fro. I would bet 2/3 of the 570 injured were done by this running from the site of the concert and not bullets.

This is no time to say, like Seaoat, how bad first responders sucked. I have noticed Seaoat has never been an LEO or military, yet is always the first to complain of something that goes awry. Yep, ARMCHAIR QB he is. There's never been a situation where a skyscraper has been used against its own citizens like in an urban warfare setting and that's exactly what happened. Cops had to clear each floor on the way up in case he had an accomplice. That's the reason it took two hours to get to him and by then he took the coward's way out-suicide. How many times have you done a closer quarter battle course Seaoat? Moving a team full of guys up multiple sets of stairwells, hallways and to the final objective isn't easy, especially when you realize that he could have set out IEDs or explosives. That word REALITY, as wordslinger uses time and time again, it causes time to be taken to get from point A to point Z.

Someone mentioned, "how would he have gotten that many guns into a hotel?" DUH, when was the last time that TSA inspected your bags going into a hotel? About never. Everything this guy had was concealable and easily broken down into upper and lower receiver components. IF he had 19 guns as they are saying, I bet he had 2 to 3x as many more magazines loaded and ready to go once he was finished shooting. The guy had a lot of inside information, was at the hotel multiple days to prep, and had a plan. You can't stop this evil. Only when men's hearts are changed will it stop.

You do have a right to an automatic weapon. As long as the government has the ability to have them, so should law abiding citizens. The 2A was created to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. Here was a perp with absolutely NO criminal actions in his life. LEOs where he lived never had contact with him. He filed the paperwork and had the background checks completed. That Class E license is very often more expensive than the weapon purchased. It's not an easy process. He was vetted in every way possible.

Something more is amiss here. Antifa is claiming him, ISIS is claiming him....but we still haven't heard what all types of weapons he had and we are 30+ hours post incident. He had an Asian accomplice/partner....more needs to be known about her. Out of town? How convenient. What about video surveillance at the hotel? He has to be all over the tapes moving his stuff and I bet he didn't use a valet to do so. There's more to this. What motive does an old white cracker have to do this...unless the Progressives set this up? Maybe he wanted to be a martyr for some cause?

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2seaoat wrote:Congress needs to act.  Period.

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ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote:What motive does an old white cracker have to do this...unless the Progressives set this up? Maybe he wanted to be a martyr for some cause?


Boy, it sure didn't take long for the right-wing, gun-nut crazies to roll that theory out.

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The country is up against much more than just hoping for a ban on automatic weapons. I suppose by now you've run across the news that due to pressure from the NRA gun registration records are not allowed to be computerized. No searchable digital data base exists of gun registrations. Instead all records are on PAPER in files/boxes in a warehouse in Maryland (I think it was Maryland) and overseen by one man. So first of all it looks highly unlikely that if the GOV-ment were "Coming for your guns" they would have one heck of a time even finding you.

Another news story about auto weapons is that it is illegal to sell them but for about $50 anyone can buy a "kit" on line and watch a YouTube video showing how to modify a weapon using the kit so it becomes virtually an atomic weapon. Ah, the creative genius of the free enterprise system!

Also recall we were told during the stories about police shootings of unarmed folks here and there that there are no national records kept on shootings by police due to NRA pressure.

Now instead of talking about gun control/safety we are talking about metal detectors at hotels. See, it is never the guns. It is always something else.

Also heard this morning that we have more homicides by gun in this country than other countries, even those with more weapons per capita than seen here. Don't know what countries that might be but surely our wild west/shoot-out at the OK Corel sort of culture does not help to lower gun deaths?

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If you take large inner cities out of the equation... we are a very peaceful nation.

Suicides also tilt most of the numbers. Unless suicide has been outlawed that is... Rolling Eyes

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ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote:

You do have a right to an automatic weapon.  As long as the government has the ability to have them, so should law abiding citizens. The 2A was created to protect citizens from a tyrannical government.

And here's that horseshit. Here's some news for you, fuckwit -- if the government comes after you, no kind of rifle you've got is going to stop them. They'll be coming with tanks and drones and air support and massive numbers and all your Ruby Ridge fantasies are going to fold up faster than... well, Ruby Ridge. You Waco Wackos and your pathetic pud-puller fantasies about "I'm gone stand off the gub'mint! WOLVERINEEEESSS!" are fucking pathetic. Seriously.

If a real fascistic government ever did try to take control of you, you'd eagerly grovel before them, because fascism is what you want. You have all kinds of it happening right now and you defend it, not oppose it. You brainwashed toe-rag.

The only thing those weapons are useful in civilian hands for is... what they just got used for. Which is nothing but tragedy and horror.



 Here was a perp with absolutely NO criminal actions in his life. LEOs where he lived never had contact with him.  He filed the paperwork and had the background checks completed. That Class E license is very often more expensive than the weapon purchased. It's not an easy process. He was vetted in every way possible.

And you see what he did, so... maybe civilians owning fully automatic weapons isn't the wisest thing the NRA could be pushing for. As a gun-owner, I see no legitimate civilian use for that shit. I know people that have them, and few of them are really all that "responsible."

My mechanic shoots limbs out of his trees with 'em. He has no idea where the rounds that miss fall to earth.

The guy who used to live next door to me was a highway patrolman so he had access to all kinds of shit. He used to fire full-auto M-16s and Thompsons in his backyard and terrorized everybody in the neighborhood when he'd miss. I used to ride to school with his kids in the morning and at six years old I'd sit in the back of his patrol car right next to that loaded, unsecured Thompson, with the only safety precaution being "don't touch the gun, kid." This guy was so lousy with firearms that he shot his own TV one night while cleaning his service weapon. Amazingly the TV still worked - it just took a chunk out of the glass of the screen. They made 'em tough in the 70's. And all this Yosemite-Sam shit was going on while he had three little girls and a wife in his house. Eventually he got kicked off the force for dialing back his water meter outside. Then he got fired from other jobs for various other petty thefts - stealing Coke cans from the Coke plant, etc. When he worked for a car dealership we used to watch him bring home dealer cars and siphon gas out of 'em. So, yeah, that's who can get a class 3. Man, we were happy when he finally died.

Something more is amiss here. Antifa is claiming him,

Oh, goddamn, you and your fucking "antifa." You never fucking HEARD of motherfucking "antifa" until a month or so ago and now you're some expert and they're your big boogeymen. Antifa are mostly a bunch of punk-rock kids with "anarchy" ideas. There are barely any of them, and the ones around are mostly goofs. This guy was in his 60's... he wasn't listening to Stage Bottles and playing ninja. Ya'll have made boogeymen out of about the silliest thing possible, and it makes you look like frightened rabbits.

And, no, Antifa is NOT claiming this guy, because this is not what they're about. You're getting fooled (again) by a bunch of fake Antifa accounts cooked up by right-wingers on 4chan, trying to smear them, and to stir up fear among simpleminded cowards like you and that Pkr piece-of-shit because it's so easy to scare -- and to fool -- pissy-pants gutless simps like you. I know Antifa are your super-evil-scary-folks because they punch back against bullies, which scares the shit out of your side, but c'mon, even an oughtta-be-medicated headcase like you has to pause and wonder why they'd want to claim an atrocity like this when it'd be completely detrimental to their cause. I know you just swallow whatever's dangled over your mouth by your conservative masters, but, Jesus, dude, sophisticate a little at least. Be at least a little suspicious of the crap your own side is trying to pull.

The right-wingers faking Antifa accounts are doing it so much it's starting to backfire on them. One fake Antifa account was even revealed to be coming from Russia, just to manipulate you dimwits. You're making complete fools of yourselves. You believe ANYTHING. Any-fucking-thing. You're gullible like it's your job. And then you come here thinking you're going to convince people of things. It's ridiculous. You may be that stupid, Pkr may be that stupid, but the rest of us aren't.


ISIS is claiming him....

Also doubtful. Right-wingers want it to be ISIS because they're desperate for this narrative that radicalized-Islamists are still scarier than radicalized-right-wingers. Truth is, nobody needs either of ya. The problem isn't religion... it's crazed fundies of any denomination.


but we still haven't heard what all types of weapons he had and we are 30+ hours post incident. He had an Asian accomplice/partner....more needs to be known about her. Out of town? How convenient. What about video surveillance at the hotel? He has to be all over the tapes moving his stuff and I bet he didn't use a valet to do so. There's more to this. What motive does an old white cracker have to do this...unless the Progressives set this up? Maybe he wanted to be a martyr for some cause?


Oh, god, now it's Alex Jones horseshit. Anything that makes you a "victim" you'll slam down your gullet without even chewing, no matter how ridiculous and illogical it is.

Are you some kind of masochist, getting off on humiliating yourself in front of people smarter than you? Is this why you spout this silly crap?




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We cannot have every venue in America with airport security lines. There has to be a time when we look at guns. We have open common sense discussions. This idea that congress cannot put restrictions on firearms is an illiterate concept where nobody has bothered to read Supreme Court cases. We can regulate guns. Period.

The windows were alarmed. The front desk as reported had been alarmed. They are now reporting the time period was one hour and 12 minutes from the first shot to breach of the door. This is unacceptable. No plan, no training, and certain death for those who relied on the false pretense that in America you are protected by the criminal justice system.

Time will be a factor in the future. The government is incapable of responding in a timely fashion unless luck is involved. The duty of policy parameters is to minimize luck and get certain response by design, training, and commitment. The Mayor of Las Vegas is the former wife of one of the hotel owners who fought the sprinklers, and God knows she would not demand that Hotel security should prove to the city that they can get entry in any room in their hotel in less than five minutes. Train and perfect because this will happen again and I am shocked why it took this long to expose the utter nonsense that the criminal justice system protects us from attacks. They just get more funding since 911 and bigger pay checks. Sorry the truth. We need new paradigms on citizen security including home monitored security video, smoke and heat detection to crush the 1800 fire and police models.

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zsomething wrote:
ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote:

You do have a right to an automatic weapon.  As long as the government has the ability to have them, so should law abiding citizens. The 2A was created to protect citizens from a tyrannical government.

And here's that horseshit.  Here's some news for you, fuckwit -- if the government comes after you, no kind of rifle you've got is going to stop them.  They'll be coming with tanks and drones and air support and massive numbers and all your Ruby Ridge fantasies are going to fold up faster than... well, Ruby Ridge.  You Waco Wackos and your pathetic pud-puller fantasies about "I'm gone stand off the gub'mint! WOLVERINEEEESSS!" are fucking pathetic.  Seriously.  

If a real fascistic government ever did try to take control of you, you'd eagerly grovel before them, because fascism is what you want.   You have all kinds of it happening right now and you defend it, not oppose it.  You brainwashed toe-rag.

The only thing those weapons are useful in civilian hands for is... what they just got used for.  Which is nothing but tragedy and horror.



 Here was a perp with absolutely NO criminal actions in his life. LEOs where he lived never had contact with him.  He filed the paperwork and had the background checks completed. That Class E license is very often more expensive than the weapon purchased. It's not an easy process. He was vetted in every way possible.

And you see what he did, so... maybe civilians owning fully automatic weapons isn't the wisest thing the NRA could be pushing for.  As a gun-owner, I see no legitimate civilian use for that shit.   I know people that have them, and few of them are really all that "responsible."  

My mechanic shoots limbs out of his trees with 'em.  He has no idea where the rounds that miss fall to earth.  

The guy who used to live next door to me was a highway patrolman so he had access to all kinds of shit.  He used to fire full-auto M-16s and Thompsons in his backyard and terrorized everybody in the neighborhood when he'd miss.  I used to ride to school with his kids in the morning and at six years old I'd sit in the back of his patrol car right next to that loaded, unsecured Thompson, with the only safety precaution being "don't touch the gun, kid."   This guy was so lousy with firearms that he shot his own TV one night while cleaning his service weapon.  Amazingly the TV still worked - it just took a chunk out of the glass of the screen.  They made 'em tough in the 70's.   And all this Yosemite-Sam shit was going on while he had three little girls and a wife in his house.  Eventually he got kicked off the force for dialing back his water meter outside.  Then he got fired from other jobs for various other petty thefts - stealing Coke cans from the Coke plant, etc.  When he worked for a car dealership we used to watch him bring home dealer cars and siphon gas out of 'em.  So, yeah, that's who can get a class 3.  Man, we were happy when he finally died.

Something more is amiss here. Antifa is claiming him,

Oh, goddamn, you and your fucking "antifa."  You never fucking HEARD of motherfucking "antifa" until a month or so ago and now you're some expert and they're your big boogeymen.  Antifa are mostly a bunch of punk-rock kids with "anarchy" ideas.  There are barely any of them, and the ones around are mostly goofs.  This guy was in his 60's... he wasn't listening to Stage Bottles and playing ninja.  Ya'll have made boogeymen out of about the silliest thing possible, and it makes you look like frightened rabbits.

 And, no, Antifa is NOT claiming this guy, because this is not what they're about.   You're getting fooled (again) by a bunch of fake Antifa accounts cooked up by right-wingers on 4chan, trying to smear them, and to stir up fear among simpleminded cowards like you and that Pkr piece-of-shit because it's so easy to scare -- and to fool -- pissy-pants gutless simps like you.   I know Antifa are your super-evil-scary-folks because they punch back against bullies, which scares the shit out of your side, but c'mon, even an oughtta-be-medicated headcase like you has to pause and wonder why they'd want to claim an atrocity like this when it'd be completely detrimental to their cause.  I know you just swallow whatever's dangled over your mouth by your conservative masters, but, Jesus, dude, sophisticate a little at least.  Be at least a little suspicious of the crap your own side is trying to pull.

The right-wingers faking Antifa accounts are doing it so much it's starting to backfire on them.  One fake Antifa account was even revealed to be coming from Russia, just to manipulate you dimwits.  You're making complete fools of yourselves.   You believe ANYTHING.  Any-fucking-thing.  You're gullible like it's your job. And then you come here thinking you're going to convince people of things.  It's ridiculous.  You may be that stupid, Pkr may be that stupid, but the rest of us aren't.


ISIS is claiming him....

Also doubtful.  Right-wingers want it to be ISIS because they're desperate for this narrative that radicalized-Islamists are still scarier than radicalized-right-wingers.  Truth is, nobody needs either of ya.  The problem isn't religion... it's crazed fundies of any denomination.


but we still haven't heard what all types of weapons he had and we are 30+ hours post incident. He had an Asian accomplice/partner....more needs to be known about her. Out of town? How convenient. What about video surveillance at the hotel? He has to be all over the tapes moving his stuff and I bet he didn't use a valet to do so. There's more to this. What motive does an old white cracker have to do this...unless the Progressives set this up? Maybe he wanted to be a martyr for some cause?


Oh, god, now it's Alex Jones horseshit.  Anything that makes you a "victim" you'll slam down your gullet without even chewing, no matter how ridiculous and illogical it is.

 Are you some kind of masochist, getting off on humiliating yourself in front of people smarter than you?  Is this why you spout this silly crap?  





The only one making a fool of themself is you and your frothing at
The mouth when you can't accept the opposite of
what the MSM tells you or the talking heads that control you ( MSLSD, CNN, ABC etc) and how they want you to think. Remember, it was your hero Mika who told you how to think and said it was her job to shape your mindset.

Seems as if it was reported a bump fire stock was added to at least one of
The weapons. It's a cheap and legal means of increasing the cyclic rate of fire for a semi auto.

Lots of this story isn't adding up and who did he send 100k to in PI?

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Lots of this story isn't adding up

Let me help with the math.

Automatic weapons, modified semi automatic, and military weapons in civilian hands.

+

unstable person

=

death

An unstable person can kill somebody with a can opener.....but not efficiently so I would suggest that we work on this equation and eliminate these weapons.

I know....Fox News will talk about the mass can opener murder, but I think America can live with that, but enough with talk of the second amendment in regard to automatic weapons, conversion kits, and some semi automatic weaponry. enough.

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ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote:
The only one making a fool of themself is you

Oooo, the "I know you are but what am I?" gambit. Good one, Pee Wee.

and your frothing at
The mouth when you can't accept the opposite of
what the MSM tells you

But in the case of what we're talking about, the opposite of what the "MSM" says is... complete bullshit. So why would I accept complete bullshit? Just to be ornery? Sometimes what the news tells you is true... eeeeeeeven when you really, really hate it.

By the way, FOX News is also "main stream media." Ya'll conveniently ignore their ratings when it suits the obsessive little worldview you've been trained to accept.


or the talking heads that control you ( MSLSD, CNN, ABC etc) and how they want you to think.

Weird how I don't always agree with 'em. You, however, seem to be in lockstep with Breitbart and the rest of that ilk. Really, we don't even need you -- we could just look at their website if we wanted to know what you think. You don't have an original thought in your head. I don't think you're even capable of it. You were born with zero creativity or imagination, and individuality scares the hell out of you... which is why you're attracted to the kind of politics you are. Conformity. It assures you that it's okay to be a dullard, as long as you have plenty of company.



Remember, it was your hero Mika who told you how to think and said it was her job to shape your mindset.

Ah, I don't give half a damn about Mika.

Seems as if it was reported a bump fire stock was added to at least one of
The weapons. It's a cheap and legal means of increasing the cyclic rate of fire for a semi auto.

Yeah, I know about gun modification. But, I know it's new to you and you're just dying to tell somebody you learned something. Wouldn't be surprised if he bought a Gat trigger enhancement system or a 3MR trigger, too. Not sure what you think it proves if he did, though. Be it through modifications or a legit class 3 license (which this guy certainly could have afforded, and would have been granted), he had a full-auto rate.


Lots of this story isn't adding up and who did he send 100k to in PI?

His girlfriend, most likely, since she's apparently from there. Or possibly to the moon men who live in your cereal and are stealing your precious bodily fluids while you sleep. You should probably wrap yourself in tinfoil to ward them off. They're after ya! The fact that the MSM aren't reporting on it proves it!

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zsomething wrote:
ALTLEFTCRIMINALS wrote:
The only one making a fool of themself is you

Oooo, the "I know you are but what am I?" gambit.  Good one, Pee Wee.

and your frothing at
The mouth when you can't accept the opposite of
what the MSM tells you

But in the case of what we're talking about, the opposite of what the "MSM" says is... complete bullshit.  So why would I accept complete bullshit?  Just to be ornery?  Sometimes what the news tells you is true... eeeeeeeven when you really, really hate it.

By the way, FOX News is also "main stream media."  Ya'll conveniently ignore their ratings when it suits the obsessive little worldview you've been trained to accept.


or the talking heads that control you ( MSLSD, CNN, ABC etc) and how they want you to think.

Weird how I don't always agree with 'em.  You, however, seem to be in lockstep with Breitbart and the rest of that ilk.  Really, we don't even need  you -- we could just look at their website if we wanted to know what you think.   You don't have an original thought in your head.  I don't think you're even capable of it.  You were born with zero creativity or imagination, and individuality scares the hell out of you... which is why you're attracted to the kind of politics you are.  Conformity.  It assures you that it's okay to be a dullard, as long as you have plenty of company.



Remember, it was your hero Mika who told you how to think and said it was her job to shape your mindset.

Ah, I don't give half a damn about Mika.

Seems as if it was reported a bump fire stock was added to at least one of
The weapons. It's a cheap and legal means of increasing the cyclic rate of fire for a semi auto.

Yeah, I know about gun modification.  But, I know it's new to you and you're just dying to tell somebody you learned something.  Wouldn't be surprised if he bought a Gat trigger enhancement system or a 3MR trigger, too.  Not sure what you think it proves if he did, though.  Be it through modifications or a legit class 3 license (which this guy certainly could have afforded, and would have been granted), he had a full-auto rate.


Lots of this story isn't adding up and who did he send 100k to in PI?

His girlfriend, most likely, since she's apparently from there.  Or possibly to the moon men who live in your cereal and are stealing your precious bodily fluids while you sleep.  You should probably wrap yourself in tinfoil to ward them off.  They're after ya!  The fact that the MSM aren't reporting on it proves it!

All of your frothing at the mouth means you just really need to rename your sock to - Verbose

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zsomething wrote:It's never the time to talk about it.  They're scared to death to really discuss it, because they know they'll lose.  There's no civilian use for the kind of weapons they're talking about.

And right now they're trying to legalize silencers.  For what?  They're useless in hunting, because there's really no such thing as a "silencer" -- it just changes the harmonic of the report.  It's still going to put out a loud crack that deer or other prey would have no problem hearing.  Hell, even the action of an automatic makes a helluva clack on its own, and silencers don't work on revolvers.  No civilian has any legit use for a silencer/suppressor.   The NRA just wants another product legalized to sell.  They don't give a damn what the results are, they just want more money.

Silencers are already out there to be bought. Try attending a gun show. However silerncers would have been no use to our last shooter. Silencers melt under the strain of a high cyclic rate of fire weapon. Don't be stupid like Hillary .

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