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So just how close are Trump and Putin?

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

So just how close are Trump and Putin? Trump_11

Telstar

Telstar

Wordslinger wrote:So just how close are Trump and Putin? Trump_11


LOL Words I'm grabbing that one. I'll bet Trump is closer to Puty than he is to any of his wives or kids.  Crying or Very sad

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Wordslinger wrote:So just how close are Trump and Putin? Trump_11

I was thinking maybe they should get a room.

Soon we'll find out if we can believe Sean Spicer, Trump's spokesman because he denies "100%" this story that's flying around on line about Trump planning on meeting with Putin ASAP after he's sworn in.

Donald Trump's first foreign trip as president is expected to be a visit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, The Sunday Times reported late Saturday.

The U.K. newspaper said Trump and his team told British officials that their first foreign trip would be a summit in Iceland with Putin within weeks of his inauguration.

The plan is likely a nod to Ronald Reagan’s Cold War visit in Reykjavik with Mikhail Gorbachev, the newspaper noted.

Trump wants to discuss nuclear disarmament with Putin, the Times reported, adding that sources said Trump wants to meet Putin outside of Russia and that Reykjavik was a strong contender.

The meeting has not officially been announced by Trump team officials or Russian officials, and reports say Iceland has not been formally contacted about such an event.

Trump’s relationship with Putin has been the subject of controversy following U.S. intelligence reports that Russia interfered in the election to help the businessman.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/314374-trumps-first-foreign-trip-as-president-will-be-to-meet-putin

2seaoat



We will see. I do not believe the sky is falling or there is any pending threat to this nation just because of his personality disorders. I am encouraged by the independence of the senate and the hope that common sense will temper his personality. It actually could be a productive four months as hopefully he will focus on America and not Russia.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

2seaoat wrote:We will see.  I do not believe the sky is falling or there is any pending threat to this nation just because of his personality disorders.  I am encouraged by the independence of the senate and the hope that common sense will temper his personality.  It actually could be a productive four months as hopefully he will focus on America and not Russia.

I hope you are right, however for some deranged reason our president elect seems to be obsessed with V. Putin. Now he's considering lifting sanctions against Russia. Fortunately there are lots of sanctions, which have been established in different ways so some Trump could sign away and some would require Congressional approval. And, thank goodness there is always public opinion and demonstrations and protests that have changed more than one thing over the course of our history.

Sorry, I am much less relaxed about our current situation than you. Between the One intervention Trump's team made to the Republican Party Platform (remember it had to do with Russia and us sending help to Ukraine) to the FBI falling down on the job in their lack of follow-through on the Russian/Trump connection, to Trump's constant denial of Russia being behind the hacking (until recently) to his consideration of lifting sanctions and now, maybe, maybe not setting up plans to meet first with VP. Now we also discover that General Flynn called Russian diplomats five times on the very day President Obama was pronouncing his sanctions against them...and Tillerson and Manafort and heaven only knows what else may pop up in the next tweet or the next 24 hours? Yes. I see enough dots to paint a pointillist portrait of a very very strange situation to say the least.

Donald Trump and his surrogates have suggested that they would consider giving Vladimir Putin a multibillion-dollar gift by lifting some of Washington’s onerous sanctions on Russia. And the incoming president’s pick for secretary of state, Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson, has ties to Putin and has panned sanctions against Moscow in the past.

All of which raises a question: Could Trump actually lift sanctions on Russia, giving the country’s weak economy a much-needed lift and setting the stage for a far closer relationship with Putin?

The short answer is that it depends on which sanctions Trump wants to lift. The US has different types of measures in place against Moscow, each motivated by a different kind of Russian misbehavior. Trump could definitely remove some of them on his own, but giving Russia a complete free pass would require persuading Congress that Putin had changed his stripes. That would be a tough sell given that many of Trump’s fellow Republicans believe the Russian leader is a foe of the US and is acting more ruthlessly than ever before.

http://www.vox.com/world/2016/12/23/14028546/trump-lift-russia-sanctions

Sal

Sal

2seaoat wrote:We will see.  I do not believe the sky is falling or there is any pending threat to this nation just because of his personality disorders.  I am encouraged by the independence of the senate and the hope that common sense will temper his personality.  It actually could be a productive four months as hopefully he will focus on America and not Russia.

Yeah, ...

... Mitch is gonna save us ...

... damn man, time to wake the fuck up.

2seaoat



It only takes two senators to derail bad law created by the administration, and there are plenty of senators who are not going to bend over for Putin.

Vikingwoman



othershoe1030 wrote:
2seaoat wrote:We will see.  I do not believe the sky is falling or there is any pending threat to this nation just because of his personality disorders.  I am encouraged by the independence of the senate and the hope that common sense will temper his personality.  It actually could be a productive four months as hopefully he will focus on America and not Russia.

I hope you are right, however for some deranged reason our president elect seems to be obsessed with V. Putin. Now he's considering lifting sanctions against Russia. Fortunately there are lots of sanctions, which have been established in different ways so some Trump could sign away and some would require Congressional approval. And, thank goodness there is always public opinion and demonstrations and protests that have changed more than one thing over the course of our history.

Sorry, I am much less relaxed about our current situation than you. Between the One intervention Trump's team made to the Republican Party Platform (remember it had to do with Russia and us sending help to Ukraine) to the FBI falling down on the job in their lack of follow-through on the Russian/Trump connection, to Trump's constant denial of Russia being behind the hacking (until recently) to his consideration of lifting sanctions and now, maybe, maybe not setting up plans to meet first with VP. Now we also discover that General Flynn called Russian diplomats five times on the very day President Obama was pronouncing his sanctions against them...and Tillerson and Manafort and heaven only knows what else may pop up in the next tweet or the next 24 hours? Yes. I see enough dots to paint a pointillist portrait of a very very strange situation to say the least.

Donald Trump and his surrogates have suggested that they would consider giving Vladimir Putin a multibillion-dollar gift by lifting some of Washington’s onerous sanctions on Russia. And the incoming president’s pick for secretary of state, Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson, has ties to Putin and has panned sanctions against Moscow in the past.

All of which raises a question: Could Trump actually lift sanctions on Russia, giving the country’s weak economy a much-needed lift and setting the stage for a far closer relationship with Putin?

The short answer is that it depends on which sanctions Trump wants to lift. The US has different types of measures in place against Moscow, each motivated by a different kind of Russian misbehavior. Trump could definitely remove some of them on his own, but giving Russia a complete free pass would require persuading Congress that Putin had changed his stripes. That would be a tough sell given that many of Trump’s fellow Republicans believe the Russian leader is a foe of the US and is acting more ruthlessly than ever before.

http://www.vox.com/world/2016/12/23/14028546/trump-lift-russia-sanctions

Why is he even considering lifting sanctions? Why are Trump's people in contact w/ Putin? What is going on w/ Trump and Russia? This is what Americans need to ask them selves? THERE WAS A REASON RUSSIA HELPED TRUMP!!!

Markle

Markle

So just how close are Trump and Putin? ObamakissingHugoChavez

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:So just how close are Trump and Putin? ObamakissingHugoChavez


Hugo Chavez is dead. Obama will be irrelevant after January 20. The photo our resident racist-fascist Markle has posted has nothing whatever to do with the serious question concerning Trump and Putin's relationship.

Both Obama and Chavez are dark skinned.

Anyone not surprised?

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:

Hugo Chavez is dead.  Obama will be irrelevant after January 20.  The photo our resident racist-fascist Markle has posted has nothing whatever to do with the serious question concerning Trump and Putin's relationship.

Both Obama and Chavez are dark skinned.

Anyone not surprised?

How is it any different than the photoshop posted by you?

Petulant President Obama and Hugo Chavez
So just how close are Trump and Putin? Obama-chavez

Here is a photo of an Obama campaign office in Texas prior to the 2008 election.  So just how close are Trump and Putin? Che-guevara-poster-obama

Here we see Petulant President Obama posing for photos with another of his hero's.  You must be tickled!
So just how close are Trump and Putin? Obama%20with%20Che_zpsh9asjghg

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:

Hugo Chavez is dead.  Obama will be irrelevant after January 20.  The photo our resident racist-fascist Markle has posted has nothing whatever to do with the serious question concerning Trump and Putin's relationship.

Both Obama and Chavez are dark skinned.

Anyone not surprised?

How is it any different than the photoshop posted by you?

Petulant President Obama and Hugo Chavez
So just how close are Trump and Putin? Obama-chavez

Here is a photo of an Obama campaign office in Texas prior to the 2008 election.  So just how close are Trump and Putin? Che-guevara-poster-obama

Here we see Petulant President Obama posing for photos with another of his hero's.  You must be tickled!
So just how close are Trump and Putin? Obama%20with%20Che_zpsh9asjghg

Here's how my photoshop pic of Trump and Putin in bed together is different from your shots of Obama and other latin American leaders ...

My shot deals with a very serious problem Trump's candidacy has dealt us and with which we have to deal with NOW. There was never a serious doubt that Obama was loyal to his country or that he worked in cahoots with our enemies to destroy us. Trouble is, we can't say the same about the Pussy Grabber with the dead rat on his head!!

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:

Hugo Chavez is dead.  Obama will be irrelevant after January 20.  The photo our resident racist-fascist Markle has posted has nothing whatever to do with the serious question concerning Trump and Putin's relationship.

Both Obama and Chavez are dark skinned.

Anyone not surprised?

How is it any different than the photoshop posted by you?

Petulant President Obama and Hugo Chavez
So just how close are Trump and Putin? Obama-chavez

Here is a photo of an Obama campaign office in Texas prior to the 2008 election.  So just how close are Trump and Putin? Che-guevara-poster-obama

Here we see Petulant President Obama posing for photos with another of his hero's.  You must be tickled!
So just how close are Trump and Putin? Obama%20with%20Che_zpsh9asjghg

Here's how my photoshop pic of Trump and Putin in bed together is different from your shots of Obama and other latin American leaders ...  

My shot deals with a very serious problem Trump's candidacy has dealt us and with which we have to deal with  NOW.  There was never a serious doubt that Obama was loyal to his country or that he worked in cahoots with our enemies to destroy us.  Trouble is, we can't say the same about the Pussy Grabber with the dead rat on his head!!

So just how close are Trump and Putin? Liar-Liar-pants-on-fire

Guest


Guest

How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


This thread is about Trump and Putin. Nice try deflecting from the subject.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/41362-focus-donald-trump-russia-and-the-political-witch-hunt-that-isnt

Donald Trump, Russia, and the Political 'Witch Hunt' That Isn't

By Frank Rich, New York Magazine

13 January 17


Most weeks, New York Magazine writer-at-large Frank Rich speaks with contributor Alex Carp about the biggest stories in politics and culture. Today: Trump’s press conference, BuzzFeed, and Bill O’Reilly’s settlement.

Near the end of Donald Trump’s press conference yesterday, Trump was asked if he could “stand here today, once and for all, and say that no one connected” to him or his campaign “had any contact with Russia leading up to or during the presidential campaign.” He tried to avoid the question at the podium, and the press chased him to ask again at the elevator. Is this a sign that Trump’s Russia evasions and broad denials will eventually run out of steam?

Let’s not pretend we don’t know what is happening here. There is evidence that Donald Trump and his administration-in-formation are partially, perhaps wholly, beholden to the Kremlin and/or those Russian oligarchs in its thrall.
This is why Trump refused to answer that question about contacts with Russia during the campaign — and why he’ll lie about it when he finally feels he must muster some kind of answer. His symbiosis with Russia is also why he will never release his tax returns, for what other reason could there be at this point except that they reveal the Russian financial ties he denies? After all, we already know the other embarrassments contained in those returns — that he hasn’t paid taxes for years, that he practices no actual philanthropy, and that his businesses are in a perennial waltz with bankruptcy, fraud, and failure.

No, Russia is the big story here. The elephant in the room is a bear. Trump has made no bones about repeatedly hiring fellow Putin sycophants, whether his former campaign chief Paul Manafort, the incoming National Security Adviser, Mike Flynn, or the secretary of State nominee, Rex Tillerson. When the heroic aviator Charles Lindbergh was awarded a medal, the Service Cross of the German Eagle, by Hermann Goering “by order of der Führer” before World War II, it helped make him persona non grata in the FDR White House. When Tillerson received a Russian Order of Friendship Award from Putin, Trump regarded it as an incentive to hire him.

How this will play out once Trump is inaugurated is impossible to fathom. We have a president-elect who trusts Putin and Julian Assange more than he does America’s intelligence agencies, whom he has compared to the Nazis. Perhaps Trump’s only real goal is to grab money from deep Russian pockets as fast as he can in opaque business deals managed by his sons while he’s in office.

Even so, it’s entirely possible that he and Flynn will help facilitate Putin’s own political aims in exchange — all the while claiming that their motive is merely to band with Russia in “fighting ISIS.” What’s clear is that we are not going to get straight answers to any Russian questions. Even before Trump took over the lectern at his Wednesday press conference, his press spokesman, Sean Spicer, unleashed a preemptive lie about still another Trump-Kremlin connection by claiming that Trump “does not know” Carter Page, an investment banker who was investigated by the F.B.I. last summer for suspicions of private dealings with Russian leaders. In fact, Page had been announced as a Trump foreign-policy adviser by his campaign last year and had been cited by name by Trump himself in an interview with the Washington Post editorial board in March. Both Page and Trump, by the way, have used the term “witch hunt” to describe any attempts to investigate their Russian dealings — the same term used by the Kremlin to fend off evidence that Putin manipulated the American election. Perhaps Page and Trump have the same Kremlin handler, whether or not it is the former KGB agent Putin himself.

Just minutes after CNN reported that intelligence agencies had briefed Trump and President Obama about compromising financial and personal information Russia may hold about the president-elect, BuzzFeed posted a dossier containing the unconfirmed details. BuzzFeed says their dossier is “how we see the job of reporters in 2017”; CNN’s Jake Tapper says it is “irresponsible” and “hurts us all.” Did BuzzFeed make the right call?

Next to the staggering list of press failures that have marked Trump’s rise to the presidency, this seems small potatoes. BuzzFeed did frame what it published as being both unconfirmed and redolent with errors. The “dossier” may well prove to be utter trash (if entertaining trash), and the only slender justification for publishing it is that it fleshes out a true news break by CNN, that both Obama and Trump had been told of this salacious report’s existence by American intelligence agencies, who also have not verified it. But is BuzzFeed’s sin worse than CNN having put Trump henchman Corey Lewandowski on its election-year payroll? Or than the Times repeatedly giving major home-page play to data suggesting that Hillary Clinton had a close to 100 percent chance of victory right up to Election Day? You could argue that that latter stunt actually suppressed Democratic turnout in the presidential race; the BuzzFeed stunt changed nothing unless you count the impressive number of jokes it has prompted, on Twitter and beyond, around the phenomenon of #GoldenShower. It is not a bright spot in BuzzFeed’s history, but the ruckus it has generated seems disproportionate, a reflection of how much Trump has put the press on the defensive over a bruising 18 months.

What most seems to upset press critics about BuzzFeed’s action —understandably — is that Trump seized on it to paint the entire press Establishment, including CNN, as purveyors of “fake news.” That is an outrage, but if Trump hadn’t found this pretext, he would have found another opening soon enough. There is, of course, no bigger purveyor of fake news than Trump himself, unless it’s his comrade in alt-right propaganda, Stephen Bannon. Trump’s entire campaign was spawned by trafficking in conspiracy theories, whether about President Obama or Mexican immigrants or imaginary Muslims cheering 9/11 in New Jersey. His effort to play the virtuous defender of journalistic ethics is as ludicrous as his presenting himself as the greatest, most respectful champion of America’s women. He is determined to bully, destabilize, and discredit the press. But those who buy his preposterous self-righteous pose are so imprisoned by the alternative reality of Trump anyway that they might as well be Scientologists — nothing short of an intervention will return them to the real world. These are the same people who think that Trump’s display of piles of manila envelopes at his press conference actually told us something about his business ethics. If I may briefly embrace Trumpism by being both vulgar and politically incorrect, let me say that people who fall for his bullshit are idiots. Even if the dossier BuzzFeed published is found to be mostly true, they’ll still believe it’s fake news because it doesn’t match the fake news they are imbibing every day.

It’s now come out that, soon after Fox News ousted chairman Roger Ailes,
declaring that his behavior would not be tolerated, the network also settled with an employee making similar sexual-harassment complaints against Bill O’Reilly. Why do you think O’Reilly was able to remain at the network?

As my colleague Gabriel Sherman has reported, Fox News is now officially all in on Trump, as certified by Rupert Murdoch’s decision to promote the Trump-friendly Tucker Carlson to the Trump skeptic Megyn Kelly’s vacated prime-time slot. A network allied with the president-elect who gave America “grab ’em by the pussy” and that tolerated Ailes’s predatory sexual behavior for years is certainly going to stand by its highest-rated on-camera personality even if he is a repeat sexual offender. Let’s just be grateful that neither BuzzFeed nor anyone else has yet obtained audio tapes of O’Reilly masturbating while on the phone with his female prey, a particularly gross element in the Times’ account of the latest incident. Then again, in the Trump era, it’s safe to say that just as Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any of his followers, so O’Reilly could be found masturbating outside the Fox News studio on Sixth Avenue and not lose the confidence of either his viewers or the Murdochs.

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?


Che was dedicated to the cause of the peasant who were being exploited by evil governments and/or corporations. You condemn him. Why?

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?


Che was dedicated to the cause of the peasant who were being exploited by evil governments and/or corporations.  You condemn him.  Why?

Because he was an evil murderous thug that was no better... and in fact worse... than the Latin oligarchs. To think that an autocratic system by another name improves the lives of peasants is silly... and ignores reality.

Markle

Markle

PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?

My guess would be that Petulant President Obama is the only one.

Telstar

Telstar

Markle wrote:
PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?

My guess would be that Petulant President Obama is the only one.



Telstar

Telstar

Markle wrote:
PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?

My guess would be that Petulant President Obama is the only one.



Markle

Markle

PkrBum wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?

Che was dedicated to the cause of the peasant who were being exploited by evil governments and/or corporations. You condemn him. Why?

Because he was an evil murderous thug that was no better... and in fact worse... than the Latin oligarchs. To think that an autocratic system by another name improves the lives of peasants is silly... and ignores reality.

Even I was a bit surprised to see my Socialist good friend rise up and support the murderous dictator. Then again, both are Communists.

Telstar

Telstar

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?

My guess would be that Petulant President Obama is the only one.


Oher than the fact there is a photo of Obama and other Latin American leaders posing in front of a building with a mural of Che, what other evidence do you have that Obama admired or revered Che Guevara? Or is this like the bullshit you tossed to make us believe that John Lewis was "scandal ridden?"

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?

My guess would be that Petulant President Obama is the only one.

Oher than the fact there is a photo of Obama and other Latin American leaders posing in front of a building with a mural of Che, what other evidence do you have that Obama admired or revered Che Guevara?  Or is this like the bullshit you tossed to make us believe that John Lewis was "scandal ridden?"

So just how close are Trump and Putin? Obama-wave-castro-575x384_zpsejr6ivfl

Telstar

Telstar

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
PkrBum wrote:How many presidents do you suppose have admired and even revered che?

My guess would be that Petulant President Obama is the only one.

Oher than the fact there is a photo of Obama and other Latin American leaders posing in front of a building with a mural of Che, what other evidence do you have that Obama admired or revered Che Guevara?  Or is this like the bullshit you tossed to make us believe that John Lewis was "scandal ridden?"

So just how close are Trump and Putin? Obama-wave-castro-575x384_zpsejr6ivfl



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