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China gets their first aircraft carrier
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3 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/25/2012, 9:05 pm
knothead
Isn't that the one they purchased from Russia?
4 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/25/2012, 9:16 pm
Hospital Bob
Nah, obama is a muslim and the commies don't cotton to muslims.NaNook wrote:Did they name it after Obama?
5 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/25/2012, 10:07 pm
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johndough wrote:http://gcaptain.com/chinese-navy-receives-aircraft/
They can now take their fighters and bombers anywhere they want.
Scary:
"The carrier will enhance China’s warfighting and defense capabilities and “promote international peace and common development,” China’s Defense Ministry said in a statement on its website today." (emphasis mine)
Yikes.
"Promote international peace" my sweet ass.
6 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/25/2012, 11:16 pm
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Looks like they forgot something.... Ummmm, planes?
7 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/25/2012, 11:24 pm
TEOTWAWKI
Yomama wrote:Looks like they forgot something.... Ummmm, planes?
No dummy those are stealth planes...sheesh.
8 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 12:39 am
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All the more reason to cancel diplomatic relations with Egypt, Libya, and a few other ME countries along with cutting our funding to the United Nations.
Let some of these up and coming countries that have wealth deal with the problems and give more support to the United Nations.
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9 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 8:09 am
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johndough wrote:http://gcaptain.com/chinese-navy-receives-aircraft/
They can now take their fighters and bombers anywhere they want.
They are a LONG way from being able to conduct true carrier aviation operations. This platform is a test bed for designing their own carriers and carrier capable aircraft. It's going to be a huge money pit and pilot killer for them for quite some time.
10 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 8:33 am
2seaoat
They are a LONG way from being able to conduct true carrier aviation operations. This platform is a test bed for designing their own carriers and carrier capable aircraft. It's going to be a huge money pit and pilot killer for them for quite some time.
exactly. The next 30 years you will see a transition where the Chinese economy will become the world's largest economy, and military strength is tied to economies, but to fear that the Chinese are going to become this huge offensive power base ignores history, or the time it will take to create such a force. We will rather be living in a world of new delivery systems of weapons which do not have their basis in a 1940s concept of a carrier grouping, and we will see much more flexible delivery systems.....the age of the drone is upon us.
exactly. The next 30 years you will see a transition where the Chinese economy will become the world's largest economy, and military strength is tied to economies, but to fear that the Chinese are going to become this huge offensive power base ignores history, or the time it will take to create such a force. We will rather be living in a world of new delivery systems of weapons which do not have their basis in a 1940s concept of a carrier grouping, and we will see much more flexible delivery systems.....the age of the drone is upon us.
11 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 8:45 am
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johndough wrote:http://gcaptain.com/chinese-navy-receives-aircraft/
They can now take their fighters and bombers anywhere they want.
They have barely mastered moving it away from the pier. They are a decade away from actually being able to use this as a projection of power. That is the minimum time it takes to make a nation proficient at the use of air power from the sea. Having all the stealing of the tech is one thing, actually using this where man has to make the right decisions at the right time to take off and LAND (especially) is the real trick. We will never be privvy to the multiple times one of their aviators slams into the rear of this vessel because the glide slope they were on is all wrong.
12 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 12:57 pm
gulfbeachbandit
The problem with chinese aircraft carriers is after they launch their planes, an hour later they need to launch planes again.
13 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 1:06 pm
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Now that is funny LOL Good Job Perfect...ghandi wrote:The problem with chinese aircraft carriers is after they launch their planes, an hour later they need to launch planes again.
14 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 1:12 pm
Slicef18
riceme wrote:johndough wrote:http://gcaptain.com/chinese-navy-receives-aircraft/
They can now take their fighters and bombers anywhere they want.
Scary:
"The carrier will enhance China’s warfighting and defense capabilities and “promote international peace and common development,” China’s Defense Ministry said in a statement on its website today." (emphasis mine)
Yikes.
"Promote international peace" my sweet ass.
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
15 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 1:38 pm
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Slicef18 wrote:
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
I agree that we cannot continue to the the international hall monitor by ourselves, but China wouldn't have been my first choice for a partner. You are much more forgiving than I am, Slice.
16 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 1:51 pm
TEOTWAWKI
Yeah i agreee...riceme wrote:Slicef18 wrote:
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
I agree that we cannot continue to the the international hall monitor by ourselves, but China wouldn't have been my first choice for a partner. You are much more forgiving than I am, Slice.
looks like the new world order will be MoGu gai Pan
17 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 2:00 pm
Slicef18
riceme wrote:Slicef18 wrote:
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
I agree that we cannot continue to the the international hall monitor by ourselves, but China wouldn't have been my first choice for a partner. You are much more forgiving than I am, Slice.
It's not about forgiveness. It's about which nation is best to take on that roll. Our relationship with Russia is too adversarial. No other nation has the capacity to assume such a roll.
18 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 2:19 pm
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Slicef18 wrote:
It's not about forgiveness. It's about which nation is best to take on that roll. Our relationship with Russia is too adversarial. No other nation has the capacity to assume such a roll.
Good points, and you're right. I guess it just makes me altogether too uncomfortable.
I have dealt with Chinese suppliers for many years, and cannot say that any of my experiences have been positive. The first and most important reason for that is that none of them were honest with me not only by withholding the truth, but by outright lying to me.
I try, but it's difficult for me to not generalize when for example, my dealings with Danes has never been anything but easy... They are honest, they build the best quality product I have ever imported, and they're very open.
Plus, Danish food is much better than Chinese
19 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 2:27 pm
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riceme wrote:Slicef18 wrote:
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
I agree that we cannot continue to the the international hall monitor by ourselves, but China wouldn't have been my first choice for a partner. You are much more forgiving than I am, Slice.
China is only going to do what is best for China, anything else is smoke and mirrors.
20 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 2:48 pm
Slicef18
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Yeah i agreee...riceme wrote:Slicef18 wrote:
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
I agree that we cannot continue to the the international hall monitor by ourselves, but China wouldn't have been my first choice for a partner. You are much more forgiving than I am, Slice.
looks like the new world order will be MoGu gai Pan
"MoGu gai Pan?"
I've often wondered how that was spelled. I learned something today. Thanks.
21 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 2:50 pm
TEOTWAWKI
Slicef18 wrote:TEOTWAWKI wrote:Yeah i agreee...riceme wrote:Slicef18 wrote:
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
I agree that we cannot continue to the the international hall monitor by ourselves, but China wouldn't have been my first choice for a partner. You are much more forgiving than I am, Slice.
looks like the new world order will be MoGu gai Pan
You know that's not right here let me google...I don't want you living in ignorance...... http://chinesefood.about.com/od/poultryreceo/r/moogoogaipan.htm
"MoGu gai Pan?"
I've often wondered how that was spelled. I learned something today. Thanks.
22 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 2:53 pm
Slicef18
nochain wrote:riceme wrote:Slicef18 wrote:
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
I agree that we cannot continue to the the international hall monitor by ourselves, but China wouldn't have been my first choice for a partner. You are much more forgiving than I am, Slice.
China is only going to do what is best for China, anything else is smoke and mirrors.
True, just as America is doing what's best for America.
Fact is a stable global economy is what's best for China and it's economy.
23 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/26/2012, 3:10 pm
TEOTWAWKI
Slicef18 wrote:nochain wrote:riceme wrote:Slicef18 wrote:
This has been in the works for years and with America's blessing. America's military leaders have for known years America cannot continue to be the international hall monitor alone. The long standing business relationship between China and America, plus China's strong financial position makes China an obvious partner in overseeing world disputes between nations. China today is nothing like the China of the past.
I agree that we cannot continue to the the international hall monitor by ourselves, but China wouldn't have been my first choice for a partner. You are much more forgiving than I am, Slice.
China is only going to do what is best for China, anything else is smoke and mirrors.
Actually America is doing what is best for the Global economy...that's why we have no manufacturing to amount to anything... The Government itself is doing what's best for the government and it's Siamese twins the corporations...The American people have been reduced to Guinea pigs and serfs.
True, just as America is doing what's best for America.
Fact is a stable global economy is what's best for China and it's economy.
24 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/27/2012, 12:57 am
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Slicef18 wrote:
Fact is a stable global economy is what's best for China and it's economy.
No. Providing a wage that allows their own factory workers to purchase the products that they make would be best for Chinia's economy and the world economy also.
Along with humane working conditions in their factories, establishment of child labor laws, mandatory education for their children, etc...
Wait!!!!!..... I think they were supposed to implement a lot of that when the free trade acts were signed. Now we're in the midst of this centuries Great Depression and will continue to be in it so long as the factories keep closing because not enough people are purchasing that factories product. Which is one of the reasons the last Great Depression happened. You can't sell something to the people that work for you if you don't pay them enough and those that did have a job here in the USA prior to the factory being moved to China or where ever probably can't afford to buy the product either if they still don't have a job.
Saw it coming when the free trade acts were signed. I spent quarter studying the Great Depression many years ago and have been interested in that time period ever since.
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25 Re: China gets their first aircraft carrier 9/27/2012, 1:36 am
TEOTWAWKI
Damaged Eagle wrote:Slicef18 wrote:
Fact is a stable global economy is what's best for China and it's economy.
No. Providing a wage that allows their own factory workers to purchase the products that they make would be best for Chinia's economy and the world economy also.
Along with humane working conditions in their factories, establishment of child labor laws, mandatory education for their children, etc...
Wait!!!!!..... I think they were supposed to implement a lot of that when the free trade acts were signed. Now we're in the midst of this centuries Great Depression and will continue to be in it so long as the factories keep closing because not enough people are purchasing that factories product. Which is one of the reasons the last Great Depression happened. You can't sell something to the people that work for you if you don't pay them enough and those that did have a job here in the USA prior to the factory being moved to China or where ever probably can't afford to buy the product either if they still don't have a job.
Saw it coming when the free trade acts were signed. I spent quarter studying the Great Depression many years ago and have been interested in that time period ever since.
*****SMILE*****
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQzUCO7rG0M
The age of enlightenment again ? Seems really like 3rd grade math huh ?
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