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Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash!

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Markle

Markle

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash!

SANDERS TO CHARITIES: DROP DEAD
POSTED ON APRIL 3, 2016 BY STEVEN HAYWARD

From a 1981 New York Times story, revealing Bernie Sanders as the full totalitarian he is underneath his “democratic” socialism:

For the kickoff of the 40th annual Chittenden County United Way fund-raising drive in Burlington, Vt., the sponsors considered themselves fortunate to have as guests Mayor Bernard Sanders of Burlington and Gov. Richard Snelling of Vermont. . .

”I don’t believe in charities,” said Mayor Sanders, bringing a shocked silence to a packed hotel banquet room. The Mayor, who is a Socialist, went on to question the ”fundamental concepts on which charities are based” and contended that government, rather than charity organizations, should take over responsibility for social programs.

There you have it. Given that so many charities are left-leaning, it is revealing to see how much Sanders hates competition of any kind.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/04/sanders-to-charities-drop-dead.php

That is NOT even Democrat Socialism, that is flat out Venezuela, Cuba Socialism.

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Guest

Charity doesn't grow govt and it's controls.

Guest


Guest

Nazis were Democratic Socialists.

Markle

Markle

What? wrote:Nazis were Democratic Socialists.

Adolph Hitler did not soften his position on Socialism with the word Democratic.

IF you're an enemy of Capitalism, how can you be any form of "soft" Socialism?

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! AdolphHitlerandSocialist_zps33c21341

Guest


Guest

The pretense of democracy is soon shed once power has been acquired. Just as fascism uses a pretense of capitalism.

"We have seen... that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of the ruling class,to establish democracy. The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest by degrees all capital from the bourgeoisie; to centralize all of instruments of production in the hands of the state." Marx

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


“Thus did a handful of rapacious citizens come to control all that was worth controlling in America. Thus was the savage and stupid and entirely inappropriate and unnecessary and humorless American class system created. Honest, industrious, peaceful citizens were classed as bloodsuckers, if they asked to be paid a living wage. And they saw that praise was reserved henceforth for those who devised means of getting paid enormously for committing crimes against which no laws had been passed. Thus the American dream turned belly up, turned green, bobbed to the scummy surface of cupidity unlimited, filled with gas, went bang in the noonday sun.”

― Kurt Vonnegut, God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater

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Guest

If the govt were limited in it's scope then the influences exerted would be limited too. It's only because there are no limits that it can be influenced to do the bidding of the powerful and special interests. The federal (central) govt was intended to be the fair arbiter... not the home to corrupted career politicians who's influence is bought and paid for. We will never have fair and honest representation by growing the govt larger and ceding it more and more control. The belief that we can is a conditioned response... that flies in the face of history and every example of totalitarianism and authoritarianism.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Oh, please, spare me the gibberish. It is a favorite meme of the GOP that Democrats want "big government" (without ever defining the term) and "free stuff". Not true, but when did righties ever tell the truth?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity? LOL

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Floridatexan wrote:
Oh, please, spare me the gibberish.  It is a favorite meme of the GOP that Democrats want "big government" (without ever defining the term) and "free stuff".  Not true, but when did righties ever tell the truth?


The "righties" think that Fascism, the right of the ultra wealthy to control government completely via corrupt campaign financing, is the Amerikan way.

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Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Oh, please, spare me the gibberish.  It is a favorite meme of the GOP that Democrats want "big government" (without ever defining the term) and "free stuff".  Not true, but when did righties ever tell the truth?


The "righties" think that Fascism, the right of the ultra wealthy to control government completely via corrupt campaign financing, is the Amerikan way.

Obama created the largest fascist govt program in the history of our country... a direct collusion of corps and govt.

From the writing of the thousands of pages of "law"... to the govt mandate/edict of forced participation.

And you were all for it. (without even knowing what was in it) Very useful of you.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
What? wrote:Nazis were Democratic Socialists.

Adolph Hitler did not soften his position on Socialism with the word Democratic.

IF you're an enemy of Capitalism, how can you be any form of "soft" Socialism?

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! AdolphHitlerandSocialist_zps33c21341

Evidently Mr. Hitler was just as much an opportunistic politician who would say whatever he figured might bring the result he wanted, as Madman Trump, or Jesus2 Cruz. LOL

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity? LOL

What does that even mean, "stand for charity"?

Your hero, Bernie Sanders (living hero, not Adolph Hitler) wants them taken over by the government. A policy with which you wholeheartedly agree.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity?   LOL

What does that even mean, "stand for charity"?

Your hero, Bernie Sanders (living hero, not Adolph Hitler) wants them taken over by the government.  A policy with which you wholeheartedly agree.

thank you for pointing out that simple and perfect truth: indeed, I can't think of a single worthy charity other than Red Cross, whose job couldn't be done better and more than likely cheaper by government. From Cancer and Stem-cell research, to food for hungry school kids, etc.

A review of where the money actually goes, for most major charities, apparently shows that very little actually ends up where it was supposed to -- most are so cut-up to hit salary loads of directors, it's a wonder any of the funds go where they were intended by those who donated. And then add in all the republican NGOs who try to pretend they are charities but are really political organizations. Reality.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity?   LOL

What does that even mean, "stand for charity"?

Your hero, Bernie Sanders (living hero, not Adolph Hitler) wants them taken over by the government.  A policy with which you wholeheartedly agree.

thank you for pointing out that simple and perfect truth:  indeed, I can't think of a single worthy charity other than Red Cross, whose job couldn't be done better and more than likely cheaper by government.  From Cancer and Stem-cell research, to food for hungry school kids, etc.  

A review of where the money actually goes, for most major charities, apparently shows that very little actually ends up where it was supposed to -- most are so cut-up to hit salary loads of directors, it's a wonder any of the funds go where they were intended by those who donated.  And then add in all the republican NGOs who try to pretend they are charities but are really political organizations.  Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! HystericallyLaughingmanandboy

Not surprised you would feel that way. You and your bud, Bernie, live in a fools paradise.

Name anything government does better than the private sector...other than writing checks.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity?   LOL

What does that even mean, "stand for charity"?

Your hero, Bernie Sanders (living hero, not Adolph Hitler) wants them taken over by the government.  A policy with which you wholeheartedly agree.

thank you for pointing out that simple and perfect truth:  indeed, I can't think of a single worthy charity other than Red Cross, whose job couldn't be done better and more than likely cheaper by government.  From Cancer and Stem-cell research, to food for hungry school kids, etc.  

A review of where the money actually goes, for most major charities, apparently shows that very little actually ends up where it was supposed to -- most are so cut-up to hit salary loads of directors, it's a wonder any of the funds go where they were intended by those who donated.  And then add in all the republican NGOs who try to pretend they are charities but are really political organizations.  Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! HystericallyLaughingmanandboy

Not surprised you would feel that way.  You and your bud, Bernie, live in a fools paradise.

Name anything government does better than the private sector...other than writing checks.


Builds bridges
Forecasts weather
Aircraft and flight safety
Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Marine Corps
Medical standards
Medical research regulation
automobile safety standards
Environmental Safety and protection

and the list goes on.

You fascists, on the other hand, like the real Hitler you emulate, you know, the one who murdered millions because of their races or religions, require a government totally controlled by corporate leaders, with the masses as slaves.

Fortunately, neither your hero Trump, or your foam-at-the-mouth crazy named Cruz, will ever get the chance to rule.

Reality.


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Guest

If it's not voluntary... it's force.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:If it's not voluntary... it's force.

Ahhhh ... the truth finally emerges! Pkrbum wants anarchy! But wait, I thought he was for corporate control of the government, you know, fascism. Which is it?

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Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:If it's not voluntary... it's force.

Ahhhh ... the truth finally emerges! Pkrbum wants anarchy! But wait, I thought he was for corporate control of the government, you know, fascism. Which is it?

Way off base. I've only ever called for limited govt. The litmus test for taxation is the constitutional test of general welfare... meaning a benefit to all. Like the roads, military (not a standing army), police, courts, trade, border security... etc.

I would call for true citizen legislators too. Two term limits on all elected representatives at each position level. If a person does well at a local level they may seek a higher level... if they do that well then maybe the federal level. No pensions... etc.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:If it's not voluntary... it's force.

Ahhhh ... the truth finally emerges!  Pkrbum wants anarchy!  But wait, I thought he was for corporate control of the government, you know, fascism.  Which is it?

Way off base. I've only ever called for limited govt. The litmus test for taxation is the constitutional test of general welfare... meaning a benefit to all. Like the roads, military (not a standing army), police, courts, trade, border security... etc.

I would call for true citizen legislators too. Two term limits on all elected representatives at each position level. If a person does well at a local level they may seek a higher level... if they do that well then maybe the federal level. No pensions... etc.

Damn ... now you're going all rational suddenly! How about we tack on public funding of all campaigns -- no private funding, public or corporate allowed? Let's just eliminate the influence of money on politics and call ourselves a true democracy!

I expect you'll respond with vigor. Tell us why we need big money to dominate our politics ... I'm all ears.

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Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:If it's not voluntary... it's force.

Ahhhh ... the truth finally emerges!  Pkrbum wants anarchy!  But wait, I thought he was for corporate control of the government, you know, fascism.  Which is it?

Way off base. I've only ever called for limited govt. The litmus test for taxation is the constitutional test of general welfare... meaning a benefit to all. Like the roads, military (not a standing army), police, courts, trade, border security... etc.

I would call for true citizen legislators too. Two term limits on all elected representatives at each position level. If a person does well at a local level they may seek a higher level... if they do that well then maybe the federal level. No pensions... etc.

Damn ... now you're going all rational suddenly! How about we tack on public funding of all campaigns -- no private funding, public or corporate allowed? Let's just eliminate the influence of money on politics and call ourselves a true democracy!

I expect you'll respond with vigor. Tell us why we need big money to dominate our politics ... I'm all ears.

I agree with limiting financing in some way. I don't agree that a group of private citizens... with legally enforced separation from the politicians... should be limited. They have every right to pool their money to promote and broadcast their positions.

It's free speech... and given the scale and vehicles required for a soap box these days... it's not cheap.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity?   LOL

What does that even mean, "stand for charity"?

Your hero, Bernie Sanders (living hero, not Adolph Hitler) wants them taken over by the government.  A policy with which you wholeheartedly agree.

thank you for pointing out that simple and perfect truth:  indeed, I can't think of a single worthy charity other than Red Cross, whose job couldn't be done better and more than likely cheaper by government.  From Cancer and Stem-cell research, to food for hungry school kids, etc.  

A review of where the money actually goes, for most major charities, apparently shows that very little actually ends up where it was supposed to -- most are so cut-up to hit salary loads of directors, it's a wonder any of the funds go where they were intended by those who donated.  And then add in all the republican NGOs who try to pretend they are charities but are really political organizations.  Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! HystericallyLaughingmanandboy

Not surprised you would feel that way.  You and your bud, Bernie, live in a fools paradise.

Name anything government does better than the private sector...other than writing checks.

Builds bridges
Forecasts weather
Aircraft and flight safety
Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Marine Corps
Medical standards
Medical research regulation
automobile safety standards
Environmental Safety and protection

and the list goes on.

You fascists, on the other hand, like the real Hitler you emulate, you know, the one who murdered millions because of their races or religions, require a government totally controlled by corporate leaders, with the masses as slaves.

Fortunately, neither your hero Trump, or your foam-at-the-mouth crazy named Cruz, will ever get the chance to rule.

Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! LOL_zpsrc5py0ql

Bridges and highways are contracted out to PRIVATE COMPANIES.

Forecasts Weather...No, again private weather sources are all over the country. If it was Federal, how'd they do with Hurricane Sandy?

Aircraft and flight safety, Could all be handled much more efficiently and less expensive with private enterprise beeing overseen by government.

Military...you can't be serious! Incredible WASTE and fraud. Yes, in spite of all that, they are the most efficient fighting machine ever seen. But efficiently run. NO!

What does the Federal Government do with regard to "medical standards"?

Medical Research Regulations...It takes 10+ years to get a new drug approved for use. THAT'S EFFICIENT?

Automobile safety standards. All would have come about through competition without making a new car cost prohibitive for many people.

The EPA, by increasing the CAFE standards, more people are killed and injured. The California minnows have, WRONGLY crushed farmers in Californa, the breadbasket of the world.

None of your examples could NOT be done better and more efficiently by private industry.

You believe big industry is BAD but massive, dominating, dictating government, with no restrictions is about the best thing since apple pie.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity?   LOL

What does that even mean, "stand for charity"?

Your hero, Bernie Sanders (living hero, not Adolph Hitler) wants them taken over by the government.  A policy with which you wholeheartedly agree.

thank you for pointing out that simple and perfect truth:  indeed, I can't think of a single worthy charity other than Red Cross, whose job couldn't be done better and more than likely cheaper by government.  From Cancer and Stem-cell research, to food for hungry school kids, etc.  

A review of where the money actually goes, for most major charities, apparently shows that very little actually ends up where it was supposed to -- most are so cut-up to hit salary loads of directors, it's a wonder any of the funds go where they were intended by those who donated.  And then add in all the republican NGOs who try to pretend they are charities but are really political organizations.  Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! HystericallyLaughingmanandboy

Not surprised you would feel that way.  You and your bud, Bernie, live in a fools paradise.

Name anything government does better than the private sector...other than writing checks.

Builds bridges
Forecasts weather
Aircraft and flight safety
Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Marine Corps
Medical standards
Medical research regulation
automobile safety standards
Environmental Safety and protection

and the list goes on.

You fascists, on the other hand, like the real Hitler you emulate, you know, the one who murdered millions because of their races or religions, require a government totally controlled by corporate leaders, with the masses as slaves.

Fortunately, neither your hero Trump, or your foam-at-the-mouth crazy named Cruz, will ever get the chance to rule.

Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! LOL_zpsrc5py0ql

Bridges and highways are contracted out to PRIVATE COMPANIES.

Forecasts Weather...No, again private weather sources are all over the country.  If it was Federal, how'd they do with Hurricane Sandy?

Aircraft and flight safety, Could all be handled much more efficiently and less expensive with private enterprise beeing overseen by government.

Military...you can't be serious!  Incredible WASTE and fraud.  Yes, in spite of all that, they are the most efficient fighting machine ever seen.  But efficiently run.  NO!

What does the Federal Government do with regard to "medical standards"?  

Medical Research Regulations...It takes 10+ years to get a new drug approved for use.  THAT'S EFFICIENT?

Automobile safety standards.  All would have come about through competition without making a new car cost prohibitive for many people.

The EPA, by increasing the CAFE standards, more people are killed and injured.  The California minnows have, WRONGLY crushed farmers in Californa, the breadbasket of the world.  

None of your examples could NOT be done better and more efficiently by private industry.

You believe big industry is BAD but massive, dominating, dictating government, with no restrictions is about the best thing since apple pie.

I have plenty of reasons to trust big government, and absolutely NONE to trust big business.
Zip. Nada. Zero.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity?   LOL

What does that even mean, "stand for charity"?

Your hero, Bernie Sanders (living hero, not Adolph Hitler) wants them taken over by the government.  A policy with which you wholeheartedly agree.

thank you for pointing out that simple and perfect truth:  indeed, I can't think of a single worthy charity other than Red Cross, whose job couldn't be done better and more than likely cheaper by government.  From Cancer and Stem-cell research, to food for hungry school kids, etc.  

A review of where the money actually goes, for most major charities, apparently shows that very little actually ends up where it was supposed to -- most are so cut-up to hit salary loads of directors, it's a wonder any of the funds go where they were intended by those who donated.  And then add in all the republican NGOs who try to pretend they are charities but are really political organizations.  Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! HystericallyLaughingmanandboy

Not surprised you would feel that way.  You and your bud, Bernie, live in a fools paradise.

Name anything government does better than the private sector...other than writing checks.

Builds bridges
Forecasts weather
Aircraft and flight safety
Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Marine Corps
Medical standards
Medical research regulation
automobile safety standards
Environmental Safety and protection

and the list goes on.

You fascists, on the other hand, like the real Hitler you emulate, you know, the one who murdered millions because of their races or religions, require a government totally controlled by corporate leaders, with the masses as slaves.

Fortunately, neither your hero Trump, or your foam-at-the-mouth crazy named Cruz, will ever get the chance to rule.

Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! LOL_zpsrc5py0ql

Bridges and highways are contracted out to PRIVATE COMPANIES.

Forecasts Weather...No, again private weather sources are all over the country.  If it was Federal, how'd they do with Hurricane Sandy?

Aircraft and flight safety, Could all be handled much more efficiently and less expensive with private enterprise beeing overseen by government.

Military...you can't be serious!  Incredible WASTE and fraud.  Yes, in spite of all that, they are the most efficient fighting machine ever seen.  But efficiently run.  NO!

What does the Federal Government do with regard to "medical standards"?  

Medical Research Regulations...It takes 10+ years to get a new drug approved for use.  THAT'S EFFICIENT?

Automobile safety standards.  All would have come about through competition without making a new car cost prohibitive for many people.

The EPA, by increasing the CAFE standards, more people are killed and injured.  The California minnows have, WRONGLY crushed farmers in Californa, the breadbasket of the world.  

None of your examples could NOT be done better and more efficiently by private industry.

You believe big industry is BAD but massive, dominating, dictating government, with no restrictions is about the best thing since apple pie.

I have plenty of reasons to trust big government, and absolutely NONE to trust big business.  
Zip.  Nada.  Zero.  

That's what these folks said too! You're right in goose step!

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! Government

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:And we're supposed to believe Ted Cruz and Donald Trump stand for charity?   LOL

What does that even mean, "stand for charity"?

Your hero, Bernie Sanders (living hero, not Adolph Hitler) wants them taken over by the government.  A policy with which you wholeheartedly agree.

thank you for pointing out that simple and perfect truth:  indeed, I can't think of a single worthy charity other than Red Cross, whose job couldn't be done better and more than likely cheaper by government.  From Cancer and Stem-cell research, to food for hungry school kids, etc.  

A review of where the money actually goes, for most major charities, apparently shows that very little actually ends up where it was supposed to -- most are so cut-up to hit salary loads of directors, it's a wonder any of the funds go where they were intended by those who donated.  And then add in all the republican NGOs who try to pretend they are charities but are really political organizations.  Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! HystericallyLaughingmanandboy

Not surprised you would feel that way.  You and your bud, Bernie, live in a fools paradise.

Name anything government does better than the private sector...other than writing checks.

Builds bridges
Forecasts weather
Aircraft and flight safety
Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, Marine Corps
Medical standards
Medical research regulation
automobile safety standards
Environmental Safety and protection

and the list goes on.

You fascists, on the other hand, like the real Hitler you emulate, you know, the one who murdered millions because of their races or religions, require a government totally controlled by corporate leaders, with the masses as slaves.

Fortunately, neither your hero Trump, or your foam-at-the-mouth crazy named Cruz, will ever get the chance to rule.

Reality.

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! LOL_zpsrc5py0ql

Bridges and highways are contracted out to PRIVATE COMPANIES.

Forecasts Weather...No, again private weather sources are all over the country.  If it was Federal, how'd they do with Hurricane Sandy?

Aircraft and flight safety, Could all be handled much more efficiently and less expensive with private enterprise beeing overseen by government.

Military...you can't be serious!  Incredible WASTE and fraud.  Yes, in spite of all that, they are the most efficient fighting machine ever seen.  But efficiently run.  NO!

What does the Federal Government do with regard to "medical standards"?  

Medical Research Regulations...It takes 10+ years to get a new drug approved for use.  THAT'S EFFICIENT?

Automobile safety standards.  All would have come about through competition without making a new car cost prohibitive for many people.

The EPA, by increasing the CAFE standards, more people are killed and injured.  The California minnows have, WRONGLY crushed farmers in Californa, the breadbasket of the world.  

None of your examples could NOT be done better and more efficiently by private industry.

You believe big industry is BAD but massive, dominating, dictating government, with no restrictions is about the best thing since apple pie.

I have plenty of reasons to trust big government, and absolutely NONE to trust big business.  
Zip.  Nada.  Zero.  

That's what these folks said too!  You're right in goose step!

Crushing the notion that Bernie Sanders is a "Democrat Socialist. Balderdash! Government


Wanting free healthcare, free college education, an economy that isn't rigged so that only the ultra wealthy are successful, a country that tries to ignore war as much as possible rather than instigating them all the time, and a country free from religious crapola or rule, a country where the government isn't controlled by big business ... that's what I want. Nobody wants the fascism your team is selling !!!

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