Debate

Vikingwoman wrote:No one has commented on Carson's plan for healthcare? Savings accounts from birth? What happens when your newborn needs lifesaving surgery and there is no money in the account? Would your 4 yr old have $50,000 in savings if he needed surgery? How many would give that kind of money to other people from their account wondering if they may need it down the road and then have squat? Carson shouldn't be even standing on that stage.

RealLindaL wrote:

Vikingwoman wrote:No one has commented on Carson's plan for healthcare? Savings accounts from birth? What happens when your newborn needs lifesaving surgery and there is no money in the account? Would your 4 yr old have $50,000 in savings if he needed surgery? How many would give that kind of money to other people from their account wondering if they may need it down the road and then have squat? Carson shouldn't be even standing on that stage.

VW, you're right that Carson's health care plan made absolutely no sense, which really flabbergasted me coming from a person in the medical field, though after thinking about it I suppose surgeons are basically insulated from such mundane daily health issues as cost and how to pay.  

As for me, I haven't commented on his plan because I figure it's pretty much a waste of my time, since Carson is done, has been for some time now, and it's past time for him to admit it and bow out.  I have NO idea why he's still in the race.  

I swear this forum is addictive.  I am OFF TO BED for sure this time!!   __LL

ppaca wrote:This is the way I look at it.

Trump and Bernie supporters (even though Bernie is a senator) are fed up with the Washington establishment and wish to get rid of them. I can see, if Bernie looses the nomination (looks like he will) that Bernie supporter's just may go over to Trump if he wins the nomination. I won't go over to Trump and have to decide if I want to leave the president blank, write someone in or vote for Hillary. No way in hell I would ever vote for Rubio or Cruz.

2seaoat wrote:South Korea and Japan are critical areas of American interest.  If Japan and South Korea are in danger of attack, a preemptive attack is not only called for and necessary, but essential.  I would like to see our troops removed from South Korea and Germany, but until that happens......we have close to 40k Americans at the mercy of a looney tune, and if we have credible information of attack, we cannot wait to respond.  It is essential to neutralize their command and control.   I do not want war.   I detest the same, but without a preemptive attack we could in fact face a protracted war with North Korea.  What John Kasich said is NOT original thought but long established policy of America.

PkrBum wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:

knothead wrote:
RL, I agree with most if not all of your points regarding "The Donald" being narcissistic, phony, braggadocio, etc., etc., . . . . it all is true and few would disagree.  I am enjoying watching this man dismantle the greatest political machine ever created and that is the ideology embraced by both Cruz and Rubio . . . . the religion of conservatism.  It is preached 24/7 on AM radio by a multitude of talking head, e.g., Limbaugh, Beck, etc., etc., . . . . . while I recognize their right to espouse their views I completely disagree with virtually all their platform points.  So yes I am enjoying this skewering of these people and their collective views and if they end up with "The Donald" they will own it in every way and although I support the Democratic Party generally our next President will appoint potentially 3 if not 4 new justices to the SCOTUS.  Bottom line I hope Trump wins and faces HRC in the national face off and I am hopeful she prevails . . . . warts and all . . . . it is the long view driving my ultimate desire to take down the radical right wing machine. It would be a repudiation of the radicalism that has taken the Republican Party hostage and that will be very gratifying I concede.  

Thank you for your thoughtful comments as usual, Knot.   And I'm 100% behind you in your "desire to take down the radical right wing machine."  I agree it would be most gratifying indeed, and that that "machine" has been the ruination of the Republican Party as well as a major factor in the hate-filled divisiveness now infecting our nation.   The thing is, I guess I don't see much difference between Trump and the other two, Cruz and Rubio, when it comes to right wing ideology, the main differences being that Trump is a late comer to the party, so to speak, and that his "ideology" is likely mostly one of convenience (though that doesn't make him very much less scary to me).

Bottom line is, though he mouths some supposed conservative "values,"  I don't see Trump as particularly committed to much of anything except winning and self-glorification.  So are you saying that's why he'd be more easily beaten by HRC in the general than the other two would, or what? Otherwise, I'm not sure why you particularly hope Trump wins the nomination vs. the other two.   But then I've very likely missed or misconstrued something, Knot, so feel free to enlighten me (please).    

I only wish there were a fine, upstanding and inspiring statesman on the Republican candidates' stage such that, if for some reason we ended up with a Democratic loss in the general, we could still be reasonably proud of and hopeful for the success of our new POTUS.

BBL,    LL

All while the dnc riggs the democratic nomination process with super delegates (wealthy ruling elite establishment) fully in the tank for hillary. Poor uncle bernie has ZERO chance... and his populist constituents appear clueless.

Also no one seems to care about hillary's speeches to wall st, bankers, or foreign interests... for millions. Wouldn't y'all want to know what she says behind the scenes? I think it would be interesting to compare to her campaign promises.

Y'all go on gnashing teeth over the republicans... but stay away from 3 card monte games. Carry on comrades... lol.

RealLindaL wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I really liked Linda's analysis, too (great job, Linda).

I think if Trump were elected as U.S. president, he would be our Vladmir Putin.

You flatter me, Z-man, but thank you.

Hmm....Trump as a Putin, eh?   Interesting thought, and maybe closer to the truth than the Hitler analogy so casually tossed around lately.

2seaoat wrote: The Pentagon has had plans on the book for fifty years for a preemptive strike.

Vikingwoman wrote:It is about mistakes. We go and attack North Korea and we will have a war. We shouldn't attack any country first.

PkrBum wrote:

All while the dnc riggs the democratic nomination process with super delegates (wealthy ruling elite establishment) fully in the tank for hillary. Poor uncle bernie has ZERO chance... and his populist constituents appear clueless.

RealLindaL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Also no one seems to care about hillary's speeches to wall st, bankers, or foreign interests... for millions. Wouldn't y'all want to know what she says behind the scenes? I think it would be interesting to compare to her campaign promises.

Y'all go on gnashing teeth over the republicans... but stay away from 3 card monte games. Carry on comrades... lol.

I think Hillary successfully put the push for her speech transcripts to bed when she took the position (I believe it was during the Democratic town hall the other night) that she'd provide them for her speeches if all other candidates on both sides would do the same.  Paraphrasing:  "Why," she asked, "should there  be a separate standard just for me?"  

Exactly so.

As for "gnashing teeth over the Republicans," PB, I would hope all Americans would be doing a lot of gnashing after watching the spectacle of Trump and Rubio on the campaign trail following this last debate.   I mean, with Rubio talking about Trump's possibly checking in the mirror to see if his pants were wet, and Trump childishly tossing water around and other shenanigans, it was positively sickening.   These men have totally lost any dignity they may have once possessed.  

As Anderson Cooper remarked tonight (paraphrasing):  "And this is the election for the president of our country."   Come on, everyone!  Surely we can agree the behavior of these individuals today was positively appalling!   I'm beyond mortified for our nation in the eyes of both ourselves and the rest of the world.

RealLindaL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Also no one seems to care about hillary's speeches to wall st, bankers, or foreign interests... for millions. Wouldn't y'all want to know what she says behind the scenes? I think it would be interesting to compare to her campaign promises.

Y'all go on gnashing teeth over the republicans... but stay away from 3 card monte games. Carry on comrades... lol.

I think Hillary successfully put the push for her speech transcripts to bed when she took the position (I believe it was during the Democratic town hall the other night) that she'd provide them for her speeches if all other candidates on both sides would do the same.  Paraphrasing:  "Why," she asked, "should there  be a separate standard just for me?"  

Exactly so.

As for "gnashing teeth over the Republicans," PB, I would hope all Americans would be doing a lot of gnashing after watching the spectacle of Trump and Rubio on the campaign trail following this last debate.   I mean, with Rubio talking about Trump's possibly checking in the mirror to see if his pants were wet, and Trump childishly tossing water around and other shenanigans, it was positively sickening.   These men have totally lost any dignity they may have once possessed.  

As Anderson Cooper remarked tonight (paraphrasing):  "And this is the election for the president of our country."   Come on, everyone!  Surely we can agree the behavior of these individuals today was positively appalling!   I'm beyond mortified for our nation in the eyes of both ourselves and the rest of the world.

knothead wrote:RealLinda said: So are you saying that's why he'd be more easily beaten by HRC in the general than the other two would, or what?

You nailed it . . . . bottom line for me is get the weakest candidate to run against our strongest . . . . and the imploding of the GOP has catapulted the weakest of the lot (or it seems) . . . . . remember my long view, it is imperative to win this election because of two very significant things: 1) appointees to the SCOTUS, and 2) allowing the GOP all three branches of government.  Sorry haven't responded sooner but been busy . . . .