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Ohioans vote to end district gerrymandering. Republicans no longer able to draw impenetrable districts.

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http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/11/overwhelming_passage_of_issue.html#incart_river


Now if the rest of the country could do the same we could finally end the days of manufactured, government-shutdown crisis.

This is a great day for Americans. Terrible day for republicans.


COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohioans on Tuesday approved an amendment to the state constitution that both Republicans and Democrats say will lead to a fairer process for drawing state legislative districts.

By an overwhelming margin, voters approved the measure. With nearly 92 percent of the vote counted, the issue was passing 72 percent to 28 percent. The yes votes outnumbered the no votes by nearly 1.2 million.

"This is an amendment that does renew faith in the democratic process," said Catherine Turcer of Common Cause Ohio. Common Cause and the League of Women Voters helped organize the Fair Districts = Fair Elections Coalition to back the issue.

"For so long, these state legislative districts have been drawn to favor one party over the other," Turcer said. The amendment clears the way for changes that will bolster credibility of the election process, she said.

"Ohio voters sent a clear message today," said Carrie Davis, executive director of the League of Women Voters of Ohio. "They want districts to be fair and the winners to be determined by the voters."

Voters bought into the issue, in part, because of the teamwork that went into getting it on the ballot, said Matt Huffman, a former Republican representative from Lima. "That's how you pass one of these issues."

Huffman co-chaired the Fair Districts for Ohio campaign with former Democratic Rep. Vernon Sykes of Akron.

Passage of Issue 1 means that the process for redrawing boundaries for General Assembly districts will change, from the makeup of the board that draws those lines to the level of transparency that will be required.

The state redraws the boundaries for Ohio House and Senate districts and for the U.S. House of Representatives every 10 years -- the next time will be in 2021, following the 2020 census.The legislature is in charge of drawing the map for congressional districts. Issue 1 does not change that process.

What it does change is the makeup of the apportionment board, which draws the map for state districts. Many view the current system as giving one party too much control to tailor the districts to its advantage.

The apportionment board -- made up of the governor; secretary of state; auditor; and two legislators, one from each party -- will be expanded to include four legislators, two from each party.

That change ensures there will be at least two members from the minority party on the new seven-member board. There was only one Democrat on the five-member board that drew the current districts in 2011.

Support from two members of the minority party is required to approve a map for the full decade. A map still can be approved by a majority vote, but without the two votes from the minority party, the whole process will have to be redone four years later.

By then, term limits and subsequent elections likely will have pushed some apportionment board members out of office.

The whole process will be on display for Ohioans, too. Under the current system, much of the apportionment board's work was done behind closed doors.

Issue 1 requires the board to hold at least three public meetings around Ohio that also will be streamed for online viewing. The public will be allowed to comment on a proposed map, and the board will have to issue an explanation for its final map.

Districts must be compact, and the commission must work from large to small counties, keeping counties, towns and townships in the same districts if possible. If the commission must split a county, municipal corporation or township between districts, it must explain its actions in a statement accompanying the map.

Issue 1 had bipartisan support in the Ohio House and Senate when it was put on the ballot, and little opposition in the runup to the election.
Huffman and Sykes co-sponsored the House joint resolution that became Issue 1.

In addition, Common Cause Ohio, the League of Women Voters and others formed the Fair Districts = Fair Elections Coalition to do grassroots work on the issue.
More than 100 organizations spanning the political spectrum backed the issue, from the ACLU of Ohio to the Ohio Chamber of Commerce.

The amendment, Turcer said, should be viewed as a legacy for Huffman, Sykes and former House Speaker William Batchelder, a Medina Republican. All three supported reforming the process, Turcer said, and continued to back the effort even after they were forced from office by term limits.


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What's the payoff for you progressives ?...More socialism until the country is a dead husk ? Where do you think prosperity comes from? a printing press ? Republicans pose very little resistance to the Democratic mafia....Boner did almost nothing to hold back the Dem's agenda....and our debt has doubled...isn't the country dying fast enough to suit you ?

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More BoFshit, dude apparently didn't even read the article, just made more assumptions. This was a bi-partisan effort presented by a Repub and a Dem.

You hyper-partisan fools are so pitiful.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:What's the payoff for you progressives ?...More socialism until the country is a dead husk ?  Where do you think prosperity comes from? a printing press ? Republicans pose very little resistance to the Democratic mafia....Boner did almost nothing to hold back the Dem's agenda....and our debt has doubled...isn't the country dying fast enough to suit you ?


The payoff isn't for progressives, it is for humanity. While this current measure taken in Ohio will be a step in the right direction, it still isn't even close to being enough. One party will still be able to redraw districts to their favor. One party will still be able to essentially render the votes of many Ohioans useless. The elective officials in Ohio will continue to not be representative of the Ohio population due to gerrymandering, but at least more transparency has been brought to the process and at least they cannot lock these unfair districts in for a decade as they can now.

TEO, can you give me any rational argument that would favor the gerrymandering of districts with the purpose being to make one party impenetrable?


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I'll answer your question when you explain this rather broad statement in some detail....

The payoff isn't for progressives, it is for humanity. How?

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gatorfan wrote:More BoFshit, dude apparently didn't even read the article, just made more assumptions. This was a bi-partisan effort presented by a Repub and a Dem.

You hyper-partisan fools are so pitiful.



I read the article.  My comments spoke to the fact that republicans won the house due to district gerrymandering.  They lost the popular vote that year but still "shellacked" democrats solely due to the manipulation of house districts.  This is an objective fact.

As that relates to this story in Ohio, republicans redrew those districts as well.  The article clearly states that when house districts were redrawn in 2011, there was only one democratic member on the five member panel.  Connect that dot with the fact that the dem/repub makeup of the Senate representatives - which vote statewide - is 50/50 though republicans dominate when drawn districts are involved (republicans hold 12 out of 16 House seats).

Have you any response there?

Gerrymandering is currently the chief republican strategy for winning elections.  It's basically that and voter suppression.  And Ohioans - by a vast vast margin - just rejected that strategy.


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TEOTWAWKI wrote:I'll answer your question when you explain this rather broad statement in some detail....

The payoff isn't for progressives, it is for humanity. How?


Because Ohioans have taken steps to take back their election process. They have moved in the direction of elections that will produce results that are more representative of the will of the voters as opposed to partisan manipulation of voting districts. They have moved towards a world in which politicians will have to compete by proposing good policy ideas rather than backroom manipulation.

That is good for humanity. Good for Americans. Terrible for republicans.


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boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I'll answer your question when you explain this rather broad statement in some detail....

The payoff isn't for progressives, it is for humanity. How?


Because Ohioans have taken steps to take back their election process.  They have moved in the direction of elections that will produce results that are more representative of the will of the voters as opposed to partisan manipulation of voting districts.  They have moved towards a world in which politicians will have to compete by proposing good policy ideas rather than backroom manipulation.

That is good for humanity.  Good for Americans.  Terrible for republicans.

Still vague...are you saying the whole world will be a better place if the USA is a socialist single party country ?

TEOTWAWKI

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Which one of these countries should we strive to imitate ?

http://www.ranker.com/list/countries-ruled-by-single-party-state/reference

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I'll answer your question when you explain this rather broad statement in some detail....

The payoff isn't for progressives, it is for humanity. How?


Because Ohioans have taken steps to take back their election process.  They have moved in the direction of elections that will produce results that are more representative of the will of the voters as opposed to partisan manipulation of voting districts.  They have moved towards a world in which politicians will have to compete by proposing good policy ideas rather than backroom manipulation.

That is good for humanity.  Good for Americans.  Terrible for republicans.

Still vague...are you saying the whole world will be a better place if the USA is a socialist single party country ?


No. America is one of the most powerful nations on the planet; however, our election process with respect to the House is broken. House districts have been so grossly manipulated by republicans that we have an extreme, right-wing house that is in no way representative of the American population, but still nevertheless controls a significant portion of our legislative process. When we take steps to correct that problem, we improve our election process, we improve our representation in the house, and therefore by extension we should improve the world.


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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Which one of these countries should we strive to imitate ?

http://www.ranker.com/list/countries-ruled-by-single-party-state/reference



None.  We shouldn't be ruled by a single party.  That is precisely why we need to reform the process of drawing House districts.  Republicans have drawn districts such that they can lose the popular vote and yet still win elections in landslides.  

I can't tell if you're really this stupid of if you're trolling for attention.  House district gerrymandering leads to one party controlling elections and, ultimately, representation.   This new policy counters that and makes it such that the election process favors no single party.

If you don't like the idea of one party controlling everything, then you should celebrate this vote in Ohio.


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'I can't tell if you're really that stupid of if you're trolling for attention."  ???

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:'I can't tell if you're really that stupid of if you're trolling for attention."  ???




It appears that the former is the case.



Can anyone else make any rational argument in favor of district gerrymandering?


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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article38398038.html

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"Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis on Friday gave tentative approval to a new congressional redistricting map that has the potential to unseat at least three incumbent congressional candidates and opens the doors for others to enter the fray.

Lewis rejected the Florida Legislature’s third attempt at redrawing its congressional districts and recommended a map proposed by the challengers to the Florida Supreme Court for its final review. His ruling adopted the bulk of the map approved by lawmakers in the northern and central portions of the state but specifically rejected the proposed boundaries for District 26 in Miami-Dade County, now held by Republican Congressman Carlos Curbelo.

ORDER RECOMMENDING ADOPTION OF REMEDIAL MAP.PDF

The challengers, a coalition of League of Women Voters and Common Cause of Florida and a group of Democrat-leaning individuals, agreed with the Legislature’s configuration of 20 of the 27 districts proposed in a staff-drawn base map but asked the court to adopt their changes to the remaining districts. Lewis agreed.

“The Legislature has thus not met its burden of justifying the proposed versions of Districts 20 through 27,” he wrote in a 19-page ruling. He said that a map drawn by the challengers showed no evidence of being drawn with partisan intent and “best complies with the directions” set out by the Florida Supreme Court in July.

“I therefore recommend its adoption,” he said.

The recommendation will next go to the Florida Supreme Court, which must review the maps, including the court testimony and record, and decide what will be the final boundaries for the 2016 election cycle. On Friday, the court gave the parties until Oct. 27 to respond to Lewis’ ruling.

Lawmakers were handed an unprecedented set of directives in July when the Florida Supreme Court ruled that the congressional boundaries used in the 2012 and 2014 elections were invalid because lawmakers had allowed improper interference by political operatives and created congressional districts that illegally favored incumbents and political parties. The court gave them specific guidelines for redrawing eight districts and ordered Lewis to review their work and make a recommendation by Oct. 17.

When lawmakers tried and failed to resolve their differences in an August special session, the court threw it back to Lewis, who had been supervising the case that has cost taxpayers more than $8 million over the last 3 1/2 years. He conducted a three-day hearing..."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article38398038.html#storylink=cpy

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