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For all our conservative knuckle draggers who don't know what democratic socialism is.

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TEOTWAWKI
Wordslinger
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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Take a careful look again at the description and direct quotes I listed above. Now tell me you truly wish that for us.


It beats hell out of a system where 1% controls more than 50% now, and intends to control everything.  What's strange, is that the system as it stands right now victimizes you as much as everyone else -- yet you can't wait to put your flabby body on the front line in their defense.  ...

First... I'm not and have never been flabby... not even close. Second... please take a few minutes to really read the post.

I can't imagine that is what you truly believe and would support. Be honest.

From your definition: "
For example,Peter Hain classifies democratic socialism,along with libertarian socialism,as a form of anti-authoritarian "socialism from below" (using the term popularised by Hal Draper),in contrast to Stalinism and social democracy,variants of authoritarian state socialism. For Hain,this democratic/authoritarian divide is more important than the revolutionary/reformist divide. [8] In this type of democratic socialism,it is the active participation of the population as a whole,and workers in particular,in the management of economy that characterises democratic socialism,while nationalisation and economic planning (whether controlled by an elected government or not) are characteristic of state socialism. A similar,but more complex,argument is made by Nicos Poulantzas. [9]

Sounds fine to me!! If America would become as happy, peaceful, and productive as Sweden, Norway or Denmark, I'd truly be delighted. The type of capitalism that is now destroying life here, sucks.  

Guest


Guest

Your ideology completely ignores human nature. Humans require challenges... they respond to obstacles... there is great satisfaction and gratification in hard work and reaching goals. Even failure under fair terms is important to human psyche.

What you see in comparable (not tiny rich) nations under collectivist authoritarian rule with State/public ownership is a depressed downtrodden human condition. Initiative and productivity decline. State abuse increases... choices are limited.

What you skimmed over above are the ultimate intents... the end games... history. The name isn't even new or fresh.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Your ideology completely ignores human nature. Humans require challenges... they respond to obstacles... there is great satisfaction and gratification in hard work and reaching goals. Even failure under fair terms is important to human psyche.

What you see in comparable (not tiny rich) nations under collectivist authoritarian rule with State/public ownership is a depressed downtrodden human condition. Initiative and productivity decline. State abuse increases... choices are limited.

What you skimmed over above are the ultimate intents... the end games... history. The name isn't even new or fresh.

Your pejorative claims about the state of life in Skandinavia is totally wrong and uninformed. Those folks are happy and productive with their lives. Look if you're happy with the disastrously tilted and unfair capitalist gone mad system we have here, start looking for somewhere else to live. Most of us, including middle-class and poor conservatives are going to change the system with our votes -- whether it's for Trump or Bernie. You want to run off with your icon corporate bloodsuckers, in hopes they'll give you a handout, be my guest.

Guest


Guest

(not tiny rich) Collectivism can work to some limited degree... like a small commune/nation where people choose to sacrifice.

You must know that given your wishes for this country that you would confiscate from and enslave the unwilling. In a country founded on individual rights and protections... that is astounding. Power corrupts and your evil ideas deserve none.

There are plenty of countries that practice your failed vision... and few that allow our freedoms. You should go comrade.

2seaoat



So returning the tax rate to 1985 levels would break the human spirit in this country and doom us in the trash heap of history......your hysteria and lack of understanding of political nomenclature is epic on this forum.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:So returning the tax rate to 1985 levels would break the human spirit in this country and doom us in the trash heap of history......your hysteria and lack of understanding of political nomenclature is epic on this forum.

That not even close to what I said and not the topic. Why do you do that?

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Well, government itself is a form of "socialism" ... think fire departments, police departments, a national military, etc.   Health insurance even is a form of private sector "socialism"

But really, I don't think the philosophical argument between those on the left & those on the right is so much about "socialism," per se, as it is about the role/scope of government ... and the Federal government in particular.

For many leftists .... government action is generally considered the first/best solution that comes to mind whatever societal problem there might be that needs to be addressed, and if that includes socialistic government programs, so be it.  And if they are Federal programs ... all the better.

For those on the right .....  government programs are considered more of a last resort when/where non-governmental solutions are just impracticable.

But then, neither side is 100% true to their supposed philosophical leanings where the rubber meets the road.



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2seaoat



That not even close to what I said and not the topic. Why do you do that?


It is exactly on topic. If you took the time to listen to Bernie Sanders his radical ideas center around returning tax rates to what they were......socialism, or fricking common sense and an understanding what governing requires.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:That not even close to what I said and not the topic. Why do you do that?


It is exactly on topic. If you took the time to listen to Bernie Sanders his radical ideas center around returning tax rates to what they were......socialism, or fricking common sense and an understanding what governing requires.

Wrong... the topic is the ideology democratic socialism. Why don't you take a little nap and try again after dinner.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:(not tiny rich) Collectivism can work to some limited degree... like a small commune/nation where people choose to sacrifice.

You must know that given your wishes for this country that you would confiscate from and enslave the unwilling. In a country founded on individual rights and protections... that is astounding. Power corrupts and your evil ideas deserve none.

There are plenty of countries that practice your failed vision... and few that allow our freedoms. You should go comrade.

Take Sweden for an example. Can you name a single freedom we have that they don't? I thought not.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:(not tiny rich) Collectivism can work to some limited degree... like a small commune/nation where people choose to sacrifice.

You must know that given your wishes for this country that you would confiscate from and enslave the unwilling. In a country founded on individual rights and protections... that is astounding. Power corrupts and your evil ideas deserve none.

There are plenty of countries that practice your failed vision... and few that allow our freedoms. You should go comrade.

Take Sweden for an example.  Can you name a single freedom we have that they don't?  I thought not.

The country is smaller than TEN of our States.  In fact, the City of New York's population is only slightly smaller than the country of Sweden.

The most important freedom we have that Sweden does not, nor do the other Scandinavian countries, is the ability to move up the "class" ladder.  Their taxes are so high that it is virtually impossible to improve ones status.

My socialist/communist good friend Wordslinger demands:

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:(not tiny rich) Collectivism can work to some limited degree... like a small commune/nation where people choose to sacrifice.

You must know that given your wishes for this country that you would confiscate from and enslave the unwilling. In a country founded on individual rights and protections... that is astounding. Power corrupts and your evil ideas deserve none.

There are plenty of countries that practice your failed vision... and few that allow our freedoms. You should go comrade.

Take Sweden for an example.  Can you name a single freedom we have that they don't?  I thought not.

The country is smaller than TEN of our States.  In fact, the City of New York's population is only slightly smaller than the country of Sweden.

The most important freedom we have that Sweden does not, nor do the other Scandinavian countries, is the ability to move up the "class" ladder.  Their taxes are so high that it is virtually impossible to improve ones status.



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Good answer I see you still have Markle kidnapped and  tied up .... Don't hurt him he means well...

Markle

Markle

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:(not tiny rich) Collectivism can work to some limited degree... like a small commune/nation where people choose to sacrifice.

You must know that given your wishes for this country that you would confiscate from and enslave the unwilling. In a country founded on individual rights and protections... that is astounding. Power corrupts and your evil ideas deserve none.

There are plenty of countries that practice your failed vision... and few that allow our freedoms. You should go comrade.

Take Sweden for an example.  Can you name a single freedom we have that they don't?  I thought not.

The country is smaller than TEN of our States.  In fact, the City of New York's population is only slightly smaller than the country of Sweden.

The most important freedom we have that Sweden does not, nor do the other Scandinavian countries, is the ability to move up the "class" ladder.  Their taxes are so high that it is virtually impossible to improve ones status.

Good answer I see you still have Markle kidnapped and  tied up .... Don't hurt him he means well...

They've offered $100,000. if I agree to take him back, he's driving them nuts but I said $500,000 or they have to keep him.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:So returning the tax rate to 1985 levels would break the human spirit in this country and doom us in the trash heap of history......your hysteria and lack of understanding of political nomenclature is epic on this forum.

What happened?

You used to say we should return to the tax levels of the Eisenhower era.

What happened?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:(not tiny rich) Collectivism can work to some limited degree... like a small commune/nation where people choose to sacrifice.

You must know that given your wishes for this country that you would confiscate from and enslave the unwilling. In a country founded on individual rights and protections... that is astounding. Power corrupts and your evil ideas deserve none.

There are plenty of countries that practice your failed vision... and few that allow our freedoms. You should go comrade.

Take Sweden for an example.  Can you name a single freedom we have that they don't?  I thought not.

The country is smaller than TEN of our States.  In fact, the City of New York's population is only slightly smaller than the country of Sweden.

The most important freedom we have that Sweden does not, nor do the other Scandinavian countries, is the ability to move up the "class" ladder.  Their taxes are so high that it is virtually impossible to improve ones status. More bullshit from Markle: Lots of Swedish businessmen have become successful -- including one I know personally in the waste reclamation industry. But then again, Markle never recognizes up as up, to him it's always down, dry is wet etc. LOL

My socialist/communist good friend Wordslinger demands:

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Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:(not tiny rich) Collectivism can work to some limited degree... like a small commune/nation where people choose to sacrifice.

You must know that given your wishes for this country that you would confiscate from and enslave the unwilling. In a country founded on individual rights and protections... that is astounding. Power corrupts and your evil ideas deserve none.

There are plenty of countries that practice your failed vision... and few that allow our freedoms. You should go comrade.

Take Sweden for an example. Can you name a single freedom we have that they don't? I thought not.

In sweden it's illegal to insult islam.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:(not tiny rich) Collectivism can work to some limited degree... like a small commune/nation where people choose to sacrifice.

You must know that given your wishes for this country that you would confiscate from and enslave the unwilling. In a country founded on individual rights and protections... that is astounding. Power corrupts and your evil ideas deserve none.

There are plenty of countries that practice your failed vision... and few that allow our freedoms. You should go comrade.

Take Sweden for an example.  Can you name a single freedom we have that they don't?  I thought not.

In sweden it's illegal to insult islam.

You have a point ...

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