Obama's Donors Flocking To Sanders, Romney's Going To Rubio

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/07/17/obamas-donors-flocking-to-sanders-romneys-going-to-rubio

Bernie Sanders is drawing more of Barack Obama's 2012 campaign donors than Hillary Clinton.

And Marco Rubio is scoring the biggest share of Mitt Romney's contributors thus far.

These are the findings of Crowdpac, a San Francisco-based political data-mining firm which analyzed the July presidential campaign finance reports.

The Vermont senator has already received contributions from 24,582 of Obama's donors; whereas Clinton has only tapped just over 9,000 of them. Martin O'Malley, the former Maryland governor, has grabbed 383 Obama donors.

That means Sanders has nabbed 72 percent of the 34,340 Obama donors who have given to a candidate in 2016, according to Crowdpac.

Ever since Mitt Romney dropped his flirtation with another White House bid last winter, the rush has been on to court his moneymen and women.

Rubio's winning that charge.

Crowdpac found that the first-term Florida senator has nabbed the greatest number of Romney donors so far – 2,891.

Perhaps more surprising. though, is that Ted Cruz is landing more of Romney's donors (1,840) than Jeb Bush (1,562).

Ben Carson is fourth in the GOP chase for Romney's contributors with 1,285.

Overall, of the 9,302 Romney donors who have doled out money to a candidate in 2016, Rubio has snagged about 31 percent of them.

Marco Rubio, Hillary Clinton Boast the Most 2016 Money in the Bank

Another instructive nugget inside the Crowdpac data is the slow crawl of Ron Paul's donors to his son, Rand Paul.

Crowdpac found that just 816 of the father's donors have given to the son, though just 1,133 of Ron Paul's donors have doled out money so far. (By comparison, Rand has drawn 511 Romney donors.)

Cruz has picked off 316 of Rick Perry's 2012 donors in their budding intrastate rivalry. Just over 1,000 of Perry's 2012 donors have engaged in the 2016 race.

And then there's the surprising.

There's 276 Romney donors who have given to Sanders, and 280 who have given to Clinton.

And just to show the dizzying breadth of some people's choices, Crowdpac discovered that five contributors to Michele Bachmann – one of the most conservative candidates in the 2012 GOP field – sent money to Sanders, the self-avowed socialist.

I hope y'all do put bernie on the ticket. Most americans... and certainly most young don't even know what socialism is.

A 2010 CBS/New York Times survey found that when Americans were asked to use their own words to define the word “socialism” millennials were the least able to do so. According to the survey, only 16 percent of millennials could define socialism as government ownership, or some variation thereof. In contrast, 30 percent of Americans over 30 could do the same (and 57% of tea partiers, incidentally).

Millennials simply don't know that socialism means the government owning everybody’s businesses. They don’t understand that socialism means the government owns the banks, the car companies, Uber, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, etc. They don’t even want the government taking a managerial role over the economy, let alone nationalizing private enterprise.

In fact, millennial support for a government-managed economy (32%) mirrors national favorability toward the word socialism (31%). Millennial preferences may not be so different from older generations once terms are defined.

Millennials’ preferred economic system becomes more pronounced when it is described precisely. Fully 64 percent favor a free market economy over an economy managed by the government (32%), whereas 52 percent favor capitalism over socialism (42%). Language about capitalism and socialism is vague, and using these terms assumes knowledge millennials may not have acquired.

Millennials didn’t grow up during the Cold War in which the national enemy was a socialist totalitarian regime like the Soviet Union. Since this time, the terms “socialism” and “capitalism” may have taken on different meaning in the minds of millennials. For instance, socialism could imply protecting the vulnerable from the vicissitudes of capitalism, and capitalism could mean government favoritism instead of a free market.

We could use the election as a teaching moment comrades.

Every country is a work in progress; identify a problem or weakness and work to fix it. Surely, you don't believe that the current state is ideal. We have been losing the middle class for decades. Why can't we look at successful programs used in other countries and adapt it to our own country. We are already a social democracy. What is Sanders proposing that you object to so strongly? Healthcare for all, education, fair wages, etc? How do you propose to help the middle class or do you not believe there is a problem? What is the ideal government for you? What is the role of government? Who does the government work for now? How do you want your taxes to be used?

PkrBum wrote:

Millennials simply don't know that socialism means the government owning everybody’s businesses. They don’t understand that socialism means the government owns the banks, the car companies, Uber, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, etc. They don’t even want the government taking a managerial role over the economy, let alone nationalizing private enterprise.

I realize most millennials are dumb as rocks.  I know several of them.
But I must be as dumb as the millenials.  I didn't realize socialism means the government owns everybody's business including the banks,  the car companies, Apple,  Facebook and Amazon.
When did the government take ownership of Apple,  Facebook and Amazon. Does Jeff Bezos know about this?

That is bernie's self-described ideology. He would likely just implement little progressive steps toward that end... just like obama and bush2 did. Growing govt scope and control. I'd say our setup now is much closer to fascism. It ends the same.

PkrBum wrote:That is bernie's self-described ideology. He would likely just implement little progressive steps toward that end... just like obama and bush2 did. Growing govt scope and control. I'd say our setup now is much closer to fascism. It ends the same.

So, in your view, what should the government's role be? How would you like our tax dollars to be spent? Does the government have any role in the well being of citizens? Is investing in the health and education of its people detrimental to the country?

I'd rather see the govt much less involved in our lives... try to think of something that they aren't involved in. It's gotten to the point that we have a militarized police... the feds gather information on us directly in violation of the constitution... our remaining rights are constantly under attack. I think something like education or healthcare is a service. Ever wonder why govts and religions are so interested in educating kids? Healthcare is a choice (or it was). By far the biggest factor is the lifestyle a person CHOOSES to lead. If you don't think that choice isn't being taken over by govt eventually... then you arent paying attention. There has to be equal opportunity to succeed... that's all... and just as in nature the right to fail. Natural selection got us to this point.

The govt has some useful... enumerated functions. Almost exclusively to perform only those things that promote the general welfare... meaning a benefit or function for everyone. That doesn't mean certain things for certain people. Besides the military (not a standing army), roads, borders, interstate disputes... etc... the judicial system should be a fair arbiter. No collusion or corruption in law making. A federal govt at a quarter of it's size and scope would be transparent and responsive.

Captain Chirp strikes again!

Humans don't need to be domesticated... you sick fucks.

If you don't put forth the effort to succeed... your life is going to suck... your kids are most likely going to suck.

I'm sure this is a very shocking revelation... take a few deep breaths.

If you don't put forth the effort to succeed... your life is going to suck.

I have found with only few exceptions that kids who inherit gobs of money fail at every venture......increase the inheritance tax back to the mid 1980s and give kids a chance.