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My outside-the-beltway analysis of something Trump is doing.

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Question for you, Sal. I believe you'd be happy with a one-party government just as long as it represents whatever you define as "progressive".
Am I right about that?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

See folks he can't answer that one quickly.  In his heart he wants to answer yes but he realizes that would be favoring what's tantamount to a form of dictatorship and he doesn't want to say that to you.

It all comes down to what he dislikes more.  Republicans?  or dictatorship?
If he did have to choose one over the other,  my money is on dictatorship.  lol
No different than the choice markle (or other "conservative") would make if the parties were reversed.  lol

Sal

Sal

Actually, there's a lull in the rain, so I got out of the house for a while, Bob, because it's supposed to start up again later this afternoon.

What I'd really like is if one of our two relevant political parties wasn't dominated by hateful, bigoted, ignorant assholes.

There was a time when I voted Republican probably 40% of the time.

That was a long time ago.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal if I remember right, you're in your early 40's.
Even if you did start voting at the age you were first eligible, then you've only voted in presidential or congressional elections since Reagan was in office.

So who were the republican presidential and congressional candidates you voted for "40%" of the time?
Or are you talking about dogcatchers? lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

This is eerily reminiscent of seaoat telling us he's a "lifelong republican". lol

2seaoat



This is eerily reminiscent of seaoat telling us he's a "lifelong republican". lol

As a lifelong Republican, I can tell you his candidacy most reminds me or Ronald Reagan the first time he ran for President.  The news media thought he was a joke, but he could stand before people and talk pretty generally about things and the cynics just ate him up in the press as if he was a clown. He had governed the State of Florida competently, yet they always referenced the "actor" as if he was a joke.  President Reagan connected with people across the aisle.  He connected with Reagan democrats.  I personally think Trump is the definition of a joke, but he is connecting with eople.....people like celebrity.....and the sad thing is that the other candidates have now reverted to a slurry of bad utube video of burning budgets, destroying phones, or replying with blazing personal attacks.  I think Trump is in this for the long haul, and he will start getting ten Sarah Palin bullet points which he will drive home through the  debates.

Ted Cruz is a prototype political worm.  He is irrelevant to any sane discussion and most people cannot get him over the worm test.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Trump is a fake Ross Perot...he is the only hope of another Clinton getting into office..

Sal

Sal

My first presidential vote was for Reagan over Mondale, and my second was H.W. Bush over Dukakis.

Those were my only two GOP votes for presidents before I wised up.

I voted for many GOP congressional candidates in those salad days, most notoriously for Anne Northrup over Mike Ward.

She turned out to be nothing but a toadie for Dubya.

It wasn't until the impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton that I realized that the GOP had gone completely batshit crazy, and they've only gotten worse since then.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I think seaoat makes a good observation. In the "connecting with people" category, Trump does have that in common with Reagan.
In that regard, both were/are populists who go directly to the voters for their support.
They also share one other similiarity. They both had national celebrity status and all the national name recognition they needed before they even entered the presidential race.








Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Snark Spigot wrote:My first presidential vote was for Reagan over Mondale, and my second was H.W. Bush over Dukakis.

I voted for many GOP congressional candidates in those salad days...

That's really interesting to learn,   Sal.  Because I've always wondered how you could be such a  "progressive/liberal" type when your age puts you in the original "reagan generation" which mostly rebelled against all that liberal stuff originated by the hippie faction of your parents' generation (mine).

Many of my generation had developed a philosophy that wanting wealth and money and shit should take a backseat to love,  peace,  living communally, and all like that.  
And then your generation mostly reverted to the philosophy of MY parents' generation which saw a comeback with Reaganism.

So you bought into into the reaganism in the beginning but then strayed from it later on.
That's indicative of an independent thinker.  I always respect that.

2seaoat



So you bought into into the reaganism in the beginning but then strayed from it later on.
That's indicative of an independent thinker.  I always respect that.

No Bob, Sal has an IQ higher than a toaster, and it had nothing to do with prideful independence and fence sitting......it had everything to do with the overwhelming evidence that Reaganomics has irreparably harmed America and that he may have been successful in foreign policy, but we are still paying for his HUGE economic and tax mistakes.

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:
Many of my generation had developed a philosophy that wanting wealth and money and shit should take a backseat to love,  peace,  living communally, and all like that.  

That was short lived.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:What she also won't do is apply that same standard to hillary. Hillary represented that she was broke upon leaving the wh to garner populist support. When in fact she is a rich bitch preying on the average folk by promising to confiscate the wealth of others... which she won't do because she is bought and paid for by corps, banks, wall st., and foreign interests. She also leveraged her husbands name and accomplishments to place herself among the ruling elite. It's good to be the queen.

I'm back...and you really don't know what you're talking about, as usual. Why don't you start your own Hillary-bashing thread? This one's about "the Donald." I don't doubt that the Clintons' finances were severely impacted by the multiple lawyers they had to hire throughout Bill's presidency. The Clinton Foundation came much later, and Chelsea Clinton has been a prime mover in that.

Hillary Clinton is not my first choice, but, hands down, she beats any Republican running...that's ANY REPUBLICAN. They're all singing the same song, and it's repulsive.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

About that "connecting with people" thing though.

I'll never forget being in a long line of several hundred people behind a rope on the tarmac at the Pensacola airport who were there to eyeball Reagan in person. This was during his first presidential campaign.

When Reagan got to where I was and he held out his hand to shake mine, the only thing I remember about that is his hand had so much grease paint (theatrical makeup) on it that after I shook it, it looked my hand had been dipped in a flour jar.

If Trump ever comes to Pensacola, I'll be there to see what his hands look like. I don't trust people who wear grease paint out in public. That's just too much evidence of what Orson Welles told us long ago. That he'd known politician and he'd known actors, and that all politicians are really just actors.


Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Snark Spigot wrote:
Bob wrote:
Many of my generation had developed a philosophy that wanting wealth and money and shit should take a backseat to love,  peace,  living communally, and all like that.  

That was short lived.

That's very true and a very astute observation.  For a great many of my generation,  the peace and love thing lasted only until they realized they were living in a "van down by the river" as Chris so brilliantly put it.  And they no longer cottoned to that lifestyle.  lol

Some are still living in a van down by the river though.  Not many,  but some.  lol

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:What she also won't do is apply that same standard to hillary. Hillary represented that she was broke upon leaving the wh to garner populist support. When in fact she is a rich bitch preying on the average folk by promising to confiscate the wealth of others... which she won't do because she is bought and paid for by corps, banks, wall st., and foreign interests. She also leveraged her husbands name and accomplishments to place herself among the ruling elite. It's good to be the queen.

I'm back...and you really don't know what you're talking about, as usual. Why don't you start your own Hillary-bashing thread? This one's about "the Donald." I don't doubt that the Clintons' finances were severely impacted by the multiple lawyers they had to hire throughout Bill's presidency. The Clinton Foundation came much later, and Chelsea Clinton has been a prime mover in that.

Hillary Clinton is not my first choice, but, hands down, she beats any Republican running...that's ANY REPUBLICAN. They're all singing the same song, and it's repulsive.


You constantly throw bush2 crap into any thread that criticizes obama, hillary... or any of your dear leaders.

Mine was in actual context because it pointed out the fact that you hold different standards depending on party.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Bob wrote:See folks he can't answer that one quickly.  In his heart he wants to answer yes but he realizes that would be favoring what's tantamount to a form of dictatorship and he doesn't want to say that to you.

It all comes down to what he dislikes more.  Republicans?  or dictatorship?
If he did have to choose one over the other,  my money is on dictatorship.  lol
No different than the choice markle (or other "conservative") would make if the parties were reversed.  lol

Absolute caca, Bob. Another false dichotomy. In fact, the candidate who has signaled that he favors dictatorship is Jeb! :-[ This would be in keeping with the tenure of his brother...the "Decider"...and the closest we've come to fascism in this country since the Great Depression and the attempted assassination of FDR.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-charles-murray-the-bell-curve

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Actually a good number of those who are now "living down by the river" are the same vietnam vets the hippies used to spit at.
They got so disillusioned with american society because of their vietnam experience,  that the "van down by the river" was the life they chose after they got back home.
Such irony.  Many of the hippies morphed into reaganites.  And many of the vets morphed into hippies.

I think we're seeing the same thing happening to the modern day vets as a result of "Vietnam 2".  
When they went to war,  they had the same gung ho my country right or wrong mindset as Cheney (who himself,  ironically did everything he could to avoid military service during Vietnam 1).
But now that they've come home (the ones who survived it),  it appears that many are heading for that same van down by the river.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
PkrBum wrote:What she also won't do is apply that same standard to hillary. Hillary represented that she was broke upon leaving the wh to garner populist support. When in fact she is a rich bitch preying on the average folk by promising to confiscate the wealth of others... which she won't do because she is bought and paid for by corps, banks, wall st., and foreign interests. She also leveraged her husbands name and accomplishments to place herself among the ruling elite. It's good to be the queen.

I'm back...and you really don't know what you're talking about, as usual.  Why don't you start your own Hillary-bashing thread?  This one's about "the Donald."  I don't doubt that the Clintons' finances were severely impacted by the multiple lawyers they had to hire throughout Bill's presidency.  The Clinton Foundation came much later, and Chelsea Clinton has been a prime mover in that.  

Hillary Clinton is not my first choice, but, hands down, she beats any Republican running...that's ANY REPUBLICAN.  They're all singing the same song, and it's repulsive.

 

You constantly throw bush2 crap into any thread that criticizes obama, hillary... or any of your dear leaders.

Mine was in actual context because it pointed out the fact that you hold different standards depending on party.

No...I just HAVE standards...and no one on the right comes close...and you're right...I hate the Bush family with every fiber of my being. They're all liars, crooks, and murderers.



Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:
Bob wrote:See folks he can't answer that one quickly.  In his heart he wants to answer yes but he realizes that would be favoring what's tantamount to a form of dictatorship and he doesn't want to say that to you.

It all comes down to what he dislikes more.  Republicans?  or dictatorship?
If he did have to choose one over the other,  my money is on dictatorship.  lol
No different than the choice markle (or other "conservative") would make if the parties were reversed.  lol

Absolute caca, Bob. Another false dichotomy. In fact, the candidate who has signaled that he favors dictatorship is Jeb! :-[ This would be in keeping with the tenure of his brother...the "Decider"...and the closest we've come to fascism in this country since the Great Depression and the attempted assassination of FDR.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-charles-murray-the-bell-curve


Lol... see? And in actuality obamacaid is the biggest fascist program of all time... directly marrying ins & corps to govt.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Floridatexan wrote:and you're right...I hate the Bush family with every fiber of my being.  They're all liars, crooks, and murderers.

So much so that you believe they blew up the world trade center and flew missiles into the pentagon. lol

p.s.  if it makes you feel any better,  I hate that hayseed one just as much as you do.  That's why I voted AGAINST McCain since he wanted "another 100 years" of that atrocity just like hayseed and cheney and those other neocons did.  It wasn't a vote FOR anything.  Just a vote AGAINST a continuation of something.
The other two (poppy and jebby) I can take or leave.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I have to leave the discussion for now but I wish I didn't cause this is more fun than what I'll be doing. lol
See ya later.

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