The ugly bitch who gave birth to the cowardly little monsters SPEAKS

Bob, you are a gentle kind man who talks a good game about being this cruel vengeful man, but your compassion and care of your mother told me long ago that you are a special person, and letting off a little steam only shows your frustration with evil people in this world. So no I will never consider you a monster, however I will always remind you of your prejudice and fear......which we all have. but each of us should strive for a fair game.

How bout you,  seaoat.  Why aren't you forgiving Bush and Cheney for all the death and misery they caused?  Why aren't you saying you hope and pray everybody else forgives them too?

And when butchmeup starts another bullshit war I expect to see you post to say you forgive him too.  lol

Dear Dzhokhar Tsarnaev,

My name is Rebekah Gregory. We don't really know each other and never will. But over the last two years, I have seen your face not only in pictures, but in almost every one of my nightmares. Moments before the first blast, your stupid backpack even brushed up against my arm, but I doubt you remember because I am no one to you. A complete stranger. And although I was merely just a blip on your radar, (someone that happened to be standing 3 feet from your designated "good spot" for a bomb), you have been so much more to me. Because you have undoubtedly been my source of fear since April 15th, 2013. (After all, you are one of the men responsible for nearly taking my child, and for the permanent image embedded in my brain of watching someone die.) Up until now, I have been truly scared of you and because of this, fearful of everything else people might be capable of.

But today, all that changed. Because this afternoon, I got to walk into a courtroom and take my place at the witness stand, just a few feet away from where you were sitting. (I was WALKING. Did you get that?) And today I explained all the horrific details, of how you changed my life, to the people that literally hold YOURS in their hands. That's a little scary right? And this afternoon before going in, I'm not going to lie..my palms were sweaty. And sitting up there talking to the prosecution did make me cry. But today, do you know what else happened? TODAY...I looked at you right in the face....and realized I wasn't afraid anymore. And today I realized that sitting across from you was somehow the crazy kind of step forward that I needed all along.

And I think that's the ironic thing that happens when someone intends something for evil. Because somehow, some way, it always ends up good. But you are a coward. A little boy who wouldn't even look me in the eyes to see that. Because you can't handle the fact that what you tried to destroy, you only made stronger. And if your eyes would've met mine for just one second, you would've also seen that what you "blew up" really did BLOW UP. Because now you have given me (and the other survivors) a tremendous platform to help others, and essentially do our parts in changing the world for the better.

So yes...you did take a part of me. Congratulations you now have a leg up...literally. But in so many ways, you saved my life. Because now, I am so much more appreciative of every new day I am given. And now, I get to hug my son even tighter than before, blessed that he is THRIVING, despite everything that has happened.

So now...while you are sitting in solitary confinement, (awaiting the verdict on your life), I will be actually ENJOYING everything this beautiful world has to offer. And guess what else? I will do so without fear....of YOU. Because now to me you're a nobody, and it is official that you have lost. So man that really sucks for you bro. I truly hope it was worth it.

https://www.facebook.com/newday.newhope.rebekahgregory/posts/770673919715226

Rebekah Gregory, 27, and Pete DiMartino, 30, were standing near the finish line of the 2013 marathon watching his mom run the race when the two bombs went off. Gregory ultimately lost her left leg – after 17 surgeries, it was amputated in November – while DiMartino lost 90 percent of an Achilles tendon and suffered a ruptured eardrum.

Gregory, who tied the knot with DiMartino in Asheville, North Carolina, in a ceremony and reception thrown by TheKnot.com, tells PEOPLE, "After the decision was made to amputate my leg in November, I found myself having to make an even more painful choice – to separate from my husband Pete. Over the last several months I've come to realize that going through such a horrific event together put a fast-forward on our relationship that we each handled differently.

"While my heart is beyond broken, I have a certain peace knowing from day one, I truly gave it my all, and have been fully invested in keeping this marriage, and my commitment before God. I still love Pete with all of my heart and ask that everyone respect our privacy as we try to figure out our next steps. As for now, I am focused on doing what I feel is best for my son and I, and will concentrate my time on healing, both physically and emotionally."

http://www.people.com/article/boston-marathon-bombing-wedding-rebekah-gregory-separated

I will have to start with self forgiveness. I voted for Bush twice, and supported the war because I watched the UN speech by General Colin Powell and I believed him. I did not think the books had been cooked. I will live with my mistake and try to be much more skeptical in the future of those who want to kill people in war. I acted in good faith, but I was naive.....never again.

I want to sincerely apologize to everyone reading this for letting you hear from one of the more than two hundred victims of the Boston bombing.
I realize that makes me "cruel and racist" and instead I should be posting to say how forgiving I am of the perp.

2seaoat wrote:  I will...try to be much more skeptical in the future of those who want to kill people in war.  

Good for you.  But I hope that some day you'll learn to also have the same skepticism for those who want to kill people outside of war.
But it is a start.

you'll learn to also have the same skepticism for those who want to kill people outside of war.
But it is a start.

My daughter prosecutes criminals......I have always had a healthy skepticism of gangbangers and criminals......I know a great deal about the subject. The individual who was found guilty in Boston is a typical common criminal who is part of a criminal enterprise......nothing new for me. The system works great......conviction after years of people telling us it does not work.

2seaoat wrote: The individual who was found guilty in Boston is a typical common criminal

If Tsarnaev is a "typical" violent criminal,  then we're in a world of trouble.
Because in 2011,  an estimated 1,203,564 violent crimes occurred nationwide.
Since Tsarnaev is "typical" of all violent criminals,  and Tsarnaev killed and injured 264 people (many of them losing arms and legs),  that would mean 317 million people were killed or injured by typical violent criminals in 2011.  Almost the entire population of the United States.  So count yourself lucky,  seaoat,  since you and I are among the very few who haven't been killed or injured by violent criminals.  Like they needed a BIGGER boat in Jaws,  we're gonna need a lot bigger supply of prosthetics.

No Bob, again you do not have a clue about gang violence in America. I do. The criminal enterprise has stuff that make this kid look like a piker. Gangs are killing thousands of people a year and terrorizing entire neighborhoods, yet you focus on one event and get your scardy cat on. America is the safest it has been in forty years as far as crime is concerned, but the criminal enterprises around the drug trade are brutal and far more of my concern than terrorism. All the terrorism in the last decade including 911 does not even make a dent on the drug violence in america being perpetrated by criminal enterprises.....I know you got scared to death this past summer with ISIS.....but you are afraid of a water snake, while the moccasin slowly surrounds your neighborhood.

You remind me of some of the kids in junior high,  seaoat.  The ones who loved to tell all the other kids they were "scaredy cats" and "chicken" and "yellow" and all those other juvenile words.

One thing I also remember though,  is that the kids who constantly accused others of all that were always the ones who were actually the most scared.  lol

2seaoat wrote:No Bob, again you do not have a clue about gang violence in America.  I do.  

Well I'm sure we'll all surely need your expertise when we have a thread about gang violence.
But since the Boston Marathon bombing had nothing to do with gang violence, your expertise is irrelevant to this thread.

It had everything to do with criminal gangs.  Because you are racist and xenophobe, you want to make Muslims special.   ISIS is a run of the mill criminal enterprise which grew because the nation state failed as they expanded their influence.  I could go over detail in Colombia, Venezuela, and Mexico where the same criminal elements are behind violence in America, yet you just get upset at those little brown bags of garbage crossing the border fleeing from the very criminal enterprises you fail to recognize.....because as usual you are looking at the color of their skin, religion, or ethnicity.  Boston was a criminal trial Bob.   Criminals are tried in criminal trials.  Every day all over America horrors equal or worse than the Boston bombing are prosecuted by dedicated professionals who recognize real threats......and do not share your scardy cat paradigm......put the dresser in front of the door and get a night light.....your guy was a common criminal.....and no I did not think he was cute.

2seaoat wrote:It had everything to do with criminal gangs.  Because you are racist and xenophobe, you want to make Muslims special.   ISIS is a run of the mill criminal enterprise which grew because the nation state failed as they expanded their influence.  I could go over detail in Colombia, Venezuela, and Mexico where the same criminal elements are behind violence in America, yet you just get upset at those little brown bags of garbage crossing the border fleeing from the very criminal enterprises you fail to recognize.....because as usual you are looking at the color of their skin, religion, or ethnicity.  Boston was a criminal trial Bob.   Criminals are tried in criminal trials.  Every day all over America horrors equal or worse than the Boston bombing are prosecuted by dedicated professionals who recognize real threats......and do not share your scardy cat paradigm......put the dresser in front of the door and get a night light.....your guy was a common criminal.....and no I did not think he was cute.

In the last few posts you've been telling me Tsarnaev is a "typical" criminal and it's all gang related.   And you're accusing me of being a racist who wants to make the Boston bombing be all about muslims and ISIS and Jihad.

But on page one of this very same thread,  you posted two replies to try to convince me the Boston bombing was ALL about muslims and religion.  The posts are numbered,  bud.  Go back and read your posts #4 and #6 on the first page.

In post #4 you say "it was about religion and you should know that".   And then you support that argument by quoting what Tsarnaev wrote while in that boat...

“I’m jealous of my brother who ha[s] [re]ceived the reward of jannutul Firdaus (inshallah) before me. I do not mourn because his soul is very much alive. God has a plan for each person. Mine was to hide in this boat and shed some light on our actions. I ask Allah to make me a shahied (iA) to allow me to return to him and be among all the righteous people in the highest levels of heaven...The US Government is killing our innocent civilians but most of you already know that.
"As a [UI] I can’t stand to see such evil go unpunished, we Muslims are one body, you hurt one you hurt us all. Well at least that’s how muhhammad (pbuh) wanted it to be."

I majored in psychology,  seaoat.  But we'll need your psychology expertise to figure you out.  Are you schizophrenic?  If you are,  my undergraduate degree isn't sufficient to know how to deal with that.  That's gonna need a full blown shrink. lol

2seaoat wrote: Every day all over America horrors equal or worse than the Boston bombing are prosecuted

Got it.  So link me to any news story from any source,  left-wing, right-wing, broken-wing,  mainstream,  alternative,  Alex Jones, internet,  tv,  newspaper or anything else which will inform me of the crime which was prosecuted today in America which was equal or worse than killing and dismembering and injuring 267 people.  And I'm easy.  If you can't tell me about one which happened today,  then tell me about the one yesterday.  Or the day before.  Or last week.  Or last month.

I'm still waiting, seaoat.  You just said it happens every day.
Surely you don't need any more time to remember at least one.  lol

There were 14 thousand people murdered in America in 2011. Way down from the peaks of the 70s. Two people were killed in the Boston Bombing. Less than 4 thousand have died total since the twentieth century......over a hundred and fifteen years. Yes it has everything to do with xenophobic and racist fears which are totally not statistically related to the risk. Like a child fearing the boogie man in the closet, the child is clueless of real dangers in the world. Sorry, your anger and predisposition to ignore reality is more about fear and prejudice than real risks. It is a phobia with you like fear of flying or fear of heights.....you get goofy when thinking about being at risk. Your biggest risk factor is the last alcohol you drank and the impact on your health......but a little brown bag of garbage gets you all worked up.....and the worse part.....you do not even see it.

Who is it you keep talking about, seaoat? This thread is about an individual named Zokar Tsarnaev who sure doesn't look "brown" to me. His skin is as white as mine is.

http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2014_13/275846/140324-boston-bombing-dzhokhar-tsarnaev_7f276ffc841ce04daa732e5988fefd53.jpg

He is Muslim. As Pace says.....nuff said. Of course a 16 year old kid I knew was in the wrong gang when he walked out of the barbershop.....he was blown away by three Hispanic kids.......the kid I knew was selling eight balls and making 2k a day....so flipping burgers was not an option and protecting territory and sending a message was the game..that gang loyalty and prohibition allow murders over the last 30 years to have soared, yet in the last six years crime is at very low levels compared to the peak, yet it is gangs driving the murders, and drugs giving the incentive. A Muslim who is a fanatic, or a gangbanger fanatically protecting territory murder, but just not at the same frequency or risk.......so make the Muslims boogie men, because it is not by accident that children watching a scary movie have a hard time sleeping.....they have been convinced somebody is in their closet, and hate and prejudice make money for MIC and it is almost laughable how easily Americans scare.....as I have said for years....we have become a bunch of wussies.

2seaoat wrote:There were 14 thousand people murdered in America in 2011...

...Less than  4 thousand have died total since the twentieth century......over a hundred and fifteen years...

Huh

"14 thousand died in 2011".  But "less than 4 thousand have died total in the last hundred and 15 years".
Correct me if I'm wrong,  but didn't 2011 happen during the last hundred and fifteen years?  If so,  your ability at mathematics doesn't equal your expertise in all other areas.
You might want to  pick up a copy of "Arithmetic For Dummies".

2seaoat wrote: a 16 year old kid I knew was in the wrong gang when he walked out of the barbershop.....he was blown away by three Hispanic kids.....

Well once again, this thread is not about gangs.

But since you keep obsessing on gang violence and now you're talking about gang members being blown away by Hispanic kids, are those the "brown people" and the "little brown bags of garbage" you repeatedly keep referring to? Is all this an indication that you have some deep seated issues with Hispanic people?

I don't mind at all when people go off-topic in my threads, but I at least would hope the off-topic talk is lucid and sensible. When it's not it just leaves us all scratching our heads.

Arithmetic For Dummies"

Your library, not mine. Less than 4,000 terrorist deaths in over a hundred plus years, and 14 thousand murders a year in a down period.........terrorist are about as risky to an American as getting hit by lightening.....it happens, and the wussification of America would have nobody going outside because lightening might happen......sorry probabilities and stats I get.

Well once again, this thread is not about gangs.


No Bob....it is all about gangs. This gangbanger was a muslim. His loyalty to his gang to commit criminal acts was not a bit different than any of the other criminal enterprise......get the young kids into the gang......solidify their loyalty with social pressure.....and commit crimes. No Bob, you just see an "ugly" semetic woman who cannot be beautiful, and has monsters for children not for their actions but for who they are.....the same feelings you expressed when they were speaking Spanish in a New Mexico restaurant, or little disease bags of brown garbage were being bused to shelters......the huge out of control wave which scared you to death....now you have arisen again.....to be scared to death of Muslims......and then you tell me that gangs and criminality had nothing to do with it.......sure.......if you are a protected child afraid of the boogie man.....then your paradigm makes sense.....otherwise snap out of it.

2seaoat wrote:

No Bob....it is all about gangs.   This gangbanger was a muslim.  

I'm trying to take all this in, seaoat, so help me out here.
Are you saying the muslim religion is nothing but a gang? Like the Crips and the Bloods?

But aside from that, how exactly do you define what is a "gang"? This crime was committed by two brothers. If you read the lengthy Rolling Stone article about the life of Johar Tsarnaev linked below, it very clearly reveals that, aside from his brother, literally no one else in his life had any clue he was a part of the "muslim gang" you keep speaking of.

The Crips have thousands of members in their gang. So do the Bloods. But this "muslim gang" appears to have only two members.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/jahars-world-20130717

'm trying to take all this in, seaoat, so help me out here.
Are you saying the muslim religion is nothing but a gang? Like the Crips and the Bloods?

Nope. I am telling you that the fact that a Blood who is Baptist has little to do with the criminal enterprise. The gang is a small sub set of Baptist. Radical Islam is a small sub set of Muslims. I have a friend who is Muslim and whose family originated from Pakistan. He owns three gas stations and people come in and insult this kind wonderful man because of your BS generalizations which make his outward appearance and religion......his ugliness the issue, rather than his character and intent. He is a law abiding American. The sub set of gangbangers who seek a criminal enterprise have NOTHING to do with being Muslim or being of a certain ethnicity.

Radical Islam is appealing to disenfranchised youth just as gang membership appeals to so many in America's dysfunctional and broken world of poverty. No Bob, your irrational fears, generalizations, prejudice, and hate have very little to do with reality.

2seaoat wrote:  I am telling you that the fact that a Blood who is Baptist has little to do with the criminal enterprise.  The gang is a small sub set of Baptist.  Radical Islam is a small sub set of Muslims.  I have a friend who is Muslim and whose family originated from Pakistan.  He owns three gas stations and people come in and insult this kind wonderful man because of your BS generalizations which make his outward appearance and religion......his ugliness the issue, rather than his character and intent.  He is a law abiding American.   The sub set of gangbangers who seek a criminal enterprise have NOTHING to do with being Muslim or being of a certain ethnicity.

Radical Islam is appealing to disenfranchised youth just as gang membership appeals to so many in America's dysfunctional and broken world of poverty.  No Bob, your irrational fears, generalizations, prejudice, and hate have very little to do with reality.

I'll remind you once again, seaoat, YOU are the one who introduced the word "muslim" into this whole discussion. That word was never mentioned until YOU started obsessing about it.
You are also the one who introduced the word "hispanic" into this discussion and you repeatedly keep referring to hispanics as "little brown bags of garbage". And I'm especially confused by that since the Tsarnaev brothers don't appear to be hispanic.

But I do have some questions about your last post.

You're attempted to explain Johar Tsarnaev's actions with the line "radical Islam is appealing to disenfranchised youth"

Johar Tsarnaev's family escaped the repression of another country where he was indeed a "disenfranchised youth". In fact his whole family was "disenfranchised" and that's why they came to America.
When Johar began another life in America, he assimilated into that world very well. He was well-liked by everyone around him. He made many friends in America and they all loved him and he got along very well with all of them. If you bother to read the Rolling Stone piece, you will learn that. You will also learn that, to a person, ALL of his friends and associates were totally shocked to discover he was the Boston bomber.

Secondly, this is the first time I've ever heard of the Blood gang being "Baptists". And I just read over the extensive wiki page on the Bloods, and nowhere did I see the word "baptist" mentioned. I'm having great difficulty trying to envision the members of the Blood gang meeting in a Baptist Church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloods