NBC Nightly News minutes ago: "Cruz is eligible to be president since his mother was born in the U.S. even though he was born in Canada"

So if the NBC Nightly News report is true,  then why did anybody question Obama's eligibility since his mother was also born in the U.S.?

Now Bob you know and I know . . . . . . . we ALL know that Ted is special and should not be subjected to the same gangbangin Obama got . . . . .

But if what was said on that report is true, knothead, then it doesn't matter where Obama was born since his mother was born here.

Either the report was wrong OR even if Obama was born outside the U.S. it wouldn't matter.

My head is spinning over this. Where are Karl Rove and Markle on this?
If they say Obama is ineligible then it automatically follows that Cruz is ineligible. And if Cruz is eligible, then it automatically follows that Obama is also eligible.

Questions were occasionally asked about Romney's eligibility to hold the office of President due to his birth in Mexico, given the ambiguity in the United States Constitution over the phrase "natural-born citizen". His Mormon paternal grandfather and his three wives had fled to Mexico in 1886, but none of them ever relinquished U.S. citizenship. Romney's parents chose U.S. citizenship for their children, including George. The family fled Mexico and came to the United States in 1912 during the Mexican Revolution.

By February 1967, some newspapers were questioning Romney's eligibility given his Mexican birth. In May 1967, the Democratic chair of the House Judiciary Committee, Emanuel Celler, said he had "serious doubts" about whether Romney was eligible, but had no plans to formally challenge the matter.

Until somebody files a formal lawsuit and has standing, the issue is mere speculation..........the experts say he is ok, but there is no test case to establish precedent. It could get interesting when the other Republicans in debate compare the Kenyan Presiaent to the Canadian ......wannabe.

The difference is that Cruz offered up a REAL birth certificate immediately and it took Obama four years or more to produce an authentic fake of his. I guess forgery is a hard to come by art.

Sal wrote:I can't believe people still don't understand this.

The rightwing constructed an entire cottage industry dedicated to attacking Obama's legitimacy, and the minions lapped it up, facts be damned.

The left will laugh at the hypocrisy displayed due to Cruz's circumstances, but as can already be seen, no one will take it seriously or seek to make an issue of it, because facts matter on the left.

This is the difference.

The right does not care about facts or the truth, they only care about having their fears and bigotry and frustration and fury validated.

Sadly, this has been the case for quite some time now.

Get off the fence.

You need to look in the mirror when you lie like that.

KarlRove wrote:The difference is that Cruz offered up a REAL birth certificate immediately and it took Obama four years or more to produce an authentic fake of his. I guess forgery is a hard to come by art.

Define ''REAL''

Students at Liberty University were forced to attend Ted Cruz’s launch of his presidential campaign, or they would be punished. That is Republican freedom in action. It will be interested to see what kind of crowd Cruz can draw when he is not forcing people to show up.


Sen. Cruz crusades against what he incorrectly views as the theft of liberty by the federal government, but one of the great ironies of all was the lack of freedom his audience had while Ted Cruz spoke a university named Liberty.

KarlRove wrote:The difference is that Cruz offered up a REAL birth certificate immediately and it took Obama four years or more to produce an authentic fake of his. I guess forgery is a hard to come by art.

You're missing the whole point. If Cruz is eligible because his mother was born inside the United States, then the goddamn birth certificate doesn't matter.
Not for him or Obama.

then the goddamn birth certificate doesn't matter.
Not for him or Obama.

Wrong......it is rumored and alleged that he is the illegitimate child of Margaret Trudeau and an islander while vacationing in Tahiti who had the child in Tahiti, put him up for adoption in Canada, in 1970 where his birth certificate was forged to show he was born to an American while cleverly hiding the birth from Pierre Trudeau who was prime minister and married her in 1971.....the birth certificate is not the "real" birth certificate, and it is clear that he was born in Tahiti and his mother is not his real birth mother, but his adoptive mother.......at least this is a theory which can only be confirmed by careful examination of the birth certificate, so nobody is missing the point.....the birth certificate may be very important to prove what is now only mere conjecture.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/22/ted_cruzs_ironic_birther_predicament/

Connoisseurs of irony must be having a fine time watching Sen. Ted Cruz deal with inquiries about his U.S. citizenship. Barely eight weeks ago, Cruz loudly announced that he intended to introduce “a commonsense (sic) amendment to the immigration bill” that would allow states to require documentary proof of citizenship as a condition of voter registration — and now he has been forced to release his own birth certificate in order to answer questions arising from his Canadian birth.

To be clear, Cruz’s evidence is plenty good enough for me, but it cannot possibly be enough to satisfy consistent, die-hard birthers.

Cruz’s official Canadian birth certificate, as posted by the Dallas Morning News, shows that Rafael Edward Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, on December 22, 1970. Oddly, however, the birth was not registered until December 31, leaving an unexplained gap of nine days. But where was baby Ted over Christmas, an astute birther might ask. Donald Trump could build a casino in a hole that size.

Still, the birth certificate does state that Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Elizabeth Wilson, was born in Wilmington, Delaware. As Cruz has often said, that made him a U.S. citizen at birth, and therefore eligible to be president – but only if the birth certificate is accurate. The Canadian officials would have had no reason to question Cruz’s mother about her native country, nor would they have demanded any proof. Her word alone was good enough for Canadian purposes. Why would they care about the baby’s future qualification for the U.S. presidency?

Which brings us – or rather, which ought to bring the birthers – to the documents Cruz has not produced. Where, for example, is the Consular Report of Birth Abroad, which Cruz’s parents could have obtained at the U.S. consulate in Calgary? That would at least establish their intention to register him as an American citizen while they were living in Canada. For that matter, where is Eleanor Wilson’s own birth certificate? I mean, anyone can claim to have been born in Delaware, and everyone (including this dual citizen of the United States and Canada) knows that Canadians are too polite to ask tough questions. Birthers will have no such qualms. Will they require documentary proof?

Of course, even a sheaf of birth certificates would still leave Cruz’s citizenship technically open to question. Under the law in effect in 1970, Cruz would only have acquired U.S. citizenship if his mother had been “physically present” in the United States for ten years prior to his birth, including five years after she reached the age of fourteen. Neither Cruz’s birth certificate, nor his mother’s, nor the Consular Report could irrefutably establish Eleanor Wilson’s residence for the necessary length of time. For all birthers know, she might have been living in Kenya.

With so much grist for the birther mill, Cruz could face weeks, or months, of demands for his mother’s school registration, utility bills, leases, and property tax records – all of which would be subjected to intensive internet scrutiny. Maybe Donald Trump would send investigators to Delaware. After all, political observers have heard countless charges that documents can be faked.

Sure, the quest would be silly. Birtherism always is. But that didn’t prevent Cruz and his Tea Party confreres from keeping mum about the crazy rumors that have been spread for years about President Obama. Just this month, Republican Congressman Blake Farenthold of Texas promised to “take a look” at claims about “the fraudulent birth certificate of Barack Obama’s.” Another Texas Republican, Congressman Steve Stockman, also continues to question the president’s birth place. Sen. Cruz probably has enough star power within his party to squelch that sort of nonsense, if he would only speak out against it. But he has evidently been content to watch the conspiracy theories fulminate unchecked. As reported by National Review Online, he has even refused to rule out impeaching the president.

No responsible person actually doubts Cruz’s citizenship (although, as a Harvard trained lawyer he must surely know that his Canadian birth certificate is far from definitive proof). Connoisseurs of hypocrisy, on the other hand, are having a ball.

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Sometimes it’s fun to take a page from the Tea Party’s Big Bad Book of Insanity and watch them squirm. Take, for instance, the fact that Tea Party favorite Ted Cruz was born in Canada. Sure, his mother was an American but so was Obama’s and that didn’t stop the Birthers from freaking out over his status as a citizen. It’s funny watching them tie themselves into pretzels to explain why it’s different for Cruz without using the phrase “Because he’s not black.” To be fair, Donald Trump has already gone Birther on Ted Cruz, but Donald Trump is a reality TV publicity whore with less political credibility than the cast of Jersey Shore.

You can't kiss on the campus of Liberty University, which is cool because they don't teach the students what "liberty" actually means.- LOLGOP

KarlRove wrote:The difference is that Cruz offered up a REAL birth certificate immediately and it took Obama four years or more to produce an authentic fake of his. I guess forgery is a hard to come by art.

So the Hawaiian Dept.of Vital Statistics was in on it too because they verified his BC?

by Wordslinger Today at 10:15 am
KarlRove wrote:
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The difference is that Cruz offered up a REAL birth certificate immediately and it took Obama four years or more to produce an authentic fake of his. I guess forgery is a hard to come by art.
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Obama had a white American mother. So does Cruz. So what the hell's the difference? The time it took to produce a birth certificate has absolutely nothing to do with the reality. If Obama isn't a real American, neither is Cruz.

Of course those are facts and you conservatives don't believe in facts. Right War Hero??-----
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I love how you jump right to the race card. I guess you'll be using some nice Latino slurs soon, huh? It's great that you hate CruZ. It'll be better when you have to call him POTUS if it happens.

by Vikingwoman Today at 7:01 pm
KarlRove wrote:
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The difference is that Cruz offered up a REAL birth certificate immediately and it took Obama four years or more to produce an authentic fake of his. I guess forgery is a hard to come by art.
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So the Hawaiian Dept.of Vital Statistics was in on it too because they verified his BC?
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Four years after the fact a certificate of live birth was provided when Obama felt like it.

KarlRove wrote:
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Four years after the fact a certificate of live birth was provided when Obama felt like it.

I see you're still missing the whole point.
If we apply the same requirements for eligibility to Obama as we do to Cruz, then it DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER EITHER EVER PRODUCES A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
That's what you don't seem to get. So let me say it a different way.
CRUZ WAS BORN OUTSIDE THE U.S. BUT HIS MOTHER WAS BORN IN THE U.S. AND HE'S ELIGIBLE BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN SO IS OBAMA.
AND IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN BOTH ARE INELIGIBLE. PERIOD.

He doesn't have a chance of getting the nomination. He's only there to stir up the fundie crowd against the President. He's the definition of lunatic fringe; hence his association with Sarah Palin...birds of a feather...etc.