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It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.!

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

The following story will definitely explode the head of corporate spokesman Markle, who always defends exploitative, polluting fossil fuel companies!

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/28105-in-us-there-are-twice-as-many-solar-workers-as-coal-miners

Markle and his fellow republicans could care less about creating jobs -- their one and only concern is to kiss the ass of their biggest corporate campaign donors.

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Do you suppose that solar provides twice as much energy to our country as coal?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Do you suppose that solar provides twice as much energy to our country as coal?

I doubt it but I really don't have the answer. However, the amount of energy being produced by solar power is accelerating at a very fast rate.

With Solar, Geo-thermal, hydroelectric and natural gas energy sources air pollution is minimized. Nuclear power is also relatively non-polluting except for the problem of disposing of spent fuel.

It occurs to me that no matter how you look at it, a profitable fossil fuel industry is doomed; it's going to run out, the pollution factors are high, and there will be fewer and fewer internal combustion engines in the future. There's no doubt the fossil fuel businesses are King of the Road today. And they're trying to buy off (and in many cases succeeding) a government which is the best money can buy.

I have a good friend who is CEO of an energy company which produces power from turbines placed under water -- using tides and currents to turn huge undersea propellers. The first operable units have just been placed in Alaskan waters.

Oil is doomed. And so is the government willing to support big business even when their operations harm the public good.

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

PkrBum wrote:Do you suppose that solar provides twice as much energy to our country as coal?

Oh, eventually it will.... Solar technology is advancing in spades. Currently, very cheap fossil fuels will slow this evolution down, but this will not thwart continued progress.

I don't favor the solar industry because I am a climate-change fanatic. You know that I am not. I favor it because the current world oil-supply glut turns back into shortage in another 40-50 years. In 2010, the president of Brazilian oil company Petrobas stated that the world needs to find new oil volumes the equivalent of one Saudi Arabia every two years to offset future world oil decline rates. That is never going to happen, although there has been a recent revolution in U.S. oil production due to the use of new oil recovery technologies ("fracking").

The current oil price of roughly $45 barrel oil is an aberration--it could easily morph to $300 overnight if the right world-crisis occurred----an Israeli attack on Iran; a nuclear war between India and Pakistan; ISIS completely disrupting Iraq's contribution to supply; revolution/unrest reaching Saudi Arabia and undermining its crucial contribution to world supply....... or a myriad of other possibilities.

Once fossil fuels are no longer inexpensive (again), the dollars spent on energy will move to where the cheaper value is. The "solar crossover"  point, where solar energy is cheaper to generate than energy from fossil fuels will be reached during this century.

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It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHnaTgiAxru_d2M1F4YFMGy1arNSPZyTE-wqP48jPziIVGD64W

Then progressives wonder why Solyndra went bankrupt.

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ZVUGKTUBM

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Then progressives wonder why Solyndra went bankrupt.

Solyndra is just another wingnut talking point--it too was an aberration. The entire solar power industry is not defined by Solyndra. If you are not yet using solar-power on your farm, you one-day will.

In the Midwest, farmers leading the way on solar power
http://www.midwestenergynews.com/2014/01/27/in-the-midwest-farmers-leading-the-way-on-solar-power/

Solar installations have been taking off in many areas of the Midwest, but perhaps nowhere more so than in farm country.

“It’s a huge buzz now throughout the agriculture industry'....”

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It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFJUl4I6RpO5IifaQYicls8PlZvsQoKftZfUje6lxT4urK4Qgrjg

So long as it's heavily subsidized by the government of course the large corporate farms will be interested in solar energy. Just like they were with ethanol production and wind power, and the government subsidies that went with them. Lining the pockets of the large corporates is what the government does best.

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It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEJCBvS9ySMhYvC8GwMmfoKkTg30CZwSgFBk69rgU-NkgQHFnz

However if the subsidies stop and the cash flow just isn't there to run that kind of renewable energy system those large corporate farms won't keep them running and it'll be...

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...as they cut expenses.

Markle

Markle

ONCE AGAIN the GREENIES, led by our own Socialist/Communist WORDSLINGER...SWINGS...AND MISSES!

Typical of uninformed Progressives, they believe the more workers used to complete a task, the better.  Regardless of the NEED or EFFICIENCY.

Here my good friend Wordslinger, touts the greatness of employing twice the number of workers to produce the Solar Power (0.23%) used in our country as are used to produce the Coal Power (39%) consumed by our country.

According to Wordslinger, and his comrades, we should do away with fossil fuel powered street sweepers operated by ONE person and hire hundreds of workers, pay them each as much as the driver of the street sweeper, give them all brooms and presto, thousands more employed at "living wages"

What is U.S. electricity generation by energy source?

In 2013, the United States generated about 4,058 billion kilowatt hours of electricity.  About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuel (coal, natural gas, and petroleum), with 39% attributed from coal.

In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were
• Coal 39%
• Natural Gas 27%
• Nuclear 19%
• Hydropower 7%
• Other Renewable 6% • Biomass 1.48%
• Geothermal 0.41%
• Solar 0.23%
• Wind 4.13%

• Petroleum 1%
• Other Gases < 1%

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

You just can't make these things up!

Again, allow me to help my good friend Wordslinger by providing him with his much beloved symbol of his signature, the famous train, Amerika, the private train of Wordslinger's idol, Adolph Hitler!

It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.! AdolphHitlerandSocialist_zps33c21341

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

According to our corporate flunky Markle, coal is used to produce 37% of the electricity in America.

That's now, and certainly not tomorrow. Coal is also the most polluting form of energy production.

But since Markle's main interest is to help our biggest, most bloodsucking energy corporations increase their profits, regardless of the harm to the environment (in Markle's depressing, perverted world, profits are the only things that count). American lives have never mattered to our government for sale leaders, and they certainly don't matter to folks like Exxon, Shell, Texaco, or that great friend of America British Petroleum.

Like I said above, fossil fuels are slowly being replaced by cleaner energy sources. Even with the rabid help of corporate flunkies like Markle, the oil companies are doomed. One wonders why Markle hates the majority of Americans so much.

But it's good to know your enemies!

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

I forgot to respond to Markle's jaded view of jobs for Americans -- The thrust of this thread was to show that Solar energy employs twice as many American workers as there are coal minors.

Coal is dying as an energy source, and as an employer the Solar industry has really just begun.

Once again, using Markle as an example, it's clear that rabidly hard right republicans don't give a damn about jobs unless, of course, the subject is the Keystone pipeline!

Reality.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

....as an employer the Solar industry has really just begun....

You know that semi-retired poster Markle will waste no opportunity to try and politicize just about any thread...... Razz

Solar has a big, big future. The current low price of oil is a fleeting aberration, looking at the big picture. No one should be shocked when oil eventually crosses $250 (or more) per barrel. The price of fossil-fuel generated electricity will eventually exceed the price of generating power directly from the sun, and that is where you will see crossover occur. This will happen before the next 50 years has passed.

At some point, the petroleum we pump out of the ground will be used to make the composites/plastics used to manufacture solar panels for collecting electrons from the sun.

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It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyWAqMA3esXkKKJOgF4RTL0FLztI-4EL13YBTfXntTjHXQ9hRa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies

Allocation of subsidies in the United States

On March 13, 2013, Terry M. Dinan, senior advisor at the Congressional Budget Office, testified before the Subcommittee on Energy of the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology in the U.S. House of Representatives that federal energy tax subsidies would cost $16.4 billion that fiscal year, broken down as follows:

1.Renewable energy: $7.3 billion (45 percent)
2.Energy efficiency: $4.8 billion (29 percent)
3.Fossil fuels: $3.2 billion (20 percent)
4.Nuclear energy: $1.1 billion (7 percent)

In addition, Dinan testified that the U.S. Department of Energy would spend an additional $3.4 billion on financial Support for energy technologies and energy efficiency, broken down as follows:

1.Energy efficiency and renewable energy: $1.7 billion (51 percent)
2.Nuclear energy: $0.7 billion (22 percent)
3.Fossil energy research & development: $0.5 billion (15 percent)
4.Advanced Research Projects Agency—Energy: $0.3 billion (8 percent)
5.Electricity delivery and energy reliability: $0.1 billion (4 percent)

********************************************************

A 2009 study by the Environmental Law Institute[21] assessed the size and structure of U.S. energy subsidies in 2002–08. The study estimated that subsidies to fossil fuel-based sources totaled about $72 billion over this period and subsidies to renewable fuel sources totaled $29 billion. The study did not assess subsidies supporting nuclear energy.

The three largest fossil fuel subsidies were:
1.Foreign tax credit ($15.3 billion)
2.Credit for production of non-conventional fuels ($14.1 billion)
3.Oil and Gas exploration and development expensing ($7.1 billion)

The three largest renewable fuel subsidies were:
1.Alcohol Credit for Fuel Excise Tax ($11.6 billion)
2.Renewable Electricity Production Credit ($5.2 billion)
3.Corn-Based Ethanol ($5.0 billion)


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Wind is still growing. It will pass hydro in the next decade. This is remarkable. Also, when the farmers jump on board......renewable is here. The midwest grain fields are filling with wind turbines. However, the more they use renewables, the more their grain prices may be negatively impacted as oil demand drops, and as oil demand drops the price drops, and the economic utility of ethanol goes from not very smart to box of rocks stupid.

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It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBOzcryUR8TeqUy3EngY11-G7CXyf7_IB-O8Z6_8JetvadeImbpA

Approximately $10 billion in subsidies a year for renewable energy production when it's at only 8-9% of total energy produced... Probably $125 billion a year... Oh hell call it $150 billion a year in subsidies for renewable energy if we go 100% production...

Looks like we'll have no problem lining the 1%'s pockets.

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Markle

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Wordslinger wrote:I forgot to respond to Markle's jaded view of jobs for Americans -- The thrust of this thread was to show that Solar energy employs twice as many American workers as there are coal minors.

Coal is dying as an energy source, and as an employer the Solar industry has really just begun.  

Once again, using Markle as an example, it's clear that rabidly hard right republicans don't give a damn about jobs unless, of course, the subject is the Keystone pipeline!

Reality.

No REALITY at all.

Typical of my Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger, he repeats here. The more people you can use to do a job the better. Regardless of the efficiency. May I repeat....

According to Wordslinger, and his comrades, we should do away with fossil fuel powered street sweepers operated by ONE person and hire hundreds of workers, pay them each as much as the driver of the street sweeper, give them all brooms and presto, thousands more employed at "living wages"

Gee...and they can't figure out why Socialism/Communism is a failure.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:I forgot to respond to Markle's jaded view of jobs for Americans -- The thrust of this thread was to show that Solar energy employs twice as many American workers as there are coal minors.

Coal is dying as an energy source, and as an employer the Solar industry has really just begun.  

Once again, using Markle as an example, it's clear that rabidly hard right republicans don't give a damn about jobs unless, of course, the subject is the Keystone pipeline!

Reality.

No REALITY at all.

Typical of my Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger, he repeats here.  The more people you can use to do a job the better.  Regardless of the efficiency.  May I repeat....

According to Wordslinger, and his comrades, we should do away with fossil fuel powered street sweepers operated by ONE person and hire hundreds of workers, pay them each as much as the driver of the street sweeper, give them all brooms and presto, thousands more employed at "living wages"

Gee...and they can't figure out why Socialism/Communism is a failure.


You sure can make up a lot of shit Markle. Show me where I or my "comrades" said we should do away with one-man street sweepers, etc.

Crapola, as usual.

The reason there are more people working in solar than are mining coal is because Solor power is growing and requires more people in production of equipment and in research and installation services. And I know you would prefer that there are less jobs for Americans, but it's your right -- you and your right wing comrades to hate workers.

For now.

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It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsumqetIMlBwvxfY5JuYVbj4eShHn2mI9ruW4nfLJk1Qj0cJSn6g

However creating a lot of jobs for something that's not cost effective and most likely won't be anytime soon, burning and looting a town because there's a disagreement with law enforcement and government while leaving the courthouse and police station alone, subsidizing the banks(?????), giving large retail corporates tax abatements and other tax incentives, blowing up wedding parties for one or two suspected terrorists, etc... are pretty Crazy Eddie ideas...

http://everything2.com/title/Crazy+Eddie

...but then that's the progressive mentality.

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Damaged Eagle wrote:It turns out there are twice as many Solar workers than coal miners in the U.S.! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsumqetIMlBwvxfY5JuYVbj4eShHn2mI9ruW4nfLJk1Qj0cJSn6g

However creating a lot of jobs for something that's not cost effective and most likely won't be anytime soon, burning and looting a town because there's a disagreement with law enforcement and government while leaving the courthouse and police station alone, subsidizing the banks(?????), giving large retail corporates tax abatements and other tax incentives, blowing up wedding parties for one or two suspected terrorists, etc... are pretty Crazy Eddie ideas...

http://everything2.com/title/Crazy+Eddie

...but then that's the progressive mentality.

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Really. 1st, as we said, the Solar industry is growing quickly and is making money and profit now. The growth requires and supports workers, but from your comments, it's obvious you don't care much for seeing people become gainfully employed. Why is that?

Burning a town really isn't a progressive thing at all. It's a black/white thing. I doubt very much that most of the officers there in their cute little Ninja outfits, with their darling little machineguns, and their smart M-RAPS were liberals. And it's very clear that very few of the African Americans there who were facing them ever vote or participate in the great American political spectrum.

Subsidizing banks started with your team, remember?

As for tax abatements, there have been absolutely none in the last two decades I think, that the republicans didn't support. And cutting corporate taxes further is part of their current whacko legislative agenda.

Blowing up wedding parties has been approved, you know, by both parties, but I agree with you it accomplishes very little for the good ole USA.


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Wordslinger wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:

However creating a lot of jobs for something that's not cost effective and most likely won't be anytime soon, burning and looting a town because there's a disagreement with law enforcement and government while leaving the courthouse and police station alone, subsidizing the banks(?????), giving large retail corporates tax abatements and other tax incentives, blowing up wedding parties for one or two suspected terrorists, etc... are pretty Crazy Eddie ideas...

http://everything2.com/title/Crazy+Eddie

...but then that's the progressive mentality.

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Really.  1st, as we said, the Solar industry is growing quickly and is making money and profit now.  The growth requires and supports workers, but from your comments, it's obvious you don't care much for seeing people become gainfully employed.  Why is that?

The subsidies to keep this industry going suggests that the profits are all in the subsidies provided by the government.

Wordslinger wrote:Burning a town really isn't a progressive thing at all.  It's a black/white thing.  I doubt very much that most of the officers there in their cute little Ninja outfits, with their darling little machineguns, and their smart M-RAPS were liberals.  And it's very clear that very few of the African Americans there who were facing them ever vote or participate in the great American political spectrum.

Got it. Joe beats you up so you burn down Sally's house in reprisal.

Wordslinger wrote:Subsidizing banks started with your team, remember?

Which team would that be?

Wordslinger wrote:As for tax abatements, there have been absolutely none in the last two decades I think, that the republicans didn't support.  And cutting corporate taxes further is part of their current whacko legislative agenda.

Your point?

Wordslinger wrote:Blowing up wedding parties has been approved, you know, by both parties, but I agree with you it accomplishes very little for the good ole USA.

Other than make more people pissed at us.

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