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Justice Department will be asked to investigate Bush and Cheney for war crimes!

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2seaoat
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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

If some of us are above the law, then there is NO law.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/opinion/prosecute-torturers-and-their-bosses.html?smid=re-share&_r=1

2seaoat



The NY times editorial Board will not get it done. It would have to take a bipartisan group from congress requesting an investigation.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Is that the same Justice department that ran guns to the cartels in Mexico and is responsible for thousands of dead people killed by those guns ?...yeah that's about right ...pot meet kettle.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Since the day President Obama took office, he has failed to bring to justice anyone responsible for the torture of terrorism suspects — an official government program conceived and carried out in the years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

He did allow his Justice Department to investigate the C.I.A.'s destruction of videotapes of torture sessions and those who may have gone beyond the torture techniques authorized by President George W. Bush. But the investigation did not lead to any charges being filed, or even any accounting of why they were not filed.

Mr. Obama has said multiple times that “we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards,” as though the two were incompatible. They are not. The nation cannot move forward in any meaningful way without coming to terms, legally and morally, with the abhorrent acts that were authorized, given a false patina of legality, and committed by American men and women from the highest levels of government on down.

Americans have known about many of these acts for years, but the 524-page executive summary of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s report erases any lingering doubt about their depravity and illegality: In addition to new revelations of sadistic tactics like “rectal feeding,” scores of detainees were waterboarded, hung by their wrists, confined in coffins, sleep-deprived, threatened with death or brutally beaten. In November 2002, one detainee who was chained to a concrete floor died of “suspected hypothermia.”

These are, simply, crimes. They are prohibited by federal law, which defines torture as the intentional infliction of “severe physical or mental pain or suffering.” They are also banned by the Convention Against Torture, the international treaty that the United States ratified in 1994 and that requires prosecution of any acts of torture.

So it is no wonder that today’s blinkered apologists are desperate to call these acts anything but torture, which they clearly were. As the report reveals, these claims fail for a simple reason: C.I.A. officials admitted at the time that what they intended to do was illegal.

In July 2002, C.I.A. lawyers told the Justice Department that the agency needed to use “more aggressive methods” of interrogation that would “otherwise be prohibited by the torture statute.” They asked the department to promise not to prosecute those who used these methods. When the department refused, they shopped around for the answer they wanted. They got it from the ideologically driven lawyers in the Office of Legal Counsel, who wrote memos fabricating a legal foundation for the methods. Government officials now rely on the memos as proof that they sought and received legal clearance for their actions. But the report changes the game: We now know that this reliance was not made in good faith.

No amount of legal pretzel logic can justify the behavior detailed in the report. Indeed, it is impossible to read it and conclude that no one can be held accountable. At the very least, Mr. Obama needs to authorize a full and independent criminal investigation.

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The American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights Watch are to give Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. a letter Monday calling for appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate what appears increasingly to be “a vast criminal conspiracy, under color of law, to commit torture and other serious crimes.”


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The question everyone will want answered, of course, is: Who should be held accountable? That will depend on what an investigation finds, and as hard as it is to imagine Mr. Obama having the political courage to order a new investigation, it is harder to imagine a criminal probe of the actions of a former president.

But any credible investigation should include former Vice President Dick Cheney; Mr. Cheney’s chief of staff, David Addington; the former C.I.A. director George Tenet; and John Yoo and Jay Bybee, the Office of Legal Counsel lawyers who drafted what became known as the torture memos. There are many more names that could be considered, including Jose Rodriguez Jr., the C.I.A. official who ordered the destruction of the videotapes; the psychologists who devised the torture regimen; and the C.I.A. employees who carried out that regimen.

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Starting a criminal investigation is not about payback; it is about ensuring that this never happens again and regaining the moral credibility to rebuke torture by other governments. Because of the Senate’s report, we now know the distance officials in the executive branch went to rationalize, and conceal, the crimes they wanted to commit. The question is whether the nation will stand by and allow the perpetrators of torture to have perpetual immunity for their actions.

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So true, and so well stated it needed to appear here.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Is that the same Justice department that ran guns to the cartels in Mexico and is responsible for thousands of dead people killed by those guns ?...yeah that's about right ...pot meet kettle.

Are you defending Bush, Cheney et al?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Floridatexan wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Is that the same Justice department that ran guns to the cartels in Mexico and is responsible for thousands of dead people killed by those guns ?...yeah that's about right ...pot meet kettle.

Are you defending Bush, Cheney et al?
Bush Cheney Obama Holder Rumsfeld.....throw them all behind bars for torture and killing civilians.....we are NOT at war we are just killing whoever we want....WTF !

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

ACLU and Human Rights Watch are calling for a special prosecutor.

The European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights has filed a criminal complaint against members of the Bush administration.

http://www.liberalamerica.org/2014/12/21/democracy-and-corruption-germany-files-war-crimes/

http://ccrjustice.org/Bush-torture-indictment-Switzerland

Guest


Guest

Let's hang em all at the national mall.

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/targeted-killings

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/relative-americans-killed-drone-strikes-no-justice-us-courts

http://rt.com/usa/178252-obama-criminal-israel-cornel-west/

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/obama-administration-drone-strikes-war-crimes

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/usa-must-be-held-account-drone-killings-pakistan-2013-10-22

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/12/05/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-drones-kill-28-innocents-for-every-bad-guy/#.VInLzMq2VBM

One example is Qari Hussain, who was a deputy commander of the Pakistani Taliban. A Hellfire missile fired by one of Obama’s Predator drones blew up Hussain on Oct. 15 , 2010. To the president, this was a success.

What the White House doesn’t say, however, is there were five previous drone attacks against Hussain. All five failed, killing scores of innocent people.“For the death of a man whom practically no American can name, the U.S. killed 128 people, 13 of them children, none of whom it meant to harm.”

The 128 civilians-to-one-militant death ratio doesn’t even address the legality of targeting Hussain himself, in violation of a 30 -year-old executive order banning political assassinations, not to mention the long-standing U.S. political tradition prohibiting such actions. All drone assassinations are illegal, but the sloppiness of this program is insane.

Al-Qaida leader Ayman Zawahiri, for example, has survived two drone attacks that killed 76 children and 29 adults.

According to Reprieve’s analysis as of Nov. 24th, 1,147 people were killed in attempts to kill 41 men.

“Drone strikes have been sold to the American public on the claim that they’re ‘precise,” Jennifer Gibson of Reprieve told the Guardian. “But they are only as precise as the intelligence that feeds them.There is nothing precise about intelligence that results in the deaths of 28 unknown people, including women and children, for every “bad guy” the U.S. goes after.”

Guest


Guest

PkrBum wrote:Let's hang em all at the national mall...

Justice Department will be asked to investigate Bush and Cheney for war crimes! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROm4UIsoB-G9vAwHWtDA9U-ABepr175kLNTReppoZNJOcdT1K5rA

Hey!!!!! Didn't I say something similar to this on another thread?.....

And the more progressive members around here say no one reads what I post.

No wonder the progressives want me...

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho

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Sal

Sal

We need Markle with his death porn pictures of bodies falling from the towers to tie this whole thread together.

gatorfan



Throw the current administration murderers in there too. Isn't there something a little illegal about a "kill list"?

We could have avoided all the so-called torture crap and GITMO prison B/S by using the Obama method - just kill them! Take no prisoners! So what if kids and women get in the line of fire! It only counts when Bush/Cheney did something.

What a bunch a laughable, ignorant hypocrites.......

Guest


Guest

Damaged Eagle wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Let's hang em all at the national mall...

Justice Department will be asked to investigate Bush and Cheney for war crimes! Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROm4UIsoB-G9vAwHWtDA9U-ABepr175kLNTReppoZNJOcdT1K5rA

Hey!!!!! Didn't I say something similar to this on another thread?.....

And the more progressive members around here say no one reads what I post.

No wonder the progressives want me...

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho

Very Happy

I've been saying that for years now... everytime flatex brings up this topic... which is often.

What is funny tho... is that she never has a response.

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