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Why Darren Wilson wasn't indicted

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1Why Darren Wilson wasn't indicted Empty Why Darren Wilson wasn't indicted 11/26/2014, 11:45 am

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http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted/

Justified Use of Force
The facts of the case showed that under Missouri law — and in accordance with Supreme Court precedent — Officer Wilson was justified in shooting Michael Brown.

In fact, compared to other police use-of-force cases, this incident was pretty simple and pretty easy to evaluate. Under Missouri law, a police officer is authorized to use force in self-defense (when in fear of death or great bodily harm to himself or another person) and to effect an arrest or prevent escape under certain prescribed conditions. Further, the City of Ferguson Police Department’s use of force policy (section 410.01) states:

“An officer may use lethal force only when the officer reasonably believes that the action is in defense of human life, including the officer's own life.”

Two court cases likely had some bearing in the grand jury’s decision-making process:

1. In Jones v. City of St. Louis, 92 F.Supp.2d 949 (E.D. Mo., 2000) the federal district court, in a lawsuit from the police use of deadly force, held that the use of deadly force is reasonable where the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or others.

2. In Fitzgerald v. Patrick, 927 F.2d 1037 (8th Cir., 1991) the 8th circuit federal court of appeals, in another police use-of-force case out of Missouri, said law enforcement officers are justified in using deadly force in self-defense or in defense of a third person if a reasonable person in similar circumstance would believe it was necessary.

Still, the person who knows woefully little about police work will ask, “How can an officer be in fear of death or great bodily harm from an unarmed teenager?”

It really boils down to two things: An unarmed assailant can legitimately threaten life or great bodily harm to another person — even an officer — and an objectively reasonable officer in a similar position to Wilson would have done what Wilson did.

I agree!

The Dude

The Dude

This is so absurd as to be laughable exactly....no one argues there was a fight at the cruiser or that there was a robery and that the perp was running away. Only at the end ans even then enough witnesses agree with the police account, it's open shut end

Sal

Sal

Vikingwoman wrote:http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted/

Justified Use of Force
The facts of the case showed that under Missouri law — and in accordance with Supreme Court precedent — Officer Wilson was justified in shooting Michael Brown.

In fact, compared to other police use-of-force cases, this incident was pretty simple and pretty easy to evaluate. Under Missouri law, a police officer is authorized to use force in self-defense (when in fear of death or great bodily harm to himself or another person) and to effect an arrest or prevent escape under certain prescribed conditions. Further, the City of Ferguson Police Department’s use of force policy (section 410.01) states:

“An officer may use lethal force only when the officer reasonably believes that the action is in defense of human life, including the officer's own life.”

Two court cases likely had some bearing in the grand jury’s decision-making process:

1. In Jones v. City of St. Louis, 92 F.Supp.2d 949 (E.D. Mo., 2000) the federal district court, in a lawsuit from the police use of deadly force, held that the use of deadly force is reasonable where the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or others.

2. In Fitzgerald v. Patrick, 927 F.2d 1037 (8th Cir., 1991) the 8th circuit federal court of appeals, in another police use-of-force case out of Missouri, said law enforcement officers are justified in using deadly force in self-defense or in defense of a third person if a reasonable person in similar circumstance would believe it was necessary.

Still, the person who knows woefully little about police work will ask, “How can an officer be in fear of death or great bodily harm from an unarmed teenager?”

It really boils down to two things: An unarmed assailant can legitimately threaten life or great bodily harm to another person — even an officer — and an objectively reasonable officer in a similar position to Wilson would have done what Wilson did.

I agree!

The SCOTUS has ruled that laws like the one you cite may be a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The law has not been used to justify police conduct in Missouri since that ruling.

That is until McCulloch's little circus where he informed the grand jury of the law, but failed to mention it may be unconstitutional.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Vikingwoman wrote:http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted/

Justified Use of Force
The facts of the case showed that under Missouri law — and in accordance with Supreme Court precedent — Officer Wilson was justified in shooting Michael Brown.

In fact, compared to other police use-of-force cases, this incident was pretty simple and pretty easy to evaluate. Under Missouri law, a police officer is authorized to use force in self-defense (when in fear of death or great bodily harm to himself or another person) and to effect an arrest or prevent escape under certain prescribed conditions. Further, the City of Ferguson Police Department’s use of force policy (section 410.01) states:

“An officer may use lethal force only when the officer reasonably believes that the action is in defense of human life, including the officer's own life.”

Two court cases likely had some bearing in the grand jury’s decision-making process:

1. In Jones v. City of St. Louis, 92 F.Supp.2d 949 (E.D. Mo., 2000) the federal district court, in a lawsuit from the police use of deadly force, held that the use of deadly force is reasonable where the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or others.

2. In Fitzgerald v. Patrick, 927 F.2d 1037 (8th Cir., 1991) the 8th circuit federal court of appeals, in another police use-of-force case out of Missouri, said law enforcement officers are justified in using deadly force in self-defense or in defense of a third person if a reasonable person in similar circumstance would believe it was necessary.

Still, the person who knows woefully little about police work will ask, “How can an officer be in fear of death or great bodily harm from an unarmed teenager?”

It really boils down to two things: An unarmed assailant can legitimately threaten life or great bodily harm to another person — even an officer — and an objectively reasonable officer in a similar position to Wilson would have done what Wilson did.

I agree!


You omit mentioning that the only witness favored by McCulloch when the latter brought her before the Grand Jury, is an admitted racist -- see my comment elsewhere in today's Forum.

If Brown did have his hands up, and was trying to submit when the frightened white cop shot him to death, then the cop should be tried for the crime of murder or manslaughter.

The confused, twisted, satirical announcement of the Grand Jury verdict by the white DA whose dad was gunned down on the job by a black assailant, included specific mention of the testimony of witness No. 10.

The case is anything but closed, and McCulloch's twisted manipulation of the Grand Jury in order to defend Wilson is unraveling fast.

Film at eleven ....

polecat

polecat

I'm with Alex Jones on this one...
Its all a False Flag
false flag
false flag
no riot no riot
false flag

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Wordslinger wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted/

Justified Use of Force
The facts of the case showed that under Missouri law — and in accordance with Supreme Court precedent — Officer Wilson was justified in shooting Michael Brown.

In fact, compared to other police use-of-force cases, this incident was pretty simple and pretty easy to evaluate. Under Missouri law, a police officer is authorized to use force in self-defense (when in fear of death or great bodily harm to himself or another person) and to effect an arrest or prevent escape under certain prescribed conditions. Further, the City of Ferguson Police Department’s use of force policy (section 410.01) states:

“An officer may use lethal force only when the officer reasonably believes that the action is in defense of human life, including the officer's own life.”

Two court cases likely had some bearing in the grand jury’s decision-making process:

1. In Jones v. City of St. Louis, 92 F.Supp.2d 949 (E.D. Mo., 2000) the federal district court, in a lawsuit from the police use of deadly force, held that the use of deadly force is reasonable where the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or others.

2. In Fitzgerald v. Patrick, 927 F.2d 1037 (8th Cir., 1991) the 8th circuit federal court of appeals, in another police use-of-force case out of Missouri, said law enforcement officers are justified in using deadly force in self-defense or in defense of a third person if a reasonable person in similar circumstance would believe it was necessary.

Still, the person who knows woefully little about police work will ask, “How can an officer be in fear of death or great bodily harm from an unarmed teenager?”

It really boils down to two things: An unarmed assailant can legitimately threaten life or great bodily harm to another person — even an officer — and an objectively reasonable officer in a similar position to Wilson would have done what Wilson did.

I agree!


You omit mentioning that the only witness favored by McCulloch when the latter brought her before the Grand Jury, is an admitted racist -- see my comment elsewhere in today's Forum.

If Brown did have his hands up,
and was trying to submit when the frightened white cop shot him to death, then the cop should be tried for the crime of murder or manslaughter.

The confused, twisted, satirical announcement of the Grand Jury verdict by the white DA whose dad was gunned down on the job by a black assailant, included specific mention of the testimony of witness No. 10.

The case is anything but closed, and McCulloch's twisted manipulation of the Grand Jury in order to defend Wilson is unraveling fast.

Film at eleven ....

And if the violent black man had his hands up whilecharging the officer, so he could finish him off........no crime was committed by the cop.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Joanimaroni wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted/

Justified Use of Force
The facts of the case showed that under Missouri law — and in accordance with Supreme Court precedent — Officer Wilson was justified in shooting Michael Brown.

In fact, compared to other police use-of-force cases, this incident was pretty simple and pretty easy to evaluate. Under Missouri law, a police officer is authorized to use force in self-defense (when in fear of death or great bodily harm to himself or another person) and to effect an arrest or prevent escape under certain prescribed conditions. Further, the City of Ferguson Police Department’s use of force policy (section 410.01) states:

“An officer may use lethal force only when the officer reasonably believes that the action is in defense of human life, including the officer's own life.”

Two court cases likely had some bearing in the grand jury’s decision-making process:

1. In Jones v. City of St. Louis, 92 F.Supp.2d 949 (E.D. Mo., 2000) the federal district court, in a lawsuit from the police use of deadly force, held that the use of deadly force is reasonable where the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or others.

2. In Fitzgerald v. Patrick, 927 F.2d 1037 (8th Cir., 1991) the 8th circuit federal court of appeals, in another police use-of-force case out of Missouri, said law enforcement officers are justified in using deadly force in self-defense or in defense of a third person if a reasonable person in similar circumstance would believe it was necessary.

Still, the person who knows woefully little about police work will ask, “How can an officer be in fear of death or great bodily harm from an unarmed teenager?”

It really boils down to two things: An unarmed assailant can legitimately threaten life or great bodily harm to another person — even an officer — and an objectively reasonable officer in a similar position to Wilson would have done what Wilson did.

I agree!


You omit mentioning that the only witness favored by McCulloch when the latter brought her before the Grand Jury, is an admitted racist -- see my comment elsewhere in today's Forum.

If Brown did have his hands up,
and was trying to submit when the frightened white cop shot him to death, then the cop should be tried for the crime of murder or manslaughter.

The confused, twisted, satirical announcement of the Grand Jury verdict by the white DA whose dad was gunned down on the job by a black assailant, included specific mention of the testimony of witness No. 10.

The case is anything but closed, and McCulloch's twisted manipulation of the Grand Jury in order to defend Wilson is unraveling fast.

Film at eleven ....

And if the violent black man had his hands up whilecharging the officer, so he could finish him off........no crime was committed by the cop.


So how do we - people who weren't there - decide what actually happened? Couldn't we ask the witnesses who saw the event first hand? What do they* say?

* - the vast majority


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You can't even keep your side of an agreement... you have zero credibility determining a fair process.

Sal

Sal

PkrBum wrote:You can't even keep your side of an agreement... you have zero credibility determining a fair process.

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The only thing more pathetic than a punk that can't take a beating... is his twit butt buddy.

Sal

Sal

PkrBum wrote:The only thing more pathetic than a punk that can't take a beating... is his twit butt buddy.

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Let's see how this works in leftistville... you agree to an election... then welch... but that turns into a macho move?

What a pathetic bunch of wussies y'all are. One day the leftist tactics will come full circle... the screams will be shrill.

Markle

Markle

Vikingwoman wrote:http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted/

It really boils down to two things: An unarmed assailant can legitimately threaten life or great bodily harm to another person — even an officer — and an objectively reasonable officer in a similar position to Wilson would have done what Wilson did.

I agree!

It is simpler than that. Mr. Wilson did nothing illegal. He protected himself and there were numerous witnesses who saw the same thing.

The Dude

The Dude

Wow I agree with markle?

there is also an audio tape, and blood splatters investigated by the feds. Also the witnesses all heard the Officer order the assailant to stop three times.
Clearly he did not.

By the time of the shooting poor Michael had comitted 3 felonies and was going down for about 15 years and he knew it.

This was not this thugs first rodeo.....

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

The Dude wrote:Wow I agree with markle?

there is also an audio tape, and blood splatters investigated by the feds. Also the witnesses all heard the Officer order the assailant to stop three times.
Clearly he did not.

By the time of the shooting poor Michael had comitted 3 felonies and was going down for about 15 years and he knew it.

This was not this thugs first rodeo.....

Good point!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Joanimaroni wrote:
The Dude wrote:Wow I agree with markle?

there is also an audio tape, and blood splatters investigated by the feds. Also the witnesses all heard the Officer order the assailant to stop three times.
Clearly he did not.

By the time of the shooting poor Michael had comitted 3 felonies and was going down for about 15 years and he knew it.

This was not this thugs first rodeo.....

Good point!

Felony NO 1: Shoplifting
Felony No 2: Assaulting an aggressive white cop
Felony No 3: Asking the cop to stop shooting

Reality.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:
The Dude wrote:Wow I agree with markle?

there is also an audio tape, and blood splatters investigated by the feds. Also the witnesses all heard the Officer order the assailant to stop three times.
Clearly he did not.

By the time of the shooting poor Michael had comitted 3 felonies and was going down for about 15 years and he knew it.

This was not this thugs first rodeo.....

Good point!

Felony NO 1:  Shoplifting
Felony No 2:  Assaulting an aggressive white cop
Felony No 3:  Asking the cop to stop shooting

Reality.

You're so cute when you're frustrated and desperate.

Felony No. 1. News agencies are using the FOIA to secure his juvenile record. There are very strong rumors that he has an arrest for manslaughter.

Felony No. 2. At least. Not shoplifting, strong armed robbery and assault.

Felony No. 3. Assaulting a police officer

Felony No. 4. Resisting arrest with force

Probably numerous others had he survived and BROWN went to trial.

Several witnesses testified that Brown was charging the officer while the officer shouted for him to stop and get on the ground. THAT testimony, NOT that of the liars who said he had his hands up, was supported by all the forensic evidence from the two autopsies. Including the one paid for by the family.

By the way, those who said immediately after the shooting that Brown was on his knees with his hands up saying don't shoot, don't shoot. I take it you DO know that they suddenly had a grand awakening when the autopsy results came out. Suddenly they changed their stories rather than face charges of perjury.


Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:
The Dude wrote:Wow I agree with markle?

there is also an audio tape, and blood splatters investigated by the feds. Also the witnesses all heard the Officer order the assailant to stop three times.
Clearly he did not.

By the time of the shooting poor Michael had comitted 3 felonies and was going down for about 15 years and he knew it.

This was not this thugs first rodeo.....

Good point!

Felony NO 1:  Shoplifting
Felony No 2:  Assaulting an aggressive white cop
Felony No 3:  Asking the cop to stop shooting

Reality.

You're so cute when you're frustrated and desperate.

Felony No. 1.  News agencies are using the FOIA to secure his juvenile record.  There are very strong rumors that he has an arrest for manslaughter.

Felony No. 2.  At least.  Not shoplifting, strong armed robbery and assault.

Felony No. 3.  Assaulting a police officer

Felony No. 4.  Resisting arrest with force

Probably numerous others had he survived and BROWN went to trial.

Several witnesses testified that Brown was charging the officer while the officer shouted for him to stop and get on the ground.  THAT testimony, NOT that of the liars who said he had his hands up, was supported by all the forensic evidence from the two autopsies.  Including the one paid for by the family.

By the way, those who said immediately after the shooting that Brown was on his knees with his hands up saying don't shoot, don't shoot.  I take it you DO know that they suddenly had a grand awakening when the autopsy results came out.  Suddenly they changed their stories rather than face charges of perjury.



A forensic expert was interviewed on TV this morning who pointed out that the bullet wounds on Brown's arm could only have happened if that arm was in a raised position.

Reality.

Screw Amerika Inc.! -- Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:
The Dude wrote:Wow I agree with markle?

there is also an audio tape, and blood splatters investigated by the feds. Also the witnesses all heard the Officer order the assailant to stop three times.
Clearly he did not.

By the time of the shooting poor Michael had comitted 3 felonies and was going down for about 15 years and he knew it.

This was not this thugs first rodeo.....

Good point!

Felony NO 1:  Shoplifting
Felony No 2:  Assaulting an aggressive white cop
Felony No 3:  Asking the cop to stop shooting

Reality.

You're so cute when you're frustrated and desperate.

Felony No. 1.  News agencies are using the FOIA to secure his juvenile record.  There are very strong rumors that he has an arrest for manslaughter.

Felony No. 2.  At least.  Not shoplifting, strong armed robbery and assault.

Felony No. 3.  Assaulting a police officer

Felony No. 4.  Resisting arrest with force

Probably numerous others had he survived and BROWN went to trial.

Several witnesses testified that Brown was charging the officer while the officer shouted for him to stop and get on the ground.  THAT testimony, NOT that of the liars who said he had his hands up, was supported by all the forensic evidence from the two autopsies.  Including the one paid for by the family.

By the way, those who said immediately after the shooting that Brown was on his knees with his hands up saying don't shoot, don't shoot.  I take it you DO know that they suddenly had a grand awakening when the autopsy results came out.  Suddenly they changed their stories rather than face charges of perjury.



A forensic expert was interviewed on TV this morning who pointed out that the bullet wounds on Brown's arm could only have happened if that arm was in a raised position.

Reality.  

Screw Amerika Inc.! -- Corporate control of our government through campaign financing.

Funny that you continue to blame everyone else and not the true moron here....Michael Brown

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