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A Plan B for Iraq

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1A Plan B for Iraq Empty A Plan B for Iraq 6/20/2014, 8:41 am

gatorfan



Fareed Zakeria ought to be the administrations chief strategist for Middle East policy. I think he has a good idea.

"An enclave strategy for Iraq"

Can Iraq hold together? It’s worth examining what is happening in that country through a broader prism. If you had looked at the Middle East 15 years ago, you would have seen a string of strikingly similar regimes — from Libya and Tunisia in the west to Syria and Iraq in the east. They were all dictatorships. They were all secular, in the sense that they did not derive their legitimacy from religious identity. Historically, they had all been supported by outside powers — first the British and French, then the superpowers — which meant that these rulers worried more about pleasing patrons abroad than currying favor at home. And they had secure borders.

Today, across the region, from Libya to Syria, that structure of authority has collapsed and people are reaching for their older identities — Sunni, Shiite, Kurd. Sectarian groups, often Islamist, have filled the power vacuum, spilling over borders and spreading violence. In Iraq and elsewhere, no amount of U.S. military power can put Humpty Dumpty back together.

There are exceptions. Algeria remains an old-fashioned secular dictatorship. Egypt, perhaps the longest-functioning state in the world, has reasserted the old order by using force. The Gulf monarchies — Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates — have withstood the turmoil partly because of greater legitimacy and mostly because of massive patronage systems. And most hopefully, Morocco, Jordan and Tunisia have reformed enough to keep revolutionaries at bay.

The old order was probably unsustainable. It rested on extreme suppression, which was producing extreme opposition movements, and on superpower patronage, which couldn’t last. The countries with significant sectarian divides and in which minority groups ruled — Iraq and Syria — became the most vulnerable.

Let’s be clear. The Iraq war was the crucial trigger, and the U.S. occupation needlessly exacerbated sectarian identities rather than building national ones. But once the old order broke, Iraq’s Shiites, who had been suppressed for decades, in some cases brutally, were not likely to sign up to share power easily with their former tormentors.

During and immediately after the surge — 2007-08 — Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki behaved differently. But if it took the danger of civil war, the presence of about 200,000 foreign troops, a particularly skilled American general (David Petraeus) and billions of dollars to force him to make nice for a brief while, it was unlikely to be a long-term arrangement.

It is doubtful that a Shiite government in Baghdad — using an increasingly Shiite army to defend itself — will ever fully regain the allegiance of the Sunnis. The Sunnis have done enough killing to keep the Shiites wary for decades. Washington has urged the Baghdad government to be inclusive. It has hinted that the best outcome would be a new Iraqi government with a broad coalition. That’s true, but it’s also unlikely. Washington needs a Plan B.

Plan B should be an enclave strategy. The United States should recognize that Iraq is turning into a country of enclaves and work to ensure that these regions stay as stable, terrorism-free and open as possible. The Kurdish enclave, bolstered by having captured the vital city of Kirkuk, is already a success story. The Shiite region of the south can be stable. It will be possible to work with countries such as Saudi Arabia and Jordan to influence the Sunni groups in the middle of the country, purging terrorists and empowering moderate Sunnis.

A comparable strategy in Syria would allow groups such as the Kurds and Sunnis to protect their own areas from Bashar al-Assad’s brutality but recognize that they will not be able to topple the regime. There will be places where the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and similar groups gain strength. In those areas, Washington would have to use drones, counterintelligence and occasional Special Operations forces strikes — just as it does in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. The world of enclaves already exists. Washington simply has to realize that parts of Iraq are now in it.

The polyglot Middle East has been dying for a while, but it is now on its last legs. Countries rich in minorities, such as Iraq, have seen their Christian populations flee or be massacred. Where minorities remain, communities are segregating themselves.

The United States can’t stop a tidal trend. What it can do is try to limit the fallout, bolster stable countries and zones, support those who believe in reconciliation, and protect itself and its friends.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fareed-zakaria-an-enclave-strategy-for-iraq/2014/06/19/e06d8938-f7ea-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html?hpid=z2

2A Plan B for Iraq Empty Re: A Plan B for Iraq 6/20/2014, 9:04 am

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I don't see how this plan helps because it plays off Muslims against other Muslims and while the Sunni and Shia hate each other, they will come together to fight a common enemy- whomever it might be. That was Bin Laden's major complaint along with occupying parts of the land they consider holy (presence in Saudi Arabia). We are still meddling in the affairs of those Muslim nations. Another of his complaints.

Z has been right that we need to get energy independent and totally cut our ties with these people that are extorting Western nation's oil use with threats of violence and such. Our historical hegemons are also letting us do all of the heavy lifting (war) and not doing their own part either to ensure that the energy resources the rest of the world needs flows freely. So, even if we become energy independent, we can't ensure our business partners in other nations that aren't independent of Middle Eastern oil are unaffected.

I'm all for fracking the crap out of wherever we can get oil. Nuke plants? Build the crap out of them, but left wing enviorwackos and they EPA won't let that happen. Natural gas? Go for it, but don't make the changes hurt American's economically as we move from coal and find a long term way for folks involved in the coal industry not to have the rug pulled out from under them or punish them financially while we make this transition. Current Obama rules from the EPA will pretty much screw over most the nation resulting in high utility bills in an era where most people are barely making ends meet as we speak. I'm not convinced on solar as something that is economically not peeing money away into the wind like we have found with Solyndra and other failed companies who extorted BILLIONS with promises of a miracle and nothing happened except to leave the taxpayers with the bills.


So, as long as our economies are TIED to those TIED to the teat of ME oil, we are going to be affected when the DIRKA DIRKAs have their civil wars and turmoil.

3A Plan B for Iraq Empty Re: A Plan B for Iraq 6/20/2014, 9:50 am

othershoe1030

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Well, here we have it in a nutshell. Superpowers intervening for economic gain under the guise of establishing stability or democracy or some other cloak of cover. The Brits long ago carved up the region along pretty lines on a map that had nothing to do with tribes or ethnic groupings and we wonder why things are a mess?

The sunni/shiite split has been going on since the death of Mohammad yet people used to live together, intermarry, carry on business etc. until relatively recently. Now we have huge turmoil in the region based on a long standing situation that used to not be a problem. We might ask why that is. The two sides now fight and can't create a government that includes followers of both sides. There is no conversation or trust upon which to build and find solutions, to govern.

The American political scene is also divided along party, if not religious lines thanks to specialized reporting of events tailor made for specific interest groups. Each group has its own set of facts and focus. There is no conversation or trust upon which to build and find solutions, to govern.

Neither of these situations has come about accidentally. They intend to divide the people into warring camps to dilute their political power. While we bicker and hurl accusations at each other the powers that be go merrily on their way to the bank. Ask yourself who is better off today than they were ten years ago? Who is making a profit? Who is sending their children to fight?

4A Plan B for Iraq Empty Re: A Plan B for Iraq 6/20/2014, 11:16 am

TEOTWAWKI

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5A Plan B for Iraq Empty Re: A Plan B for Iraq 6/20/2014, 2:48 pm

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:I don't see how this plan helps because it plays off Muslims against other Muslims and while the Sunni and Shia hate each other, they will come together to fight a common enemy- whomever it might be. That was Bin Laden's major complaint along with occupying parts of the land they consider holy (presence in Saudi Arabia). We are still meddling in the affairs of those Muslim nations. Another of his complaints.

Z has been right that we need to get energy independent and totally cut our ties with these people that are extorting Western nation's oil use with threats of violence and such. Our historical hegemons are also letting us do all of the heavy lifting (war) and not doing their own part either to ensure that the energy resources the rest of the world needs flows freely. So, even if we become energy independent, we can't ensure our business partners in other nations that aren't independent of Middle Eastern oil are unaffected.

I'm all for fracking the crap out of wherever we can get oil. Nuke plants? Build the crap out of them, but left wing enviorwackos and they EPA won't let that happen. Natural gas? Go for it, but don't make the changes hurt American's economically as we move from coal and find a long term way for folks involved in the coal industry not to have the rug pulled out from under them or punish them financially while we make this transition. Current Obama rules from the EPA will pretty much screw over most the nation resulting in high utility bills in an era where most people are barely making ends meet as we speak. I'm not convinced on solar as something that is economically not peeing money away into the wind like we have found with Solyndra and other failed companies who extorted BILLIONS with promises of a miracle and nothing happened except to leave the taxpayers with the bills.

So, as long as our economies are TIED to those TIED to the teat of ME oil, we are going to be affected when the DIRKA DIRKAs have their civil wars and turmoil.

Thank you, PaceDog. I am all for energy development wherever it can be economically done in the U.S. At the same time, we need to exploit all technologies that promote efficiency and which enable us to use less petroleum. We need to acknowledge the fact that the price of gasoline is headed north in due time, and find ways to adapt to this instead of pointing fingers at political opposites. Those who encompass the evolving energy future where you will pay more to use less will stand. Those who want to go back to the past will fall.

We should not discount the alternative energy strategies that will work. Solar will work; and Solyndra was an aberration not related to the technology, which is evolving so fast it will make your head spin.

North America is sitting pretty right now. Technology has enabled us to extract oil from tight shale formations. North Dakota is now producing a million barrels per day. The Texas Permian Basin, located in a 6 county area in West Texas, is sitting on potentially a 100 billion barrel shale reserve. Americans invented the means to extract oil from buried shale formations, and other nations are envious. Canada also has a huge reserve and we are their #1 customer.

A number one priority should be learning innovative ways to use less oil and run our economy with energy efficiency in mind.

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