Even Vermont single payer system launching Jan 2014 has problems

http://digital.vpr.net/post/state-officials-may-have-delay-key-feature-health-care-exchange

Small state and you would think an easy match for a system, but they do not expect to have online payments until Nov. 1, 2013.  As goes Vermont, goes the nation in 2016 through 2020.  If single payer flies in Vermont, the nation will follow.   Like a landslide.....it starts slowly and picks up steam.

They can't even UNEFF the system now Seaoat.....and NO the country does not go as Vermont goes or even our area would be full of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream licking liberals.

Sorry Pace.....I started thinking about all these SNAFUS, and I am beginning to think there is a reason. Again, Single Payer has always been the President's game plan. I am smelling the Chicago way.......as goes Vermont goes the nation.

Nah, it's Chicago incompetence. Even Al Capone was locked up eventually.

After World War I when our troops got a taste for Europe....France in particular......it was a long trip back to the farm.......single payer begins and ends in Vermont. This rough start does not bode well.......unless....there is more to this game than checkers.

Just like Obamacare is......

Just like Obamacare is......


Nice try......but in two years that bus is going to be full.......and they are not going to the Obamacare bus stop........they are going to single payer......as goes Vermont.....goes the nation.

A full bus still has people sitting in the back... and unable to board. Pressures on working poor/young is the first stop.

Going to agree with PDog on this one. It is total incompetence. Nothing more than a no bid contract given to someone's buddy that could not handle the job. After running subsidy applications for a family the system may qualify one or two of that family for a subsidy, put one on medicaid and then the last there is nothing for. That should not be happening. Family of 4 with subsidy all or none should receive. Then there are those when you look at their tax return that clearly should receive a subsidy and get's nothing.

so here we have seadope making the case for single payer again even most realizing that we will loose 10's of thousands of jobs and again further screw up our system and further push the nation into bankruptcy.

and hes making those claims based on Vermonts health exchange LOL

is seadope not aware that some states are running the exchanges and then the federal has their exchange for those states who did not participate such as fl.

or does seadope think that just because this fails, that all of a sudden the country will be so frustrated it will be so happy to vote for someone who will give them single payer and let them write another monster bill? yes, because at that point the country will have so much faith the gov can do that right? LOL

don't make me laugh.............. youre in unicorn land as always, take another.

Vermont is the first of many states which the people have chosen single payer as their exchange. This means people are indeed being dumped from their current policies, and young people are paying the same rate as older people.....if Vermont fails, it will delay single payer beyond the 2016-2020 range for national debate, but it will not screw up, and you will see legislation giving subsidy to those states which choose that model. Bet on it.

Why would it receive subsidy?

The same reason it is being given now.....medicaid quid pro quo.

If the models are consistent and uniform... why wouldn't each state manage it independently?

collection/redistribution/administration

The states that did not "opt in" for political reasons are now suffering because they in effect gave up their ability to negotiate with the insurance companies for better rates; then, when they tried to kick it back to the feds, they found that the feds couldn't negotiate for them, because the state-run mandate was part of the bill.

Vermont will provide the path for many states. This is the real concern about the hate for Obamacare........not this clearly transitory Affordable Care Act, but the path's goal of medicare for all.

2seaoat wrote:Vermont will provide the path for many states.   This is the real concern about the hate for Obamacare........not this clearly transitory Affordable Care Act, but the path's goal of medicare for all.

LOL

Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin led the way when he signed Green Mountain care into law in 2011, establishing a road map for a state-level single-payer system. To achieve their goals, Vermont needs a waiver from the federal government to do health care their way, but their biggest obstacle will be finding a source of revenue to support Green Mountain Care. Will the people of Vermont support additional taxation in order to offer access to health care to all of their citizens?

Pennsylvania is one of 22 states in an organized national single-payer network, ready to utilize the provision in the ACA allowing for innovation as of January 1st 2017. The single payer advocates in Pennsylvania envision single-payer eventually replacing the exchanges, because they rightly view health insurance as being significantly different from access to health care. For example, if you purchase a bronze plan through the ACA exchanges, you are technically insured. However, you might have a significant deductible, so that even after you have purchased insurance, you still have financial barriers.

While there are a variety of efforts around the country to promote single payer health care, the definition of single payer remains opaque and confusing to the public. To some, it simply means getting rid of private forprofit insurance companies; to others it means public financing of health care; and still others, free care. But the term "single payer" usually refers to the method of collecting revenue, usually by the government through taxation, to pay for and administer health care services for a specific population.


Is the above what you are trying to talk about?

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

even their co -opt got defunded thanks to their bright idea of a so called semi single payer idea they want to start in 2017

http://vtdigger.org/2013/09/16/feds-terminate-loan-agreement-with-vermont-health-co-op/

Im pretty sure by the time 2017 rolls around, no one will be ready to cough up more taxes.

so dream on.

and don't forget seadope, even Europe is now moving from single payer, they are broke.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

It already is happening.

2seaoat wrote:NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

It already is happening.

then you obviously don't know what single payer is. its not happening for ALL.

on edit to be clear about single payer for ALL. because Medicaid and medicare are examples of single payer.

but I stand firm it will not happen for all like the left wants.