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Why such a wide and passionate set of feelings on this trial? Wasn't this a fair trial ?

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Slicef18
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TEOTWAWKI
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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

Because there is one steadfast principle of life in the American society.
It's called "us vs them". And one man's "us" is another man's "them.

Guest


Guest

Apparently african americans hate hispanic americans... but not quite as much as they hate caucasian americans.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PkrBum wrote:Apparently african americans hate hispanic americans... but not quite as much as they hate caucasian americans.

It's not limited to that.  Every group of human beings hates every other group.  It holds true for races,  religions, ethnicities,  nations,  regions of nations,  sexual orientations,  economic classes,  and even the skinny hate the fat and the fat hate the skinny.

Guest


Guest

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

What are u talking about,Teo? I don't take pride in killing anyone. I think he did what he had to do,period.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Dreamsglore wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

What are u talking about,Teo? I don't take pride in killing anyone. I think he did what he had to do,period.

No I don't think anyone takes pride in the actual killing of tray on Some just think Zim was a kind of hero for trying to protect his community

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

Because the police didn't do their jobs.

2seaoat



I have mixed feelings. I have argued for years that what is wrong in America is that neighbors do not know each other and people do not get involved. Crime just cannot happen when a neighborhood is active and challenging bad behavior. George Zimmerman would have been my poster child......except........he was carrying.

I have given some thought to this. If George Zimmerman was not carrying a gun and approached Martin like a human being and said Hi I am George from the neighborhood watch are you new to the community........instead he was in a neighborhood watch group carrying and told us he never identified himself, he was afraid. I guess I have been bothered by the screams and people staying in their homes......why are we so afraid? Why as a nation have we become scardy cats. As I age and weaken, am I going to be scared.......will I carry......will I stay in my home.........something has changed in my America......this trial has shown me much about fear.

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Guest

2seaoat wrote:I have mixed feelings.  I have argued for years that what is wrong in America is that neighbors do not know each other and people do not get involved.   Crime just cannot happen when a neighborhood is active and challenging bad behavior.  George Zimmerman would have been my poster child......except........he was carrying.

I have given some thought to this.  If George Zimmerman was not carrying a gun and approached Martin like a human being and said Hi I am George from the neighborhood watch are you new to the community........instead he was in a neighborhood watch group carrying and told us he never identified himself, he was afraid.  I guess I have been bothered by the screams and people staying in their homes......why are we so afraid?  Why as a nation have we become scardy cats.   As I age and weaken, am I going to be scared.......will I carry......will I stay in my home.........something has changed in my America......this trial has shown me much about fear.

Why such a wide and passionate set of feelings on this trial? Wasn't this a fair trial ? Th?id=H.4905051249576384&pid=1

If Zimmerman had used a rock or knife to stop Martin from beating his head against the sidewalk Martin would probably be just as dead.

It's the aggression that leads to physical confrontation from the aggressor, instead of attempting verbal communication, that needs to be rectified.

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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Floridatexan wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

Because the police didn't do their jobs.

You do realize that if Trayvon had been shot by a police officer under similar circumstances this would have been a nothing story barely clearing the notice level of the media. Officer safety trumps all.

2seaoat



You do realize that if Trayvon had been shot by a police officer under similar circumstances this would have been a nothing story barely clearing the notice level of the media. Officer safety trumps all.



I am pretty sure that a black kid shot like this trial, ran over by a squad car, or shot in the back while handcuffed would not have a high likelihood of having the person who shot him serve a day of jail, but the big advancement is the trial........if you are going to pull a gun and shoot an unarmed kid, run a kid over on a bike, or handcuff and lay somebody out on an Oakland subway and shoot him in the back.....you can and should expect a trial in America.........a very good deterrent for bad behavior.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Floridatexan wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

Because the police didn't do their jobs.

Let's play the blame game.......


Did Trayvon's parents do their job?

His mother according to Trayvon "kicked" him out. When you see disturbing signs in a teen you have to act proactively. The kid needed intervention and help....don't just turn them over to the other parent and ignore serious problems. Counselors? Ministers? School Guidance Counselor? Anything....did they do anything?

This was a teen in a downward spiral....exhibited by multiple school suspensions, truancy, marijuana possession, interested in obtaining a gun, fighting, involved in a fight club, defacing school property, possession of questionable jewelry in his locker.



http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/23/18449794-zimmerman-defense-releases-texts-about-guns-fighting-from-trayvon-martins-phone?lite

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331100/No-angel-George-Zimmermans-attorneys-want-villainize-Trayvon-Martin-photos-smoking-pot-texts-fighting.html

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2seaoat wrote:I have mixed feelings.  I have argued for years that what is wrong in America is that neighbors do not know each other and people do not get involved.   Crime just cannot happen when a neighborhood is active and challenging bad behavior.  George Zimmerman would have been my poster child......except........he was carrying.

I have given some thought to this.  If George Zimmerman was not carrying a gun and approached Martin like a human being and said Hi I am George from the neighborhood watch are you new to the community........instead he was in a neighborhood watch group carrying and told us he never identified himself, he was afraid.  I guess I have been bothered by the screams and people staying in their homes......why are we so afraid?  Why as a nation have we become scardy cats.   As I age and weaken, am I going to be scared.......will I carry......will I stay in my home.........something has changed in my America......this trial has shown me much about fear.

He was told not to do that by the police who trained neighborhood watches. Carrying a gun saved him.

nadalfan



TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

What I feel is not anger, it's a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Initially, the idea of a kid walking home from the store, not committing a crime, and then getting killed, should be disturbing to anyone. But, we didn't know the whole story. So, at first, all I wanted was a trial. I didn't know if Zimmerman's story was true. However, as I watched the trial and the evidence presented, I was convinced that his story just didn't add up; he lied.
I have imagined my own son in that situation; it could have been him that night innocently walking back from the store.
I hoped the jury would find him guilty of manslaughter, but even if he had, that sick feeling in my stomach would not have been gone. This whole situation points to something sick in society, from the utter lack of humanization of Trayvon by some, the devaluation of his life. the disregard and disrespect of his family, to the acceptance, approval, and sometimes applause of this killing.

I am having a difficult time expressing what I feel, because I am having a difficult time coming to grips with what ha happened and what this says about us as a society.

no stress

no stress

While what Zimmerman did can best be described as careless, it was not criminal. Personally, if I suspected that he was up to no good I would have called the cops, given them a description and location and then went straight home to make sure my family was safe. His situational awareness skills are just not there.

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Guest

I have not seen anyone applaud the killing of Trayvon Martin. That is simply an outright lie. The fact that this case may have gone down exactly as Zimmerman said it did is disturbing as people have determined he was lying with no proof whatsoever. We do not base our judicial system on someone being guilty and having to prove there were innocent. That's totally screwed up.

nadalfan



Dreamsglore wrote:I have not seen anyone applaud the killing of Trayvon Martin. That is simply an outright lie. The fact that this case may have gone down exactly as Zimmerman said it did is disturbing as people have determined he was lying with no proof whatsoever. We do not base our judicial system on someone being guilty and having to prove there were innocent. That's totally screwed up.
When I hear people saying, that's one less thug on the streets, or he got what he deserved, I consider that applauding his killing.
You still believe he is innocent, I still believe he is guilty based on the same set of facts. It's hard for me to understand, but I accept your conclusion, I just don't agree with you.

Guest


Guest

nadalfan wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:I have not seen anyone applaud the killing of Trayvon Martin. That is simply an outright lie. The fact that this case may have gone down exactly as Zimmerman said it did is disturbing as people have determined he was lying with no proof whatsoever. We do not base our judicial system on someone being guilty and having to prove there were innocent. That's totally screwed up.
When I hear people saying, that's one less thug on the streets, or he got what he deserved, I consider that applauding his killing.
You still believe he is innocent, I still believe he is guilty based on the same set of facts.  It's hard for me to understand, but I accept your conclusion, I just don't agree with you.

Fair enough. Everyone see's things differently.

Sal

Sal

nadalfan wrote:
What I feel is not anger, it's a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.    
Initially, the idea of a kid walking home from the store, not committing a crime, and then getting killed, should be disturbing to anyone.  But, we didn't know the whole story.  So, at first, all I wanted was a trial.  I didn't know if Zimmerman's story was true. However, as I watched the trial and the evidence presented, I was convinced that his story just didn't add up; he lied.  
I have imagined my own son in that situation; it could have been him that night innocently walking back from the store.
I hoped the jury would find him guilty of manslaughter, but even if he had, that sick feeling in my stomach would not have been gone.  This whole situation points to something sick in society, from the utter lack of humanization of Trayvon by some, the devaluation of his life. the disregard and disrespect of his family, to the acceptance, approval, and sometimes applause of this killing.

I am having a difficult time expressing what I feel, because I am having a difficult time coming to grips with what ha happened and what this says about us as a society.


What you're feeling is the result of a dawning realization that African-American lives are still not valued as highly in this country as other lives.

It was apparent from Zimmo's preconceived misconceptions, to the police department's failure to make an immediate arrest and botching of the initial investigation, to the dismissal of Rachel Jeantel's testimony by EVERYBODY, to the reaction of 50% of the citizenry to the trial and its outcome.

This country has not come as far as we thought in regards to race relations, and in fact, may have just taken a huge step back.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

The fact that riots were not as bad as expected may be a very good sign that better and more legal means of seeking justice are being attempted. It may also mean the younger generations are getting wise to the Jacksons and Sharptons. Race may not be the same old knee jerk behavior generator it used to engender.

Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Apparently african americans hate hispanic americans... but not quite as much as they hate caucasian americans.

It's not limited to that.  Every group of human beings hates every other group.  It holds true for races,  religions,  ethnicities,  nations,  regions of nations,  sexual orientations,  economic classes,  and even the skinny hate the fat and the fat hate the skinny.

Gross lie.

Speak for yourself.


Markle

Markle

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

Rather than working to bring people together, President Barack Hussein Obama and his comrades have worked diligently to further divide our nation. Between races, between socio-economic groups, religion, nationality and any other way possible.

The goal then is to make as many of those people believe that they are victims and dependent on government for their very existence. Having stolen their independence, self respect and very souls, nothing stands between him and HIS vision of a managed, socialist society.


TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Markle wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have noticed some take pride in what Zimmerman did extolling the virtue of protecting his neighborhood from perceived encroachment by shady outside elements.
Others see Zimmerman as a coward that used a gun in a fist fight.
While others see him as a cold-blooded murderer.

The emotions are sure spread out and intense here , Why?

Rather than working to bring people together, President Barack Hussein Obama and his comrades have worked diligently to further divide our nation.  Between races, between socio-economic groups, religion, nationality and any other way possible.

The goal then is to make as many of those people believe that they are victims and dependent on government for their very existence.  Having stolen their independence, self respect and very souls, nothing stands between him and HIS vision of a managed, socialist society.



Sure does look for all the world like that is exactly what's happening.

Slicef18

Slicef18

Bob wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Apparently african americans hate hispanic americans... but not quite as much as they hate caucasian americans.

It's not limited to that.  Every group of human beings hates every other group.  It holds true for races,  religions,  ethnicities,  nations,  regions of nations,  sexual orientations,  economic classes,  and even the skinny hate the fat and the fat hate the skinny.

Your point is correct, but I think the word "hate" is too strong a word. I think "mistrust" would be more accurate for these groups. Good point though.

Slicef18

Slicef18

The media shoulders much of the blame which goes back to the beginning. Right from the beginning the television media showed Tayvon Martin using an old photo of Trayvon when he was an early teenager and they showed Zimmerman using an unattractive mug shot. Also, from the time the trial started we had a period of mostly low news incidents. Additionally, the Black community is very involved in attending their church where preachers have found a topic that resonates with the church goers. I should also point out that the Black community is the only group that truly find outward joy in attending church services.

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