President Obama Authorizes Sending Weapons to Syrian Rebels

Sal wrote:I'll reserve judgement until I hear the details of what he is agreeing to do, but I'm not happy about this development.

This is a sectarian conflict and a religious war where we have no allies.

No good can come of this, and no one will thank us for our efforts.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Prepare for blowback.

2seaoat wrote:Close to 100k men, women, and children have died in this conflict.  I am thinking Bosnia 1995.....there needs to be a United Nations effort to stop these massacres.   I do not give a rat's tail about the politics.....this crap has to stop.    We need a security counsel resolution on a no fly zone, and I do not care if the dictator survives this for now.....we need a cease fire and a stop to the carnage..........this is Bosnia all over for me, and I do not care what the politics are at this point the United States must use our power not to pour weapons into this cauldron, rather use our power to get a consensus UN resolution of a no fly zone and UN peacekeepers to shut this thing down...........at this point supplying small arms is going to inflame this nations for years to come.   Libya had a Nato consensus......Mr. K had brutalized his people, and the world said enough.......the Russians backed the Serbs in 1995, and as we dilly dallied around 8k people were massacred in one town before folks got off their collective asses and put some collective teeth in stopping the conflict and bringing the war criminals to justice.    This is beginning to be a huge fail in American foreign policy if we are going to pour small arms into the country without an international consensus............

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Are you volunteering to be in the first wave?? I doubt it. It is always the OLD men sending the young off to die without concern of their own. Syria is more of a CLUSTERF___ than Iraq and Astan combined. I thought Obama was a Nobel PEACE prize winner? Guess only on wars he wants to end while starting others. All of the WMDs to include a LOT of nerve agent and other nasty stuff sits in Syria. You won't be there when it all goes down, but you want to check off OK on this for the COWH. LOSER.

Let the UN handle it. This is WHY they were created. We've done enough in that area.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Sal wrote:I'll reserve judgement until I hear the details of what he is agreeing to do, but I'm not happy about this development.

This is a sectarian conflict and a religious war where we have no allies.

No good can come of this, and no one will thank us for our efforts.

Prepare for blow-back. There are plenty of prosperous countries in the world with much smaller militaries than ours, who don't meddle in the affairs of other nations like we do. One wonders how prosperous America could be if we did not try to maintain and enforce a global empire.

You got it! We think we're just superamerica.We're going to get blown off the face of the map for butting in this crap all the time.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Sal wrote:I'll reserve judgement until I hear the details of what he is agreeing to do, but I'm not happy about this development.

This is a sectarian conflict and a religious war where we have no allies.

No good can come of this, and no one will thank us for our efforts.

Prepare for blow-back. There are plenty of prosperous countries in the world with much smaller militaries than ours, who don't meddle in the affairs of other nations like we do. One wonders how prosperous America could be if we did not try to maintain and enforce a global empire.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Close to 100k men, women, and children have died in this conflict.  I am thinking Bosnia 1995.....there needs to be a United Nations effort to stop these massacres.   I do not give a rat's tail about the politics.....this crap has to stop.    We need a security counsel resolution on a no fly zone, and I do not care if the dictator survives this for now.....we need a cease fire and a stop to the carnage..........this is Bosnia all over for me, and I do not care what the politics are at this point the United States must use our power not to pour weapons into this cauldron, rather use our power to get a consensus UN resolution of a no fly zone and UN peacekeepers to shut this thing down...........at this point supplying small arms is going to inflame this nations for years to come.   Libya had a Nato consensus......Mr. K had brutalized his people, and the world said enough.......the Russians backed the Serbs in 1995, and as we dilly dallied around 8k people were massacred in one town before folks got off their collective asses and put some collective teeth in stopping the conflict and bringing the war criminals to justice.    This is beginning to be a huge fail in American foreign policy if we are going to pour small arms into the country without an international consensus............

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Are you volunteering to be in the first wave?? I doubt it. It is always the OLD men sending the young off to die without concern of their own. Syria is more of a CLUSTERF___ than Iraq and Astan combined. I thought Obama was a Nobel PEACE prize winner? Guess only on wars he wants to end while starting others. All of the WMDs to include a LOT of nerve agent and other nasty stuff sits in Syria. You won't be there when it all goes down, but you want to check off OK on this for the COWH. LOSER.

Let the UN handle it. This is WHY they were created. We've done enough in that area.

nochain wrote:To sum up this latest Obama foreign policy failure:

"The Obama administration's policy toward Syria is a failure. Iran, Hezbollah and Russia are funneling more aid, armaments and diplomatic cover to Bashar al-Assad. And Syrian rebels who once hailed the United States now loathe it."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/the-failure-of-obamas-syria-policy/273414/


Maybe he will make some new useless friends during his grotesquely expensive and totally unnecessary vacation to Africa. He sure has made a hash out of the Syria fiasco by not working with other allies in the mideast and having them take the lead but then he hasn't demonstrated any ability to gain a consensus and lead others (witness the failures in Congress). The only thing he has done right thus far is to not involve us in large numbers on the ground. That will probably change from the looks of things.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Sal wrote:I'll reserve judgement until I hear the details of what he is agreeing to do, but I'm not happy about this development.

This is a sectarian conflict and a religious war where we have no allies.

No good can come of this, and no one will thank us for our efforts.

Prepare for blow-back. There are plenty of prosperous countries in the world with much smaller militaries than ours, who don't meddle in the affairs of other nations like we do. One wonders how prosperous America could be if we did not try to maintain and enforce a global empire.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Sal wrote:I'll reserve judgement until I hear the details of what he is agreeing to do, but I'm not happy about this development.

This is a sectarian conflict and a religious war where we have no allies.

No good can come of this, and no one will thank us for our efforts.

Prepare for blow-back. There are plenty of prosperous countries in the world with much smaller militaries than ours, who don't meddle in the affairs of other nations like we do. One wonders how prosperous America could be if we did not try to maintain and enforce a global empire.

You're absolutely right and we should...

1. Bring ALL of our troops home.

2. Secure our borders. Their population problems are their own.

3. Cancel all foreign aid, and any other aid that involves tax US tax dollars to foreign interests, and worry about ourselves.

4. Cancel all trade agreements and do what's best for us.

5. Withdraw most our financial support from the UN and only pay 5% of the cost since our population is only 5% of the world population.

6. Withdraw our embassies from countries where they've been attacked and that countries government looked the other way.

I'm sure I can come up with more if you want.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3hmgkPYUuk

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
I can agree with all of the above---Except we have neocons here who want the U.S. to engage in endless wars and conflicts all over the globe. There are otehrs who say the U.S. is doomed if we stop giving money to Israel.

nochain wrote:To sum up this latest Obama foreign policy failure:

"The Obama administration's policy toward Syria is a failure. Iran, Hezbollah and Russia are funneling more aid, armaments and diplomatic cover to Bashar al-Assad. And Syrian rebels who once hailed the United States now loathe it."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/02/the-failure-of-obamas-syria-policy/273414/


Maybe he will make some new useless friends during his grotesquely expensive and totally unnecessary vacation to Africa. He sure has made a hash out of the Syria fiasco by not working with other allies in the mideast and having them take the lead but then he hasn't demonstrated any ability to gain a consensus and lead others (witness the failures in Congress). The only thing he has done right thus far is to not involve us in large numbers on the ground. That will probably change from the looks of things.