McCain can just not get over he lost the election!

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:And there are plenty of Vietnam Veterans on record who cannot stand Kerry.

That one guy in your video who suggested that McCain promised his captors something is a real jerk. McCain went through almighty hell in that prison. I do not agree with McCain on a lot of things, but he is an American hero.

So did all the other's captured. If he was such a hero why do his fellow prisoner's say he's a liar?

That is false!

No, it's not. You better get the correct info.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:I think it's pretty lowdown and slimy to attack a man for his time served in a POW prison.

Attack him on his policies, his legislation, and his political maneuvers--that's all fair game. But not his time in that POW prison.

"It has also been claimed by retired Army Colonel Earl Hopper, admittedly without any corroborating evidence apart from what might be contained in inaccessible Pentagon files, that “McCain told his North Vietnamese captors, highly classified information, the most important of which was the package routes, which were routes used to bomb North Vietnam. He gave in detail the altitude they were flying, the direction, if they made a turn… he gave them what primary targets the United States was interested in…the information McCain provided allowed the North Vietnamese to adjust their air-defenses. As result…the US lost sixty percent more aircraft and in 1968 [and] called off the bombing of North Vietnam, because of the information McCain had given to them.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/john-mccain-war-hero-or-something-less/5337240

Nekochan wrote:And there are plenty of Vietnam Veterans on record who cannot stand Kerry.

That one guy in your video who suggested that McCain promised his captors something is a real jerk. McCain went through almighty hell in that prison. I do not agree with McCain on a lot of things, but he is an American hero.

Nekochan wrote:Here are a group of POWS and their statements about John McCain.

http://www.valorstudios.com/McCain/their_words.htm

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Here are a group of POWS and their statements about John McCain.

http://www.valorstudios.com/McCain/their_words.htm

Those are presidential testimonials. It is interesting how the stories vary though of McCains injuries. There were allegations he got preferential treatment because of his father's status and one of these testimonials corroborate that.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:He got it worse dingleberry because of who is dad was. Were you even there? Have you ever talked to a real live former POW? I have and multiple ones. What you heard about the treatment is REAL. I have been to SV80 at Fairchild AFB and the water survival training held at NAS Pensacola. McCain had his arms pulled up behind his shoulders and back around until his shoulders dislocated and arms were pulled out of the sockets. He was in the same camp with Bud Day and many others. It was called the Hanoi Hilton. You wouldn't have made it for one percent of the time McCain spent as a POW. You are truly a dirtbag.

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Here are a group of POWS and their statements about John McCain.

http://www.valorstudios.com/McCain/their_words.htm

Those are presidential testimonials. It is interesting how the stories vary though of McCains injuries. There were allegations he got preferential treatment because of his father's status and one of these testimonials corroborate that.

Yes, they are presidential testimonials. Now why would all those former POWS want a traitor to be their president? Does that make any sense to you unless you think that they are all a bunch of scummy traitors to the USA? You said before that all of his fellow POWs were against him and that simply is false. Those testimonials indicate that his captors tried to use him because of his father being an admiral, not that he got preferential treatment. They offered him a chance to go home ONLY so that they could use it to embarrass the US government. To his credit, he said NO WAY.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Here are a group of POWS and their statements about John McCain.

http://www.valorstudios.com/McCain/their_words.htm

Those are presidential testimonials. It is interesting how the stories vary though of McCains injuries. There were allegations he got preferential treatment because of his father's status and one of these testimonials corroborate that.

Yes, they are presidential testimonials. Now why would all those former POWS want a traitor to be their president? Does that make any sense to you unless you think that they are all a bunch of scummy traitors to the USA? You said before that all of his fellow POWs were against him and that simply is false. Those testimonials indicate that his captors tried to use him because of his father being an admiral, not that he got preferential treatment. They offered him a chance to go home ONLY so that they could use it to embarrass the US government. To his credit, he said NO WAY.

I didn't say all the POW's said that. They said he was treated better and he gave secret info, away. He made 32 proponganda tapes and they called him "Songbird". Really different stories from his friends,eh?

Nekochan wrote:When my husband went through survival training, one of the instructors was a former Vietnam Vet. A lot of the training was based on what our POWs had been through in Vietnam.

Damaged Beagle wrote:

Nekochan wrote:When my husband went through survival training, one of the instructors was a former Vietnam Vet. A lot of the training was based on what our POWs had been through in Vietnam.

How awful. Did they break both of his arms and set them improperly...?



When I was at the USAFA I had several friends who went through their POW training in the summer between their JR and Sr year. A lot of Viet Nam Vets were instructors and they pushed the envelope but it can only be pushed to a point.

Sen McCain indured shit that cannot be conveyed in a training exercise.

I respect what your hubby endured....I doubt I could handle it. But this issue is in an area we as observers will never fully understand nor relate to in a personal way.

Nekochan wrote:

Damaged Beagle wrote:

Nekochan wrote:When my husband went through survival training, one of the instructors was a former Vietnam Vet. A lot of the training was based on what our POWs had been through in Vietnam.

How awful. Did they break both of his arms and set them improperly...?



When I was at the USAFA I had several friends who went through their POW training in the summer between their JR and Sr year. A lot of Viet Nam Vets were instructors and they pushed the envelope but it can only be pushed to a point.

Sen McCain indured shit that cannot be conveyed in a training exercise.

I respect what your hubby endured....I doubt I could handle it. But this issue is in an area we as observers will never fully understand nor relate to in a personal way.

My post was in response to PD's comment. No, my husband was not a POW and no one broke his arms or anything remotely close to what the POWs experienced. He said that the experience was not fun but he knew all along it was just training and would come to an end after several weeks. I wasn't trying to suggest that my husband went through what POWS went through. My point is that the SERE training that he received was based on techniques that POWs had used to survive horrible captivity for years. What those POWs endured, they used to help generations of American servicemen be better prepared in case of capture. I have nothing but respect for POWS and their service. Their service continues on, even today.

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Here are a group of POWS and their statements about John McCain.

http://www.valorstudios.com/McCain/their_words.htm

Those are presidential testimonials. It is interesting how the stories vary though of McCains injuries. There were allegations he got preferential treatment because of his father's status and one of these testimonials corroborate that.

Yes, they are presidential testimonials. Now why would all those former POWS want a traitor to be their president? Does that make any sense to you unless you think that they are all a bunch of scummy traitors to the USA? You said before that all of his fellow POWs were against him and that simply is false. Those testimonials indicate that his captors tried to use him because of his father being an admiral, not that he got preferential treatment. They offered him a chance to go home ONLY so that they could use it to embarrass the US government. To his credit, he said NO WAY.

I didn't say all the POW's said that. They said he was treated better and he gave secret info, away. He made 32 proponganda tapes and they called him "Songbird". Really different stories from his friends,eh?

Which POWs said that he gave secret info and was treated better? What are their names?

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Here are a group of POWS and their statements about John McCain.

http://www.valorstudios.com/McCain/their_words.htm

Those are presidential testimonials. It is interesting how the stories vary though of McCains injuries. There were allegations he got preferential treatment because of his father's status and one of these testimonials corroborate that.

Yes, they are presidential testimonials. Now why would all those former POWS want a traitor to be their president? Does that make any sense to you unless you think that they are all a bunch of scummy traitors to the USA? You said before that all of his fellow POWs were against him and that simply is false. Those testimonials indicate that his captors tried to use him because of his father being an admiral, not that he got preferential treatment. They offered him a chance to go home ONLY so that they could use it to embarrass the US government. To his credit, he said NO WAY.

I didn't say all the POW's said that. They said he was treated better and he gave secret info, away. He made 32 proponganda tapes and they called him "Songbird". Really different stories from his friends,eh?

Which POWs said that he gave secret info and was treated better? What are their names?

FT just posted a video on it. Watch it.

Dreamsglore wrote:In his bestselling 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, McCain says he felt bad throughout his captivity because he knew he was being treated more leniently than his fellow POWs, owing to his high-ranking father and thus his propaganda value. Other prisoners at Hoa Lo say his captors considered him a prize catch and called him the “Crown Prince,” something McCain acknowledges in the book.

Also in this memoir, McCain expresses guilt at having broken under torture and given the confession. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes, revealing that he made two “feeble” attempts at suicide. (In later years, he said he tried to hang himself with his shirt and guards intervened.) Tellingly, he says he lived in “dread” that his father would find out about the confession. “I still wince,” he writes, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:In his bestselling 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, McCain says he felt bad throughout his captivity because he knew he was being treated more leniently than his fellow POWs, owing to his high-ranking father and thus his propaganda value. Other prisoners at Hoa Lo say his captors considered him a prize catch and called him the “Crown Prince,” something McCain acknowledges in the book.

Also in this memoir, McCain expresses guilt at having broken under torture and given the confession. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes, revealing that he made two “feeble” attempts at suicide. (In later years, he said he tried to hang himself with his shirt and guards intervened.) Tellingly, he says he lived in “dread” that his father would find out about the confession. “I still wince,” he writes, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”

Most of those POWs I've heard about speak of breaking or nearly breaking under torture.
Now, which POWs said that McCain is a traitor?

Dreamsglore wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:In his bestselling 1999 autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, McCain says he felt bad throughout his captivity because he knew he was being treated more leniently than his fellow POWs, owing to his high-ranking father and thus his propaganda value. Other prisoners at Hoa Lo say his captors considered him a prize catch and called him the “Crown Prince,” something McCain acknowledges in the book.

Also in this memoir, McCain expresses guilt at having broken under torture and given the confession. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes, revealing that he made two “feeble” attempts at suicide. (In later years, he said he tried to hang himself with his shirt and guards intervened.) Tellingly, he says he lived in “dread” that his father would find out about the confession. “I still wince,” he writes, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”

Most of those POWs I've heard about speak of breaking or nearly breaking under torture.
Now, which POWs said that McCain is a traitor?

You'll have to go look them up. They spoke of that in the article I posted and what he told the enemy. I have great empathy for what he went through but his hero status is overrated.