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Looking for Margin Call's and other finance types opinion on this: Why are billionaires dumping stock and is it in anticipation of a market collapse?

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob


Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why


Thursday, 16 May 2013 06:09 PM
By Newsmax Wires

Despite the 6.5% stock market rally over the last three months, a
handful of billionaires are quietly dumping their American stocks . . .
and fast.

Warren Buffett, who has been a cheerleader for U.S. stocks for quite
some time, is dumping shares at an alarming rate. He recently complained
of “disappointing performance” in dyed-in-the-wool American companies
like Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Kraft Foods.

In the latest filing for Buffett’s holding company Berkshire Hathaway,
Buffett has been drastically reducing his exposure to stocks that depend
on consumer purchasing habits. Berkshire sold roughly 19 million shares
of Johnson & Johnson, and reduced his overall stake in “consumer
product stocks” by 21%. Berkshire Hathaway also sold its entire stake in
California-based computer parts supplier Intel.

With 70% of the U.S. economy dependent on consumer spending, Buffett’s
apparent lack of faith in these companies’ future prospects is
worrisome.

Unfortunately Buffett isn’t alone.

Fellow billionaire John Paulson, who made a fortune betting on the
subprime mortgage meltdown, is clearing out of U.S. stocks too. During
the second quarter of the year, Paulson’s hedge fund, Paulson & Co.,
dumped 14 million shares of JPMorgan Chase. The fund also dumped its
entire position in discount retailer Family Dollar and consumer-goods
maker Sara Lee.

Finally, billionaire George Soros recently sold nearly all of his bank
stocks, including shares of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, and Goldman
Sachs. Between the three banks, Soros sold more than a million shares.

So why are these billionaires dumping their shares of U.S. companies?

After all, the stock market is still in the midst of its historic rally.
Real estate prices have finally leveled off, and for the first time in
five years are actually rising in many locations. And the unemployment
rate seems to have stabilized.

It’s very likely that these professional investors are aware of specific
research that points toward a massive market correction, as much as
90%.

One such person publishing this research is Robert Wiedemer, an esteemed
economist and author of the New York Times best-selling book Aftershock.

Before you dismiss the possibility of a 90% drop in the stock market as unrealistic, consider Wiedemer’s credentials.

In 2006, Wiedemer and a team of economists accurately predicted the
collapse of the U.S. housing market, equity markets, and consumer
spending that almost sank the United States. They published their
research in the book America’s Bubble Economy.

The book quickly grabbed headlines for its accuracy in predicting what
many thought would never happen, and quickly established Wiedemer as a
trusted voice.

A columnist at Dow Jones said the book was “one of those rare finds that
not only predicted the subprime credit meltdown well in advance, it
offered Main Street investors a winning strategy that helped avoid the
forty percent losses that followed . . .”

The chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor’s said that Wiedemer’s track record “demands our attention.”

And finally, the former CFO of Goldman Sachs said Wiedemer’s “prescience
in (his) first book lends credence to the new warnings. This book
deserves our attention.”

In the interview for his latest blockbuster Aftershock, Wiedemer says the 90% drop in the stock market is “a worst-case scenario,” and the host quickly challenged this claim.

Wiedemer calmly laid out a clear explanation of why a large drop of some sort is a virtual certainty.

It starts with the reckless strategy of the Federal Reserve to print a
massive amount of money out of thin air in an attempt to stimulate the
economy.

“These funds haven’t made it into the markets and the economy yet. But
it is a mathematical certainty that once the dam breaks, and this money
passes through the reserves and hits the markets, inflation will surge,”
said Wiedemer.

“Once you hit 10% inflation, 10-year Treasury bonds lose about half
their value. And by 20%, any value is all but gone. Interest rates will
increase dramatically at this point, and that will cause real estate
values to collapse. And the stock market will collapse as a consequence
of these other problems.”

And this is where Wiedemer explains why Buffett, Paulson, and Soros could be dumping U.S. stocks:

“Companies will be spending more money on borrowing costs than business
expansion costs. That means lower profit margins, lower dividends, and
less hiring. Plus, more layoffs.”

No investors, let alone billionaires, will want to own stocks with
falling profit margins and shrinking dividends. So if that’s why
Buffett, Paulson, and Soros are dumping stocks, they have decided to
cash out early and leave Main Street investors holding the bag.

But Main Street investors don’t have to see their investment and
retirement accounts decimated for the second time in five years.

Wiedemer’s video interview also contains a comprehensive blueprint for
economic survival that’s really commanding global attention.

Now viewed over 40 million times, it was initially screened for a
relatively small, private audience. But the overwhelming amount of
feedback from viewers who felt the interview should be widely publicized
came with consequences, as various online networks repeatedly shut it
down and affiliates refused to house the content.

“People were sitting up and taking notice, and they begged us to make
the interview public so they could easily share it,” said Newsmax
Financial Publisher Aaron DeHoog.

“Our real concern,” DeHoog added, “is the effect even if only half of Wiedemer’s predictions come true.

“That’s a scary thought for sure. But we want the average American to be
prepared, and that is why we will continue to push this video to as
many outlets as we can. We want the word to spread.”

http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=110D8-1&utm_source=taboola

2seaoat



All I know is corning went up almost 25% in the last few months and it almost pays five percent dividends............let the crash come.....right now I am enjoying the first movement in my retirement fund in five years........its all funny money to me until I need to spend it. All the predictions of doom.....I am watching America plant the crops for the world........this country is producing more oil and gas......efficiencies in industry are bringing productivity to all time high levels........some people have gotten out of the markets, but a hell lot more have gotten in.........

Margin Call

Margin Call

I have no specific answer other than the old Wall Street maxim "sell strength, buy weakness", which Uncle Warren did with bailout mone....er, exquisite market insight.

Parabolic moves in stocks tend to be met with tremendous smackdowns. However, trying to predict the top is a fool's task. Protect your gains.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Well I am thinking about pulling most of my money out of the market and buying rental property...I think the market is unusually high and ready to pluck and I think real estate is a good place to make solid sustainable
(real) gains......but it's still a crap shoot.

2seaoat



I have too much real estate, and with corning.....I do not care if it is 10 or 25, it pays good dividends and I do not need to dip into my retirement because I will continue to collect early ss, and work part time.....plus I am going to be dead anyway.....so I do not have to worry about being broke at eighty.......I am just going to stay in corning as I have for the last five years and I have been beaten like a drum, but have received good dividends. I am happy as a squirrel in the nuthouse........

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I now have about one-fourth of my assets in dividend stocks. And believe me that's only because I need the income.
I have about another fourth in an insurance company annuity paying 5% and a Goldman Sachs bond paying 6.75%. And believe me, the only reason I have that too is because I need the income.

But the other half is in cash (paying an FDIC insured 1%) and that's where it will stay.

2seaoat



Bob,
You are going to be fine no matter what happens in the economy. You have liquidity, and you have a remarkable track record of living within your means......you would have to intentionally work on wasting your money to have any concerns before you are 90........so your concern is fun to listen to, but I see so many babyboomers who wish they were in your shoes.

Margin Call

Margin Call

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Well I am thinking about pulling most of my money out of the market and buying rental property...I think the market is unusually high and ready to pluck and I think real estate is a good place to make solid sustainable
(real) gains......but it's still a crap shoot.

It takes far more due diligence than the early aughts. For instance, places like Cordova Park in Pensacola seem awfully bubbly again.

2seaoat



I think if the immigration thing gets worked out the real estate market will see some movement as folks start moving into the starter market once they have legal status. As many as 15 million people could be coming into the market.

Yella

Yella

Bob wrote:I now have about one-fourth of my assets in dividend stocks. And believe me that's only because I need the income.
I have about another fourth in an insurance company annuity paying 5% and a Goldman Sachs bond paying 6.75%. And believe me, the only reason I have that too is because I need the income.

But the other half is in cash (paying an FDIC insured 1%) and that's where it will stay.

I have 5/16ths of my money in Martian Segway Tours and 2/5ths in an obscure company called Cloning Flying Pigs.

http://warpedinblue,blogspot.com/

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Bernie Madoff has been an excellent guide all this time and he told me to cash in my gold and send him the money. He has never steered me wrong.

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