The Cincinnatti Fox News tv affiliate report on the IRS scandal

2seaoat wrote:I doubt obama ordered it or even overtly approved the practice... but the irs is under the treasury dept under the wh.

Plausible deniability is getting old.

Plausible deniability is getting old.....and conversely what is even getting older is the idea that a CIA operation in Libya the President has direct control of every tactical deployment, that he is directly connected to every patrol which gets ambushed, that he is directly rewriting intelligence, and that he took a course on tax preparation and he is ordering tax audits...........When people attempt to connect the President to every action of this government, legitimate criticism gets lost in stupid..........really now which of the two is getting old?

PkrBum wrote:http://www.boston.com/business/personal-finance/taxes/2013/05/16/ouster-irs-official-isn-ending-investigations/KOUBnD2X9i564XsEvealUN/story.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama dismissed the idea of a special prosecutor to investigate the Internal Revenue Service Thursday, saying probes by Congress and the Justice Department should be able to figure out who was responsible for improperly targeting tea party groups when they applied for tax-exempt status.

Nekochan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I doubt obama ordered it or even overtly approved the practice... but the irs is under the treasury dept under the wh.

Plausible deniability is getting old.

Plausible deniability is getting old.....and conversely what is even getting older is the idea that a CIA operation in Libya the President has direct control of every tactical deployment, that he is directly connected to every patrol which gets ambushed, that he is directly rewriting intelligence, and that he took a course on tax preparation and he is ordering tax audits...........When people attempt to connect the President to every action of this government, legitimate criticism gets lost in stupid..........really now which of the two is getting old?

Well, if he gets all the credit for a Navy Seal rescue mission in Somalia, then I don't know why not.

PkrBum wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Some people are playing loose with historical connections between what President Nixon did concerning the IRS, and what has currently happened with the IRS.

First, right from the get go, President Nixon put people in the IRS whose mission was to go after the President's political enemies.

Second, there are legitimate questions on the function of the organization which requires IRS scrutiny. The Supreme Court has opened the flood gate, and there most certainly are organizations which have no historic track record to verify purpose and scope of the organization which will be red flagged.

Third, where is one scintilla of evidence that the president has any direct connection with this scandal? I have had to deal with incompetent IRS agents, and it is a nightmare. In the end the system works, and in my case I received my full refund and interest on the refund, and here we will need to let the investigation take its course, but comparing Obama to Nixon is silly and historically inaccurate at this time. If it is shown that he has personally been involved in such a scandal, the evidence will be clear. However, the reality is that there is no such thing, just a bunch of folks who hate the president trying to connect dots before there is evidence.

I doubt obama ordered it or even overtly approved the practice... but the irs is under the treasury dept under the wh.

Plausible deniability is getting old.

VectorMan wrote:

This and all these other scandals are going to be a problem for liberals come Nov 2014.[/b]

Red Kneckerson wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I doubt obama ordered it or even overtly approved the practice... but the irs is under the treasury dept under the wh.

Plausible deniability is getting old.

Plausible deniability is getting old.....and conversely what is even getting older is the idea that a CIA operation in Libya the President has direct control of every tactical deployment, that he is directly connected to every patrol which gets ambushed, that he is directly rewriting intelligence, and that he took a course on tax preparation and he is ordering tax audits...........When people attempt to connect the President to every action of this government, legitimate criticism gets lost in stupid..........really now which of the two is getting old?

Well, if he gets all the credit for a Navy Seal rescue mission in Somalia, then I don't know why not.

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Stop Sign Sally, the uglyist, meanest, hulking girl in the 5th grade playground parade of bullies, has now staked out her raison d'etre to drag into every thread no matter how irrelevant.

Troll on bitch.

Nekochan wrote:

Red Kneckerson wrote:

Nekochan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I doubt obama ordered it or even overtly approved the practice... but the irs is under the treasury dept under the wh.

Plausible deniability is getting old.

Plausible deniability is getting old.....and conversely what is even getting older is the idea that a CIA operation in Libya the President has direct control of every tactical deployment, that he is directly connected to every patrol which gets ambushed, that he is directly rewriting intelligence, and that he took a course on tax preparation and he is ordering tax audits...........When people attempt to connect the President to every action of this government, legitimate criticism gets lost in stupid..........really now which of the two is getting old?

Well, if he gets all the credit for a Navy Seal rescue mission in Somalia, then I don't know why not.

.................................

Stop Sign Sally, the uglyist, meanest, hulking girl in the 5th grade playground parade of bullies, has now staked out her raison d'etre to drag into every thread no matter how irrelevant.

Troll on bitch.

You poor thing. Are you bipolar?

Bob wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

This and all these other scandals are going to be a problem for liberals come Nov 2014.[/b]

Yea this will get the republicans back in there to start more and more useless worthless wars. To put the holy roller prayers back in the schools. To outlaw everything that aint the backwards and redneck horseshit they go along with.
And then when we've had a gut full of that, the fucking democrats will go in afterwards and take the country even further into the shithole.
It never ends.

VectorMan wrote:

Try to understand where I'm coming from, (Although, I think you already know). I'm a conservative. Cut and dried. It's how I was raised. One son of parents that met in Catholic High School. Taught to depend on myself. Be responsible for my actions. Know there are rules, laws and common sense. My dog tags listed me as a Catholic, but I'm just a man that believes in God.

People that believe in and/or support abortion are evil in their heart. How any human being can make any case to excuse that monster Kermit Gosnell are bad people. Bad people. Bad for the world. Claiming to be interested and concerned about the deaths of American soldiers in a war zone, but okay with a "doctor" severing children's spinal cords. It's just damn sick.

I will never back down from my beliefs, standards or values.

I'm very proud to be a conservative.

PkrBum wrote:I think that there is an old version of conservative much as there is an old version of liberal that have little in common with the progressive version of todays choices. I get Vman... he believes in self-determination. It's pretty simple really. Don't tread on me.

Bob wrote:

PkrBum wrote:I think that there is an old version of conservative much as there is an old version of liberal that have little in common with the progressive version of todays choices. I get Vman... he believes in self-determination. It's pretty simple really. Don't tread on me.

A "progressive conservative". lol

See that's why these labels are so meaningless. And why we would be better off by not trying to put labels on ourselves to begin with.

PkrBum wrote:

Progressive = govt solution

Are you telling me that you don't see the right trying to use the govt to enforce their subjective beliefs?

Bob wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

Progressive = govt solution

Are you telling me that you don't see the right trying to use the govt to enforce their subjective beliefs?

I'm telling you that at this moment in time (and I see nothing changing that) the two labels "conservative" and "progressive" are used to describe polar opposites. There is no such thing as a "progressive conservative" any more than there is a "liberal conservative". It would be an oxymoron.

PkrBum wrote:

You're wrong. You aren't looking at this from enough distance. If you are truly independent at this point... do you really see a difference in the results? How much further from obama's promises can we be except socialized medicine (which repubs first proposed). Pssst... there aren't really two parties. It's them against us.

Sal wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Who's surprised that FT and Sal support those IRS investigators? If those groups had "Progressive" in their names, I bet they'd be singing a different tune.

I said before and I will say again--everyone should be concerned about this. If it happened to conservative groups, it could happen to liberal groups.

Bullshit.

I don't think ANY political group should get tax-exempt status.

The problem wasn't that the IRS was flagging teabagger groups.

It's that it wasn't scrutinizing all political groups equally.

Or, more precisely, it wasn't giving the appearance of scrutinizing all political groups equally.

Does anyone really believe that teabagger groups are social welfare groups and that their primary purpose is not politics.

C'mon.

Regardless of party affiliation, no political group should get tax-exempt status.

Overturn Citizens United.

Sal wrote:
Nixon personally directed the IRS to investigate his enemies.

Nixon's IRS didn't admit any wrongdoing.

Nixon's IRS didn't apologize.

Thanks to Nixon, the Obama White House is not even permitted to communicate with the IRS regarding tax matters.

You need a remedial history lesson.

2seaoat wrote:Plausible deniability is getting old.....and conversely what is even getting older is the idea that a CIA operation in Libya the President has direct control of every tactical deployment, that he is directly connected to every patrol which gets ambushed, that he is directly rewriting intelligence, and that he took a course on tax preparation and he is ordering tax audits...........When people attempt to connect the President to every action of this government, legitimate criticism gets lost in stupid..........really now which of the two is getting old?