The American Dream is Dead; Long Live the New Dream

Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/16291-the-american-dream-is-dead-long-live-the-new-dream

"...The continuation of the economic crisis of 2008 up to the present has driven home a social trend that has been evident since the late 1970s, the decline of what is usually called "the middle class" and the accompanying American Dream.
The American Dream is the belief that if you work hard, if you are blessed with at least a modicum of ability and have a little luck, you can succeed. That is, you can rise in society no matter how humble your origin to something better in the way of material well-being, economic security, a settled life and social prestige. It is the dream of upward mobility for oneself, or at least for one's children.
As Richard Wolff has pointed out in Capitalism Hits the Fan: The Global Economic Meltdown and What to do About it, this upward mobility was a reality for most citizens of the United States for several generations, from 1820 to 1970. For 150 years, real wages rose. In the quarter century from 1947 to 1973, average real wages rose an astounding 75 percent. But that shared prosperity came to a halt in the mid '70s. In the next 25 years, from 1979 to 2005, wages and benefits rose less than 4 percent. The sustained rise in standards of living had been made possible by a conjunction of historical circumstances, circumstances that began to reach exhaustion by the mid 1970s..."

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You are right about the gated communities. Just look around at the huge investment in protection and community monitoring services for the benefit of the rich. We will be living in a hunger games type society for sure.

othershoe1030 wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You are right about the gated communities. Just look around at the huge investment in protection and community monitoring services for the benefit of the rich. We will be living in a hunger games type society for sure.

It looks that way but the question is why would even the PTB WANT it to be that way? It doesn't seem like a good situation for people on either side of the gate. I'm thinking about the kidnappings for ransom in other countries, things like that.

Maybe they just want to grind most families down to the point of desperation where they'll work for basically survival pay? Mission accomplished on that one.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You are right about the gated communities. Just look around at the huge investment in protection and community monitoring services for the benefit of the rich. We will be living in a hunger games type society for sure.

It looks that way but the question is why would even the PTB WANT it to be that way? It doesn't seem like a good situation for people on either side of the gate. I'm thinking about the kidnappings for ransom in other countries, things like that.

Maybe they just want to grind most families down to the point of desperation where they'll work for basically survival pay? Mission accomplished on that one.

Actually these Powers want much much more. They have all the money, now they want real power...life and death power over others.They want to purge their world of all the useless eaters and make for themselves a utopia of their own imagination where they can indulge in the basest forms of debauchery. They want to live as gods. They want to live in vast plantations in the country with servants waiting on them, worshiping them. The few people they allow to live will be crammed into walled cities where they are monitored, bred, used and euthanized when they become of no further use...

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Actually these Powers want much much more. They have all the money, now they want real power...life and death power over others.They want to purge their world of all the useless eaters and make for themselves a utopia of their own imagination where they can indulge in the basest forms of debauchery. They want to live as gods. They want to live in vast plantations in the country with servants waiting on them, worshiping them. The few people they allow to live will be crammed into walled cities where they are monitored, bred, used and euthanized when they become of no further use...

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You are right about the gated communities. Just look around at the huge investment in protection and community monitoring services for the benefit of the rich. We will be living in a hunger games type society for sure.

It looks that way but the question is why would even the PTB WANT it to be that way? It doesn't seem like a good situation for people on either side of the gate. I'm thinking about the kidnappings for ransom in other countries, things like that.

Maybe they just want to grind most families down to the point of desperation where they'll work for basically survival pay? Mission accomplished on that one.

Actually these Powers want much much more. They have all the money, now they want real power...life and death power over others.They want to purge their world of all the useless eaters and make for themselves a utopia of their own imagination where they can indulge in the basest forms of debauchery. They want to live as gods. They want to live in vast plantations in the country with servants waiting on them, worshiping them. The few people they allow to live will be crammed into walled cities where they are monitored, bred, used and euthanized when they become of no further use...

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You are right about the gated communities. Just look around at the huge investment in protection and community monitoring services for the benefit of the rich. We will be living in a hunger games type society for sure.

It looks that way but the question is why would even the PTB WANT it to be that way? It doesn't seem like a good situation for people on either side of the gate. I'm thinking about the kidnappings for ransom in other countries, things like that.

Maybe they just want to grind most families down to the point of desperation where they'll work for basically survival pay? Mission accomplished on that one.

Actually these Powers want much much more. They have all the money, now they want real power...life and death power over others.They want to purge their world of all the useless eaters and make for themselves a utopia of their own imagination where they can indulge in the basest forms of debauchery. They want to live as gods. They want to live in vast plantations in the country with servants waiting on them, worshiping them. The few people they allow to live will be crammed into walled cities where they are monitored, bred, used and euthanized when they become of no further use...

Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/16291-the-american-dream-is-dead-long-live-the-new-dream

"...The continuation of the economic crisis of 2008 up to the present has driven home a social trend that has been evident since the late 1970s, the decline of what is usually called "the middle class" and the accompanying American Dream.
The American Dream is the belief that if you work hard, if you are blessed with at least a modicum of ability and have a little luck, you can succeed. That is, you can rise in society no matter how humble your origin to something better in the way of material well-being, economic security, a settled life and social prestige. It is the dream of upward mobility for oneself, or at least for one's children.
As Richard Wolff has pointed out in Capitalism Hits the Fan: The Global Economic Meltdown and What to do About it, this upward mobility was a reality for most citizens of the United States for several generations, from 1820 to 1970. For 150 years, real wages rose. In the quarter century from 1947 to 1973, average real wages rose an astounding 75 percent. But that shared prosperity came to a halt in the mid '70s. In the next 25 years, from 1979 to 2005, wages and benefits rose less than 4 percent. The sustained rise in standards of living had been made possible by a conjunction of historical circumstances, circumstances that began to reach exhaustion by the mid 1970s..."

*Sage* wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/16291-the-american-dream-is-dead-long-live-the-new-dream

"...The continuation of the economic crisis of 2008 up to the present has driven home a social trend that has been evident since the late 1970s, the decline of what is usually called "the middle class" and the accompanying American Dream.
The American Dream is the belief that if you work hard, if you are blessed with at least a modicum of ability and have a little luck, you can succeed. That is, you can rise in society no matter how humble your origin to something better in the way of material well-being, economic security, a settled life and social prestige. It is the dream of upward mobility for oneself, or at least for one's children.
As Richard Wolff has pointed out in Capitalism Hits the Fan: The Global Economic Meltdown and What to do About it, this upward mobility was a reality for most citizens of the United States for several generations, from 1820 to 1970. For 150 years, real wages rose. In the quarter century from 1947 to 1973, average real wages rose an astounding 75 percent. But that shared prosperity came to a halt in the mid '70s. In the next 25 years, from 1979 to 2005, wages and benefits rose less than 4 percent. The sustained rise in standards of living had been made possible by a conjunction of historical circumstances, circumstances that began to reach exhaustion by the mid 1970s..."

This comparison is flawed. and it could only be bought by a full grown liberal fed sheep such as yourself.

it is obvious that production has certainly risen faster than wages, however that's due to technological advances. People don't actually make the widgets like they did way back, its low skilled workers now who push a button and the large or small robot/machine does all the smart stuff.

So even that you don't understand that premise. Id just like to say the title of this sucks. You have eaten full blown the death of America with joy.

You do not deserve to be an American.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:American exceptionalism is drawing to a close . We are just a big thug nation working for globalist bankers and corporate masters. It's like believing your Great Grandfather was a prison guard and was decorated as such and then finding out it was at Auschwitz.

othershoe1030 wrote:

*Sage* wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/16291-the-american-dream-is-dead-long-live-the-new-dream

"...The continuation of the economic crisis of 2008 up to the present has driven home a social trend that has been evident since the late 1970s, the decline of what is usually called "the middle class" and the accompanying American Dream.
The American Dream is the belief that if you work hard, if you are blessed with at least a modicum of ability and have a little luck, you can succeed. That is, you can rise in society no matter how humble your origin to something better in the way of material well-being, economic security, a settled life and social prestige. It is the dream of upward mobility for oneself, or at least for one's children.
As Richard Wolff has pointed out in Capitalism Hits the Fan: The Global Economic Meltdown and What to do About it, this upward mobility was a reality for most citizens of the United States for several generations, from 1820 to 1970. For 150 years, real wages rose. In the quarter century from 1947 to 1973, average real wages rose an astounding 75 percent. But that shared prosperity came to a halt in the mid '70s. In the next 25 years, from 1979 to 2005, wages and benefits rose less than 4 percent. The sustained rise in standards of living had been made possible by a conjunction of historical circumstances, circumstances that began to reach exhaustion by the mid 1970s..."

This comparison is flawed. and it could only be bought by a full grown liberal fed sheep such as yourself.

it is obvious that production has certainly risen faster than wages, however that's due to technological advances. People don't actually make the widgets like they did way back, its low skilled workers now who push a button and the large or small robot/machine does all the smart stuff.

So even that you don't understand that premise. Id just like to say the title of this sucks. You have eaten full blown the death of America with joy.

You do not deserve to be an American.

Whatever the reason for increased productivity be it more effective use of technology or just working harder the fact remains that productivity has gone up. This presumably means profits have risen too. This should mean the economy is overall becoming more healthy yet fewer people are reaping the benefits of all these improvements.

upward mobility was a reality for most citizens of the United States for several generations, from 1820 to 1970. For 150 years, real wages rose. In the quarter century from 1947 to 1973, average real wages rose an astounding 75 percent. But that shared prosperity came to a halt in the mid '70s. In the next 25 years, from 1979 to 2005, wages and benefits rose less than 4 percent.

True, the American Dream is not really dead because people will continue to hold on to it dearly whether or not it is as accessible as it once was, the belief in it will live on long after the reality dims.


There is no reason to assume any delight in these circumstances. Merely pointing out the reality of a situation is not the same as thinking it is great. Quite the contrary. Perhaps if this information were more widely understood we'd see some moves toward reversing the trend. I think it is very American to want to talk about real situations and real solutions as opposed to some fascist nightmare of a country where citizens are only allowed to say nice things.

*Sage* wrote:

You may recall a thread I did a while back on how technology is killing us. maybe not.

either way, it is a fact that productivity has gone up due to technology. But something else has happened because of this. People have become lazier and dumbed down on a massive scale.

You assume that once companies pay a mllion $ for a piece of equipment they should continue to pay the person pushing the button a higher salary because the machine is producing more. It doesn't work that way.

Okay, you make a reasonably valid general statement in this regard however I doubt that every or most increases in productivity are due solely to the wonders of million dollar machines. I'd think that over the last century or more that improvements in methods of production have created increased productivity and that the increase in profits have been passed along to the workers at a more generous rate than it is these days.

now, I realize you are tryng to change the flawed topic to a whole nother topic, you want this topic to be those damn rich people again. and that's fine if you want to gripe about rich people and their loop holes that neither party has fixed or would dare too. I mean really just recently your beloved obama went and changed the law behind peoples backs that made it easier for those in the captal to benefit from inside trading. so I really don't want to hear that your side is doing this for all the poor people. because the poor people are getting poorer and more reliant on the gov, just like they want.

Your comment in bold print there is just straight out of spin-central. It was not something Obama did all on his own behind peoples backs. It was done by the whole Congress by a voice vote in both houses.

Both parties were behind this 100%. There was a brief flurry of bi-partisan activity proving once again that most politicians are not concerned with what is best for the country but on the contrary they want what is best for them. Both houses of Congress passed the bill repealing certain requirements and Obama signed it into law.

There would be no point in not signing it since they obviously had a veto proof situation going on. To veto it would have just drawn more attention to it which neither side wanted. It was politics at its worst but don't blame it only on Obama. Then again, maybe you are referring to some other event? At any rate here is information about what I think you are talking about, or trying to talk about...

Keeping tabs of financial conflicts of interest on Capitol Hill just got more difficult. On Tuesday, President Obama signed a bill passed by Congress that would prevent financial disclosure forms filed by senior governmental employees from being posted online.

The bill passed both the House of Representative and the Senate on a voice vote. In a voice vote, now members of Congress's votes are not recorded. The Senate and House both cleared the legislation by unanimous consent, taking only ten seconds in the Senate and 14 seconds in the House of consideration to pass. The bill represents a major blow to government transparency, according to government watchdog groups.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/35781/stock-act-president-obama-signs-bill-that-would-kill-government-transparency-database

The American dream isn't dead btw, the American spirit is flailing about tho. Some people still get it, its just fewer people now.

othershoe1030 wrote:

*Sage* wrote:

You may recall a thread I did a while back on how technology is killing us. maybe not.

either way, it is a fact that productivity has gone up due to technology. But something else has happened because of this. People have become lazier and dumbed down on a massive scale.

You assume that once companies pay a mllion $ for a piece of equipment they should continue to pay the person pushing the button a higher salary because the machine is producing more. It doesn't work that way.

Okay, you make a reasonably valid general statement in this regard however I doubt that every or most increases in productivity are due solely to the wonders of million dollar machines. I'd think that over the last century or more that improvements in methods of production have created increased productivity and that the increase in profits have been passed along to the workers at a more generous rate than it is these days.

now, I realize you are tryng to change the flawed topic to a whole nother topic, you want this topic to be those damn rich people again. and that's fine if you want to gripe about rich people and their loop holes that neither party has fixed or would dare too. I mean really just recently your beloved obama went and changed the law behind peoples backs that made it easier for those in the captal to benefit from inside trading. so I really don't want to hear that your side is doing this for all the poor people. because the poor people are getting poorer and more reliant on the gov, just like they want.

Your comment in bold print there is just straight out of spin-central. It was not something Obama did all on his own behind peoples backs. It was done by the whole Congress by a voice vote in both houses.

Both parties were behind this 100%. There was a brief flurry of bi-partisan activity proving once again that most politicians are not concerned with what is best for the country but on the contrary they want what is best for them. Both houses of Congress passed the bill repealing certain requirements and Obama signed it into law.

There would be no point in not signing it since they obviously had a veto proof situation going on. To veto it would have just drawn more attention to it which neither side wanted. It was politics at its worst but don't blame it only on Obama. Then again, maybe you are referring to some other event? At any rate here is information about what I think you are talking about, or trying to talk about...

Keeping tabs of financial conflicts of interest on Capitol Hill just got more difficult. On Tuesday, President Obama signed a bill passed by Congress that would prevent financial disclosure forms filed by senior governmental employees from being posted online.

The bill passed both the House of Representative and the Senate on a voice vote. In a voice vote, now members of Congress's votes are not recorded. The Senate and House both cleared the legislation by unanimous consent, taking only ten seconds in the Senate and 14 seconds in the House of consideration to pass. The bill represents a major blow to government transparency, according to government watchdog groups.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/35781/stock-act-president-obama-signs-bill-that-would-kill-government-transparency-database

The American dream isn't dead btw, the American spirit is flailing about tho. Some people still get it, its just fewer people now.

The American Dream is being killed by multinational corporations who are running the country with the window dressing of an elected government. How many people understand that is up for debate.

*Sage* wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

*Sage* wrote:

You may recall a thread I did a while back on how technology is killing us. maybe not.

either way, it is a fact that productivity has gone up due to technology. But something else has happened because of this. People have become lazier and dumbed down on a massive scale.

You assume that once companies pay a mllion $ for a piece of equipment they should continue to pay the person pushing the button a higher salary because the machine is producing more. It doesn't work that way.

Okay, you make a reasonably valid general statement in this regard however I doubt that every or most increases in productivity are due solely to the wonders of million dollar machines. I'd think that over the last century or more that improvements in methods of production have created increased productivity and that the increase in profits have been passed along to the workers at a more generous rate than it is these days.

now, I realize you are tryng to change the flawed topic to a whole nother topic, you want this topic to be those damn rich people again. and that's fine if you want to gripe about rich people and their loop holes that neither party has fixed or would dare too. I mean really just recently your beloved obama went and changed the law behind peoples backs that made it easier for those in the captal to benefit from inside trading. so I really don't want to hear that your side is doing this for all the poor people. because the poor people are getting poorer and more reliant on the gov, just like they want.

Your comment in bold print there is just straight out of spin-central. It was not something Obama did all on his own behind peoples backs. It was done by the whole Congress by a voice vote in both houses.

Both parties were behind this 100%. There was a brief flurry of bi-partisan activity proving once again that most politicians are not concerned with what is best for the country but on the contrary they want what is best for them. Both houses of Congress passed the bill repealing certain requirements and Obama signed it into law.

There would be no point in not signing it since they obviously had a veto proof situation going on. To veto it would have just drawn more attention to it which neither side wanted. It was politics at its worst but don't blame it only on Obama. Then again, maybe you are referring to some other event? At any rate here is information about what I think you are talking about, or trying to talk about...

Keeping tabs of financial conflicts of interest on Capitol Hill just got more difficult. On Tuesday, President Obama signed a bill passed by Congress that would prevent financial disclosure forms filed by senior governmental employees from being posted online.

The bill passed both the House of Representative and the Senate on a voice vote. In a voice vote, now members of Congress's votes are not recorded. The Senate and House both cleared the legislation by unanimous consent, taking only ten seconds in the Senate and 14 seconds in the House of consideration to pass. The bill represents a major blow to government transparency, according to government watchdog groups.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/35781/stock-act-president-obama-signs-bill-that-would-kill-government-transparency-database

The American dream isn't dead btw, the American spirit is flailing about tho. Some people still get it, its just fewer people now.

The American Dream is being killed by multinational corporations who are running the country with the window dressing of an elected government. How many people understand that is up for debate.

Thank you for being reasonable. I do find you reasonable many times. That's my daily compliment. enjoy.

anyway, seems we have the fable about production/wages wrapped up. Unintended consequences of the modern age.

I will agree with you on the problem with these multinational corporations. I had hoped there would be some kind of campaign finance reform and something done about all this lobbying. And as far as what I said about that law that passed that made it easier for the people at the white house to benefit from inside trading, I did say it was all of them. but its this administration that has to take responsibility for those actions. That is a good publicity for obama to have taken to stop that, so cant use that. They all want to get rich off us while we eat dirt. and this was passed in the dark of the night, hidden by a disaster if I recall correctly.

*Sage* wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

*Sage* wrote:

You may recall a thread I did a while back on how technology is killing us. maybe not.

either way, it is a fact that productivity has gone up due to technology. But something else has happened because of this. People have become lazier and dumbed down on a massive scale.

You assume that once companies pay a mllion $ for a piece of equipment they should continue to pay the person pushing the button a higher salary because the machine is producing more. It doesn't work that way.

Okay, you make a reasonably valid general statement in this regard however I doubt that every or most increases in productivity are due solely to the wonders of million dollar machines. I'd think that over the last century or more that improvements in methods of production have created increased productivity and that the increase in profits have been passed along to the workers at a more generous rate than it is these days.

now, I realize you are tryng to change the flawed topic to a whole nother topic, you want this topic to be those damn rich people again. and that's fine if you want to gripe about rich people and their loop holes that neither party has fixed or would dare too. I mean really just recently your beloved obama went and changed the law behind peoples backs that made it easier for those in the captal to benefit from inside trading. so I really don't want to hear that your side is doing this for all the poor people. because the poor people are getting poorer and more reliant on the gov, just like they want.

Your comment in bold print there is just straight out of spin-central. It was not something Obama did all on his own behind peoples backs. It was done by the whole Congress by a voice vote in both houses.

Both parties were behind this 100%. There was a brief flurry of bi-partisan activity proving once again that most politicians are not concerned with what is best for the country but on the contrary they want what is best for them. Both houses of Congress passed the bill repealing certain requirements and Obama signed it into law.

There would be no point in not signing it since they obviously had a veto proof situation going on. To veto it would have just drawn more attention to it which neither side wanted. It was politics at its worst but don't blame it only on Obama. Then again, maybe you are referring to some other event? At any rate here is information about what I think you are talking about, or trying to talk about...

Keeping tabs of financial conflicts of interest on Capitol Hill just got more difficult. On Tuesday, President Obama signed a bill passed by Congress that would prevent financial disclosure forms filed by senior governmental employees from being posted online.

The bill passed both the House of Representative and the Senate on a voice vote. In a voice vote, now members of Congress's votes are not recorded. The Senate and House both cleared the legislation by unanimous consent, taking only ten seconds in the Senate and 14 seconds in the House of consideration to pass. The bill represents a major blow to government transparency, according to government watchdog groups.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/35781/stock-act-president-obama-signs-bill-that-would-kill-government-transparency-database

The American dream isn't dead btw, the American spirit is flailing about tho. Some people still get it, its just fewer people now.

The American Dream is being killed by multinational corporations who are running the country with the window dressing of an elected government. How many people understand that is up for debate.

Thank you for being reasonable. I do find you reasonable many times. That's my daily compliment. enjoy.

anyway, seems we have the fable about production/wages wrapped up. Unintended consequences of the modern age.

I will agree with you on the problem with these multinational corporations. I had hoped there would be some kind of campaign finance reform and something done about all this lobbying. And as far as what I said about that law that passed that made it easier for the people at the white house to benefit from inside trading, I did say it was all of them. but its this administration that has to take responsibility for those actions. That is a good publicity for obama to have taken to stop that, so cant use that. They all want to get rich off us while we eat dirt. and this was passed in the dark of the night, hidden by a disaster if I recall correctly.

othershoe1030 wrote:

*Sage* wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

*Sage* wrote:

You may recall a thread I did a while back on how technology is killing us. maybe not.

either way, it is a fact that productivity has gone up due to technology. But something else has happened because of this. People have become lazier and dumbed down on a massive scale.

You assume that once companies pay a mllion $ for a piece of equipment they should continue to pay the person pushing the button a higher salary because the machine is producing more. It doesn't work that way.

Okay, you make a reasonably valid general statement in this regard however I doubt that every or most increases in productivity are due solely to the wonders of million dollar machines. I'd think that over the last century or more that improvements in methods of production have created increased productivity and that the increase in profits have been passed along to the workers at a more generous rate than it is these days.

now, I realize you are tryng to change the flawed topic to a whole nother topic, you want this topic to be those damn rich people again. and that's fine if you want to gripe about rich people and their loop holes that neither party has fixed or would dare too. I mean really just recently your beloved obama went and changed the law behind peoples backs that made it easier for those in the captal to benefit from inside trading. so I really don't want to hear that your side is doing this for all the poor people. because the poor people are getting poorer and more reliant on the gov, just like they want.

Your comment in bold print there is just straight out of spin-central. It was not something Obama did all on his own behind peoples backs. It was done by the whole Congress by a voice vote in both houses.

Both parties were behind this 100%. There was a brief flurry of bi-partisan activity proving once again that most politicians are not concerned with what is best for the country but on the contrary they want what is best for them. Both houses of Congress passed the bill repealing certain requirements and Obama signed it into law.

There would be no point in not signing it since they obviously had a veto proof situation going on. To veto it would have just drawn more attention to it which neither side wanted. It was politics at its worst but don't blame it only on Obama. Then again, maybe you are referring to some other event? At any rate here is information about what I think you are talking about, or trying to talk about...

Keeping tabs of financial conflicts of interest on Capitol Hill just got more difficult. On Tuesday, President Obama signed a bill passed by Congress that would prevent financial disclosure forms filed by senior governmental employees from being posted online.

The bill passed both the House of Representative and the Senate on a voice vote. In a voice vote, now members of Congress's votes are not recorded. The Senate and House both cleared the legislation by unanimous consent, taking only ten seconds in the Senate and 14 seconds in the House of consideration to pass. The bill represents a major blow to government transparency, according to government watchdog groups.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/35781/stock-act-president-obama-signs-bill-that-would-kill-government-transparency-database

The American dream isn't dead btw, the American spirit is flailing about tho. Some people still get it, its just fewer people now.

The American Dream is being killed by multinational corporations who are running the country with the window dressing of an elected government. How many people understand that is up for debate.

Thank you for being reasonable. I do find you reasonable many times. That's my daily compliment. enjoy.

anyway, seems we have the fable about production/wages wrapped up. Unintended consequences of the modern age.

I will agree with you on the problem with these multinational corporations. I had hoped there would be some kind of campaign finance reform and something done about all this lobbying. And as far as what I said about that law that passed that made it easier for the people at the white house to benefit from inside trading, I did say it was all of them. but its this administration that has to take responsibility for those actions. That is a good publicity for obama to have taken to stop that, so cant use that. They all want to get rich off us while we eat dirt. and this was passed in the dark of the night, hidden by a disaster if I recall correctly.

Help me understand your thoughts about why the middle class is shrinking and not getting a share in the increase in productivity. In one instance you say it is because Americans are getting lazier and more stupid and in another the cause seems to be the international corporations that are to blame. In some cases both elements may be contributing factors but it seems to me that the blame should go to the globalization of labor, the corporations. What are your thoughts? Here are your previous comments:


People have become lazier and dumbed down on a massive scale.

I will agree with you on the problem with these multinational corporations.

They all want to get rich off us while we eat dirt.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Actually these Powers want much much more. They have all the money, now they want real power...life and death power over others.They want to purge their world of all the useless eaters and make for themselves a utopia of their own imagination where they can indulge in the basest forms of debauchery. They want to live as gods. They want to live in vast plantations in the country with servants waiting on them, worshiping them. The few people they allow to live will be crammed into walled cities where they are monitored, bred, used and euthanized when they become of no further use...